Is this Irish law?

Rows Grower

I'm all about respect for the court of law and the concept of common manners, I'm a bit confused about this case.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/angry-judge-tells-cork-man-wearing-shorts-in-court-to-come-back-with-long-trousers-939216.html

Is the Judge right in his ruling?

Subcomandante Marcos

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'm all about respect for the court of law and the concept of common manners, I'm a bit confused about this case.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/angry-judge-tells-cork-man-wearing-shorts-in-court-to-come-back-with-long-trousers-939216.html

Is the Judge right in his ruling?

Judge being an eejit. You'd want to see the absolute filth of some of the robes and wigs barristers wear in court rooms, but somehow someone wearing shorts on a hot day is out of line.

mad muffin

I suppose it shows lack of respect for the court.

Leg End Reject

I've seen pictures of skangers in tracksuits being escorted into court, so not sure.

Judges tend to be conservative and pompous so maybe it was that?

jaxxx

"Man who stood over injured woman (64) while masturbating and laughing given suspended sentence"

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-injured-woman-masturbating-suspended-sentence-4739222-Jul2019/

Where is the f*cking justice in this country................ The Irish judiciary are an absolute joke!!! THAT'S Irish law for ya!

SUSPENDED SENTENCES ARE A DISGRACE AND SHOULD BE OUTLAWED!

Rows Grower

jaxxx wrote: »

"Man who stood over injured woman (64) while masturbating and laughing given suspended sentence"

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-injured-woman-masturbating-suspended-sentence-4739222-Jul2019/

Where is the f*cking justice in this country................ The Irish judiciary are an absolute joke!!! THAT'S Irish law for ya!

SUSPENDED SENTENCES ARE A DISGRACE AND SHOULD BE OUTLAWED!

Could be just me but you seem to have gotten side tracked.

Is that a "Yay" or "Nay" jaxxx?

branie2

You have to look respectable if you're going to court.

jaxxx

Rows Grower wrote: »

Could be just me but you seem to have gotten side tracked.

Is that a "Yay" or "Nay" jaxxx?

Your Face

Double pay for the judges mates.

Ultimate Seduction

branie2 wrote: »

You have to look respectable if you're going to court.

Why?

Ultimate Seduction

mad muffin wrote: »

I suppose it shows lack of respect for the court.

How? Who is "the court" ?

Autecher

It's nonsense really of course. As has been said, spend a day in the four courts and you'll see an endless stream of skangers going in and out for their court appearances dressed in tracksuits and nothing is said. This particular scumbag broke a Gardai's nose and turned up to court in his best sweat pants and t-shirt combination and there is no report of the judge remarking on it at all.

Edgware

We alwas had oddballs of District Judges. Frank Hall made a habit of reading out the various court reports in the provincial papers detailing accounts of cases and highlihting the Judges eccentricities.

Rows Grower

https://cdn-03.independent.ie/incoming/article38115262.ece/92c71/AUTOCROP/w620/EEN%20KIELY%20390428699.jpg

I wonder how the learned judge would have reacted if he was hearing this lady's case?

Autecher

Rows Grower wrote: »

https://cdn-03.independent.ie/incoming/article38115262.ece/92c71/AUTOCROP/w620/EEN%20KIELY%20390428699.jpg

I wonder how the learned judge would have reacted if he was hearing this lady's case?

She got a female judge that day who is due to sentence that woman this Tuesday. I wonder what she will wear for her 2nd appearance?

Though to be fair if it was me I would have reacted like this

Mad_maxx

Edgware wrote: »

We alwas had oddballs of District Judges. Frank Hall made a habit of reading out the various court reports in the provincial papers detailing accounts of cases and highlihting the Judges eccentricities.

Had the misfortune back in the day to find myself before a particular district court judge in the border area.

Waste of time having a solicitor as he just believed every lie spouted by the guard providing account details and would not let either myself or my solicitor get a word in.

Same nutter made the headlines a year later for saying he would " blow the head off anyone who trespassed on his property" while dealing with a breaking and entering case.

Good FF councellor from donegal who owed his position on the bench to a particular FF past minister who after loading up on liquor, liked to drive down motorways in the wrong direction.

