Is this Irish law?

Graces7 · 28-07-2019 03:55PM

And the judge was pleased

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-man-sent-home-from-court-for-wearing-shorts-returns-with-suit-and-decorative-handkerchief-939687.html

kowloon · 28-07-2019 04:11PM

28-07-2019 04:44PM

If you go for a job interview you make sure to look appropriately professional. If you're going to a church, you avoid wearing swimwear. If you're out in the middle of the day, don't wear a onesie. If you're working in a conservative environment, don't wear jeans and a band t-shirt. If I'm going to court, I wouldn't wear shorts or tracksuits or have the boobs out like the lady above.

Wearing clothes (and I include Ms Bustys outfit above as well as tracksuits) that show you don't consider showing up in court to be a serious enough event to dress conservatively for the conservative environment that it is, is probably a bad idea and is a bit like thumbing your nose to the seriousness of the environment.

There are appropriate ways to dress in certain circumstances and that's just the way life is, and why getting on a plane in Speedo would be noted, or showing up to a wedding in wellingtons and overalls would probably see you left out of the photos.

biko · 28-07-2019 05:50PM

What's with the click bait OP? Why not add a little of content in the post?

Marhay70 · 28-07-2019 06:22PM

The classic "he has problems with alcohol" card played yet again in an Irish court. When is stuffing yourself full of mind altering drugs going to become unacceptable as an excuse for criminal behaviour in Ireland.

Spanish Eyes · 28-07-2019 06:28PM

Judge is right, it's probably the only time the defendant has been told what to do in his life.

It is all drug related. No room to lock them up, we are doomed I tell ya.

Glass fused light · 29-07-2019 05:05PM

Marhay70 wrote: »

Is there a dress code for a court appearance, can't say I've ever heard of one apart from offending public decency?

The 'Court' is the State representing the "People" (us) when applying the rules we all are bound by.

Which is why showing up with a French connection t-shirt is a big no-no in most courts, same goes for other types of outfit. It could be that judge has a dislike of a particular type of outfit, but could just be that he/she has been sitting all day listing to all kinds of BS and draws the line at the outfit as an indication of the attitued the defendant will project.

The Tetrarch · 29-07-2019 06:11PM

https://www.megafancydress.co.uk/mens-jail-break-prisoner-fancy-dress-costume.html

trashcan · 29-07-2019 06:23PM

kowloon wrote: »

"You were serious about that ?"

Rows Grower · 29-07-2019 09:07PM

biko wrote: »

What's with the click bait OP? Why not add a little of content in the post?

What are you on about biko?

Rows Grower · 30-07-2019 11:08PM

Autecher wrote: »

She got a female judge that day who is due to sentence that woman this Tuesday. I wonder what she will wear for her 2nd appearance?

Though to be fair if it was me I would have reacted like this

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/cjsli6/absolute_pillar_of_the_community/

the beer revolu · 31-07-2019 11:55AM

People can go on all they like about respect and appropriate attire but there is either a legally enforceable dress code in courts or there isn't.
Assuming that there isn't, that judge has no business imposing his own personal views on attire on the court.
Should he refuse to hear women wearing trousers?
People not wearing a tie?
Where does it end?

Pompous ass.

Potential-Monke · 31-07-2019 01:34PM

It's 'his' court, so yeah, he makes the rules. I don't think turning up in a tracksuit is correct either, but 99 times when someone turns up in a tracksuit it's because they're a repeat offender, don't care, or are being sent to prison anyway, in my experience.

the beer revolu · 31-07-2019 01:46PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's 'his' court, so yeah, he makes the rules.

I'm not sure that this is correct at all.
Surely, of all things, a court must operate within the law.

Potential-Monke · 31-07-2019 01:53PM

Correct, it must, but if the judge wants you to leave, really for whatever reason he wants, you have to leave. He is the boss, the Gardaí will jump to his orders (as long as they are legal). While there's no specific legislation covering the wearing of clothes, if the judge doesn't like what you're wearing, he can ask you to leave and hold you in contempt if you don't.

Allinall · 31-07-2019 02:19PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Correct, it must, but if the judge wants you to leave, really for whatever reason he wants, you have to leave. He is the boss, the Gardaí will jump to his orders (as long as they are legal). While there's no specific legislation covering the wearing of clothes, if the judge doesn't like what you're wearing, he can ask you to leave and hold you in contempt if you don't.

And rightly so.

El Tarangu · 31-07-2019 02:31PM

From the article:

As he was being escorted off the bus he shouted at one guard that he was a “a f***ing pr***.”

