Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Enzokk wrote: »

So the plan is to leave with no-deal and then to wait for the damage to hit European countries and for those countries to pressure the EU to make a deal with the UK. I see one flaw in that plan, what will happen in the UK at the same time? Does it not occur to anyone that they will suffer more in the same time and will be even more desperate to make a deal?

I dunno, maybe they are so wrapped up with the delusion that the USA will swoop in on Nov 1st with a massive trade deal and solve all their problems while silly Johnny-foreigner stews and seethes with his unsold goods *guffaw*

But I highly doubt the the current shower in the White House have good intentions behind egging Britain on with Brexit.

reslfj wrote: »

The non-renegotiation of the WA is not a Dublin decision but an all EU27 decision. It is deep down all EU27 members protection of the entire SM which is the star of the EU.

Ireland will have much support from the other EU27 members for genuine Irish interests. But expect very little EU willingness to follow requests from a bullied or scared Ireland. Ireland just doesn't call the shots itself.


Lars

I really dont know either what their hope for "turning" Ireland to their side would be? We would rush to Brussels to fight and plead for a good deal for Britain? Or do they believe their own BS and think we would "Irexit" shortly after they do to save our economy (seeing as Farage was over here trying to stir that crock of bull months ago)

lawred2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/1156650410129723392?s=19

Behold the greatest speech of our time

This stuff is just beyond awful. The teleprompted face changes are hilarious.

"This is a disgrace"

God help us if this is what they've put their faith in...

Perhaps she should be asking why Britain is importing things such as fruit. It would never even occur to her that fruit grown in a warmer climate would be superior to the British variety.

God, if this kind of rhetoric is bad now...we have around 90 days left of it.

Again, I live in Canada, so I can't read the reaction in general to Brexit in Ireland, but I hope to Christ that we stick true to this. This mess is Britains and theirs alone.

If there is a poll in Northern Ireland (and who knows, there might) there will be three options;
-Stay in the UK (outside the EU)
-Merge with ROI (inside the EU)
-Cede from the UK and become an independent country (and vote later on applying for EU membership)

I know which would win.

Mefistofelino wrote: »

Arnold has previous form in this field . A decade ago he was a one-man hallelujah chorus for Declan Hanley and Libertas - another group on the "anti-democratic Brussels" bandwagon.

I'm surprised Ganley hasn't surfaced yet. Is he still living here?

First Up wrote: »

If there is a poll in Northern Ireland (and who knows, there might) there will be three two options;
-Stay in the UK (outside the EU)
-Merge with ROI (inside the EU)
-Cede from the UK and become an independent country (and vote later on applying for EU membership)

I know which would win.

FYP.

The North only has 2 options as laid out by the GFA.

Independence isn't ever going to be an option and is the wet dream for a few unhinged Ulster Nationalists.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A few partitionists beginning to talk about an Ind NI too.

That may be, but the GFA spells out 2 options: continue the Union with Britain or a United Ireland.

First Up wrote: »

If there is a poll in Northern Ireland (and who knows, there might) there will be three options;
-Stay in the UK (outside the EU)
-Merge with ROI (inside the EU)
-Cede from the UK and become an independent country (and vote later on applying for EU membership)

I know which would win.

There will be two options, Stay in the UK or Unification with Ireland, and I don't know which will win.

There is no basis for a question on an independant NI and no support for it anyway.

Jonathan Powell, former adviser to Tony Blair, did a great job on Newsnight spelling out the challenges facing NI and the only possible ways out of the mess. A breath of fresh air.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Jonathan Powell, former adviser to Tony Blair, did a great job on Newsnight spelling out the challenges facing NI and the only possible ways out of the mess. A breath of fresh air.

Emily Mathlis is very good but you could see how she was really struggling with the 'identity' point.
Maybe classes for the British on this might be no harm...'Karen Bradley sit at the front!'

You mean, like the EU Referendum?

eagle eye wrote: »

There should be a vote on whether to stay or leave only.
Then if leave is the option there should be another one as to what's next.

In order for that to happen you need to rip up the GFA and then get all political parties north and South to negotiate with a venal Tory government.

And I have no idea why any Nationalists would want to go down that road.

Your lack of understanding of the politics of these islands is truly breathtaking.

Strazdas wrote: »

Jonathan Powell mounting a brilliant defence of the backstop on Newsnight. He went into great detail about precisely how a No Deal Brexit breaches the GFA

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1156684632848338944

Powell was brilliant he should be on more often explaining the situation in ireland and no could say he doesn't know his stuff, he helped broker the GFA

Strazdas wrote: »

Hopefully somebody puts it up. It was a fantastic interview.....the penny finally dropped with Emily M. (the interviewer) that NI can't leave the Single Market / Customs Union without breaching the GFA

I hope it's up here soon. Would like to watch that.