All judges owe their gig to political appointments.

Edgware

Another spacer of a Judge in Dublin looked very favourably on pretty litle things with a extra button or two on the blouse open.

Rows Grower

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-man-sent-home-from-court-for-wearing-shorts-returns-with-suit-and-decorative-handkerchief-939687.html

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

How? Who is "the court" ?

A court is any person or institution with authority to judge or adjudicate, often as a government institution, with the authority to adjudicate legal disputes between parties and carry out the administration of justice in civil, criminal, and administrative matters in accordance with the rule of law.

Atlantic Dawn

Judges shouldn't be wearing clobber brought in from when this country was occupied.

moonage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q80ElML7KGk

DEFTLEFTHAND

Many of the lower class types up for minor offences in the District Court show up PJs and the likes.

Anybody with a bit of breeding and class would obviously turn out well.


It's adviable to suit and boot as a Defendent but I don't think that wearing causal atire can be taken as Contempt of Court.

Glass fused light

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Judges shouldn't be wearing clobber brought in from when this country was occupied.

don't know about mr trackie or ms nice blouse, but most of us would draw the line at having to appear in court in only our birthday suits.;)

imme

Autecher wrote: »

It's nonsense really of course. As has been said, spend a day in the four courts and you'll see an endless stream of skangers going in and out for their court appearances dressed in tracksuits and nothing is said. This particular scumbag broke a Gardai's nose and turned up to court in his best sweat pants and t-shirt combination and there is no report of the judge remarking on it at all.

Wouldn't mind seeing this without his leisure wear.
There are some hot scumbags out there!

Judge in the shorts case was absolutely right.
It is love island season but shorts are not appropriate for court.
The shorts guy recognised this by turning up in court on Friday in navy suit and decorative handkerchief, as described by Irish examiner newspaper.

corks finest

mad muffin wrote:

I suppose it shows lack of respect for the court.

Same way judges disrespect PPL trying to stay in their houses - aiding their barrister buddies representing the banks that destroyed our country?

Allinall

corks finest wrote: »

Same way judges disrespect PPL trying to stay in their houses - aiding their barrister buddies representing the banks that destroyed our country?

That’s just the judges applying the law, which is their job.

Oh, and people aren’t trying to stay in “their” house.

If they paid their mortgage they wouldn’t be in court.

imme

imme wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing this without his leisure wear.
There are some hot scumbags out there!

Isn't there some death row convict somewhere you could propose marriage to ?

Irish Guitarist

What happens if he wears shorts the next time? Will the judge keep turning him away?

Glass fused light

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What happens if he wears shorts the next time? Will the judge keep turning him away?

Can do.

but in theory the judge could hold the person in contempt, as in lock him up for a period of time. The decision on if the person is given a fair process or not rests with the high court and supreme court if it's a point of law.
So if on the 3/4 time the same dress was presented he would end up spending a few days in jail before it went to the high court.

the beer revolu

That judge is a self important, pompous embarrassment to the judiciary.

The lack of respect for judges in society is caused by crazy lenient sentencing, crazy big payouts and this kind of knobology!

Marhay70

Is there a dress code for a court appearance, can't say I've ever heard of one apart from offending public decency?

Graces7

And the judge was pleased

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-man-sent-home-from-court-for-wearing-shorts-returns-with-suit-and-decorative-handkerchief-939687.html

kowloon

If you go for a job interview you make sure to look appropriately professional. If you're going to a church, you avoid wearing swimwear. If you're out in the middle of the day, don't wear a onesie. If you're working in a conservative environment, don't wear jeans and a band t-shirt. If I'm going to court, I wouldn't wear shorts or tracksuits or have the boobs out like the lady above.

Wearing clothes (and I include Ms Bustys outfit above as well as tracksuits) that show you don't consider showing up in court to be a serious enough event to dress conservatively for the conservative environment that it is, is probably a bad idea and is a bit like thumbing your nose to the seriousness of the environment.

There are appropriate ways to dress in certain circumstances and that's just the way life is, and why getting on a plane in Speedo would be noted, or showing up to a wedding in wellingtons and overalls would probably see you left out of the photos.

biko

What's with the click bait OP? Why not add a little of content in the post?