... O’Mahony of 28 Whitehorn, Douglas, Cork, had six previous threatening behaviour convictions and nine for being drunk and a danger.

Tbh, I have no problem with a judge ordering this little guttersnipe around

the beer revolu · 31-07-2019 04:46PM

Allinall wrote: »

And rightly so.

Why?
Why should the personal opinions of a person on attire hold sway in a court of law?

Potential-Monke · 31-07-2019 04:53PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

Why?
Why should the personal opinions of a person on attire hold sway in a court of law?

It's their court. They are presiding, they're in charge. Simple as that. It's like a manager kicking you out of a nightclub, there's no specific legislation behind it, but dems da rules!

the beer revolu · 31-07-2019 05:02PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's their court. They are presiding, they're in charge. Simple as that. It's like a manager kicking you out of a nightclub, there's no specific legislation behind it, but dems da rules!

A nightclub is private property.
A court is a function of the state and a judge is a public servant.
I ask again, where does it stop if the judge rules beyond the law?
There have been paedophile judges, tax evading judges, incompetent judges and generally bonkers judges.
Where does it stop if they can make up rules outside of the law?

Potential-Monke · 31-07-2019 05:33PM

I can't answer that, i'm not a Judge. Bottom line, in court what the judge says goes. If he tries to do something illegal, the presenting Inspector/Super/Chief will advise of it. Other than that, his word is gospel in there. I don't know how I can explain this any further tbh.

Glass fused light · 01-08-2019 10:04AM

the beer revolu wrote: »

A nightclub is private property.
A court is a function of the state and a judge is a public servant.
I ask again, where does it stop if the judge rules beyond the law?
There have been paedophile judges, tax evading judges, incompetent judges and generally bonkers judges.
Where does it stop if they can make up rules outside of the law?

It's appealed to the high court
The high court looks at the instructions and the substance of case and then the Supreme court at the law and the the EU can be used too

Its based on natural justice that each individual is entitled to a fair hearing.
But the convers of that is that the individual acts in a fair way to the listener.

Take " free men of the land "

30 cases up before the judge and that's minimum of 60 people plus the judge in the room.

The first case is a freeman "joe blogs" and is prepared to argue the law and the sea and whatever.

The prosecution start with what the charges are

And the other side said the person appearing before the court is not the person named but is the agent of the person named and is appearing on the named person behalf.

Now you are second on the list would you prefer the judge starts to discuss if Joe Blogs is Joe Blogs when it comes to a parking fine?
Or would you want the judge to say hold on come back next week when there only Joe Bolggs in his multiple forms can turn up?

Graces7 · 01-08-2019 10:26AM

Allinall wrote: »

And rightly so.

it is the reason for the state of dress also; clearly making a statement that he had no respect for the law or the court .

weldoninhio · 01-08-2019 10:52AM

corks finest wrote: »

Same way judges disrespect PPL trying to stay in their houses - aiding their barrister buddies representing the banks that destroyed our country?

If someone owns their house, what have the banks got to do with anything?? :rolleyes:

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 01:03PM

judge is wrong

When I was a court clerk a judge put someone in detention in the cells for 3 hours for opening a bottle of minerals, another judge held a person for 1 hour for having a newspaper in court.

judges are mental

the culture of deference · 01-08-2019 01:16PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

judge is wrong

another judge held a person for 1 hour for having a newspaper in court.

judges are mental

sorry, he had rattled the newspaper in court,

it would have sounded insane if he just had a newspaper

Potential-Monke · 01-08-2019 01:29PM

The way I look at it, the Judge needs to hear literally everything so if there's people making noise, be it talking, eating or rustling a newspaper, I think the Judge is right to reprimand them. It's a court of law, not somewhere to hang out. If you want to hang out, hang out outside the court room until you're called. Not rocket science. And pure ignorance to bring a newspaper to court and read it.

the culture of deference · 03-08-2019 03:19PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

The way I look at it, the Judge needs to hear literally everything so if there's people making noise, be it talking, eating or rustling a newspaper, I think the Judge is right to reprimand them. It's a court of law, not somewhere to hang out. If you want to hang out, hang out outside the court room until you're called. Not rocket science. And pure ignorance to bring a newspaper to court and read it.

He wasn't reading it, he rattled it while moving.

tuxy · 03-08-2019 04:22PM

This is the correct way to dress for court since she got the full sentence suspended!
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-caught-trying-to-sell-90000-of-stolen-gold-jewellery-avoids-jail-sentence-38359141.html

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Is this Irish law?

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