Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Sierra Oscar · 31-07-2019 06:55PM

Bloomberg: The British Pound Is Starting to Resemble Emerging-Market Currencies

Imagine what it will be like on the eve of a no-deal chaotic Brexit. They are so screwed.

KildareP · 31-07-2019 06:57PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I wonder will we see anyone with a head of sense realising that if there isn’t a border in place, or maybe even if there is, NI will be a backdoor for illegal immigrants using Ireland to scoot through over to the UK?

Haven’t seen that mentioned in all this.

And wasn’t ‘take back control of our borders!’ One of the rallying cries in this?
It seems to have polarised into ‘were Not putting up any border!’

Pure insanity.

Anyone up for a bit of crowdfunding?

We could start taking out ads offering fasttrack entry to the UK via Europe.
Fly into Ireland and then head on up the open border via complementary shuttle bus and with no checks between NI and GB you won't be checked going over to the mainland either!
First shuttle bus will arrive into NI 01/11/2019 00:01.

Might catch the attention of the UK public and throw a spanner into Cumming's managed messaging project.

BluePlanet · 31-07-2019 06:59PM

There are several ways such a offloading could work.
It doesn't necessarily have to be a poll on Irish Unification, it could be a poll on the NI-only backstop for example.

Heck they could broaden the voting base on such a poll and let all the UK vote on NI backstop. It would pass and the DUP know it.

BonnieSituation · 31-07-2019 07:02PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Bloomberg: The British Pound Is Starting to Resemble Emerging-Market Currencies

Imagine what it will be like on the eve of a no-deal chaotic Brexit. They are so screwed.

Did you know an independent Scotland would not be able to support its own currency?

KildareP · 31-07-2019 07:02PM

BluePlanet wrote: »

There are several ways such a offloading could work.
It doesn't necessarily have to be a poll on Irish Unification, it could be a poll on the NI-only backstop for example.

Heck they could broaden the voting base on such a poll and let all the UK vote on NI backstop. It would pass and the DUP know it.

Can't see that happening as it would cause ruptions in Scotland, possibly Wales also.

Essentially it gives NI its own second public vote on Brexit.

Stop moaning ffs · 31-07-2019 07:06PM

KildareP wrote: »

Can't see that happening as it would cause ruptions in Scotland, possibly Wales also.

Essentially it gives NI its own second public vote on Brexit.

Exactly why it won’t happen.

It’ll be border In the sea. Bank on it.

eagle eye · 31-07-2019 07:06PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

â€˜Britain is a country that understands freedom and independenceâ€™ says a man from a country that is and will continue to block Scottish freedom and independence.

Scotland had the opportunity in 2014 and said no. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Seth Brundle · 31-07-2019 07:09PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Scotland had the opportunity in 2014 and said no. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

...and nothing significant has changed the political landscape since 2014?

weemcd · 31-07-2019 07:11PM

KildareP wrote: »

Can't see that happening as it would cause ruptions in Scotland, possibly Wales also.

Essentially it gives NI its own second public vote on Brexit.

This. I don't know much about Wales in all the turmoil of Brexit as they are rarely mentioned compared to Northern Ireland and Scotland. They (Wales) did vote to leave after all. But I do know this, Scotland want many of the provisions offered to Northern Ireland for themselves. You couldn't offer NI their own vote without Scotland demanding their own.

Stop moaning ffs · 31-07-2019 07:12PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

...and nothing significant has changed the political landscape since 2014?

Best ignoring that one. Contrarian and non contributory of any substance across several forums.

eagle eye · 31-07-2019 07:16PM

Seth Brundle wrote:

...and nothing significant has changed the political landscape since 2014?

That's the spoiled child syndrome demanding action when they don't get their way. Are you Scottish? If you are and voted last time then you voted yes I'd bet.
Referendums shouldn't happen very often. 2024 at the earliest is the next time Scotland should be given the opportunity.

Seth Brundle · 31-07-2019 07:17PM

It feels good when you have powerful friends watching your back...

Guy Verhofstadt has said Ireland will receive unstinting support from the rest of the EU in the event of pressure from the UK to concede ground on the backstop.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eu-brexit-negotiator-pressuring-ireland-will-prompt-waves-of-solidarity-from-rest-of-eu-940811.html

eagle eye · 31-07-2019 07:19PM

Seth Brundle wrote:

It feels good when you have powerful friends watching your back...