Marhay70

The classic "he has problems with alcohol" card played yet again in an Irish court. When is stuffing yourself full of mind altering drugs going to become unacceptable as an excuse for criminal behaviour in Ireland.

Spanish Eyes

Judge is right, it's probably the only time the defendant has been told what to do in his life.

It is all drug related. No room to lock them up, we are doomed I tell ya.

Glass fused light

Marhay70 wrote: »

Is there a dress code for a court appearance, can't say I've ever heard of one apart from offending public decency?

The 'Court' is the State representing the "People" (us) when applying the rules we all are bound by.

Which is why showing up with a French connection t-shirt is a big no-no in most courts, same goes for other types of outfit. It could be that judge has a dislike of a particular type of outfit, but could just be that he/she has been sitting all day listing to all kinds of BS and draws the line at the outfit as an indication of the attitued the defendant will project.

The Tetrarch

https://www.megafancydress.co.uk/mens-jail-break-prisoner-fancy-dress-costume.html

trashcan

kowloon wrote: »

"You were serious about that ?"

Rows Grower

biko wrote: »

What's with the click bait OP? Why not add a little of content in the post?

What are you on about biko?

Rows Grower

Autecher wrote: »

She got a female judge that day who is due to sentence that woman this Tuesday. I wonder what she will wear for her 2nd appearance?

Though to be fair if it was me I would have reacted like this

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/cjsli6/absolute_pillar_of_the_community/

the beer revolu

People can go on all they like about respect and appropriate attire but there is either a legally enforceable dress code in courts or there isn't.
Assuming that there isn't, that judge has no business imposing his own personal views on attire on the court.
Should he refuse to hear women wearing trousers?
People not wearing a tie?
Where does it end?

Pompous ass.

Potential-Monke

It's 'his' court, so yeah, he makes the rules. I don't think turning up in a tracksuit is correct either, but 99 times when someone turns up in a tracksuit it's because they're a repeat offender, don't care, or are being sent to prison anyway, in my experience.

the beer revolu

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's 'his' court, so yeah, he makes the rules.

I'm not sure that this is correct at all.
Surely, of all things, a court must operate within the law.

Potential-Monke

Correct, it must, but if the judge wants you to leave, really for whatever reason he wants, you have to leave. He is the boss, the Gardaí will jump to his orders (as long as they are legal). While there's no specific legislation covering the wearing of clothes, if the judge doesn't like what you're wearing, he can ask you to leave and hold you in contempt if you don't.

Allinall

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Correct, it must, but if the judge wants you to leave, really for whatever reason he wants, you have to leave. He is the boss, the Gardaí will jump to his orders (as long as they are legal). While there's no specific legislation covering the wearing of clothes, if the judge doesn't like what you're wearing, he can ask you to leave and hold you in contempt if you don't.

And rightly so.

El Tarangu

From the article:

As he was being escorted off the bus he shouted at one guard that he was a “a f***ing pr***.”

... O’Mahony of 28 Whitehorn, Douglas, Cork, had six previous threatening behaviour convictions and nine for being drunk and a danger.

Tbh, I have no problem with a judge ordering this little guttersnipe around

the beer revolu

Allinall wrote: »

And rightly so.

Why?
Why should the personal opinions of a person on attire hold sway in a court of law?

Potential-Monke

the beer revolu wrote: »

Why?
Why should the personal opinions of a person on attire hold sway in a court of law?

It's their court. They are presiding, they're in charge. Simple as that. It's like a manager kicking you out of a nightclub, there's no specific legislation behind it, but dems da rules!

the beer revolu

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's their court. They are presiding, they're in charge. Simple as that. It's like a manager kicking you out of a nightclub, there's no specific legislation behind it, but dems da rules!

A nightclub is private property.
A court is a function of the state and a judge is a public servant.
I ask again, where does it stop if the judge rules beyond the law?
There have been paedophile judges, tax evading judges, incompetent judges and generally bonkers judges.
Where does it stop if they can make up rules outside of the law?