What does that mean? What is he going to do?
If the Brits say they are out and send nobody to the border what are the EU going to do about it?

BobbyBobberson · 31-07-2019 07:21PM

Don't feed the troll. This is one of the best threads on here, love the Brexit chat.

KildareP · 31-07-2019 07:22PM

weemcd wrote: »

This. I don't know much about Wales in all the turmoil of Brexit as they are rarely mentioned compared to Northern Ireland and Scotland. They (Wales) did vote to leave after all. But I do know this, Scotland want many of the provisions offered to Northern Ireland for themselves. You couldn't offer NI their own vote without Scotland demanding their own.

Noises coming from Wales this week seems like they may be having second thoughts... but at the end of the day as you say they did vote to leave! Maybe reality setting in.

briany · 31-07-2019 07:22PM

KildareP wrote: »

Can't see that happening as it would cause ruptions in Scotland, possibly Wales also.

Except the backstop wasn't offered because a majority of NI voted to remain or to keep it in the UK. It's offered in order to help preserve a long-standing peace. Never mind the fact that NI has no government to legislate on the backstop. It's a special set of circumstances that Scotland or Wales have no call to use as a precedent.

Seth Brundle · 31-07-2019 07:23PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What does that mean?

Having noticed the slant of your posts, I'm not surprised to see you ask the above.
November will be interesting indeed!

Christy42 · 31-07-2019 07:24PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What does that mean? What is he going to do?
If the Brits say they are out and send nobody to the border what are the EU going to do about it?

Supply evidence of the open border to the Canadian lawyers bringing a WTO case vs the British? (Unless the UK just charges 0% tariffs for everything in which case probably prepare aid packages as UK industry collapses from a lack of protection vs the world).

Stop moaning ffs · 31-07-2019 07:25PM

Option A is most likely. DUP and unionists on radio all day screaming that Johnson hasn’t said anything about protecting them and the Union.

Dogs in the street know he’s going to agree to a Northern Ireland only backstop that puts a border in the sea.

He then has an election and sails through as a hero that got to deliver brexit with a deal.

The Eu are open to that too remember.

This is the only sensible option.

Problem is Cummings and Bannon are involved. So sensible might not be the agenda. Chaos and breaking up the EU definitely is their agenda.

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Seth Brundle · 31-07-2019 07:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

If the Brits say they are out and send nobody to the border what are the EU going to do about it?

What about taking back control of the borders and all that?

KildareP · 31-07-2019 07:26PM

briany wrote: »

Except the backstop wasn't offered because a majority of NI voted to remain or to keep it in the UK. It's offered in order to help preserve a long-standing peace. Never mind the fact that NI has no government to legislate on the backstop. It's a special set of circumstances that Scotland or Wales have no call to use as a precedent.

Which is why it cannot be seen to be voted on by the public. It's part of a peace agreement, not an option.

ancapailldorcha · 31-07-2019 07:28PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What does that mean? What is he going to do?
If the Brits say they are out and send nobody to the border what are the EU going to do about it?

What would be the point of Brexit then? There'd be no screening people entering Northern Ireland. There'd be no need for other countries to negotiate a trade deal as they can just export across the border with no problems. The Irish customs officers won't be bothering to check, that's for sure.

How does giving up so much control do the UK any good? And that's before we get to the violation of WTO rules that leaving the border unstaffed would constitute. Who wants to negotiate with a capricious rule breaker?

Ben Done · 31-07-2019 07:31PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It feels good when you have powerful friends watching your back...

I love this point at the end of Verhofstat"s Guardian piece:

Johnson repeatedly declares that Britain must leave the EU “do or die” by 31 October, but he misquotes the Charge of the Light Brigade by Alfred, Lord Tennyson:

“Theirs not to make reply / Theirs not to reason why / Theirs but to do and die. / Into the valley of death / Rode the six hundred.”

It is telling that these three words, do or die, misrepresent a poem about a famous British military catastrophe. We must not allow an injurious Brexit strategy, wrongly wrapped up in an English flag, to harm us all.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/31/boris-johnson-eu-no-deal-brexit-uk-government-backstop?

briany · 31-07-2019 07:32PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about taking back control of the borders and all that?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What would be the point of Brexit then? There'd be no screening people entering Northern Ireland. There'd be no need for other countries to negotiate a trade deal as they can just export across the border with no problems. The Irish customs officers won't be bothering to check, that's for sure.

How does giving up so much control do the UK any good? And that's before we get to the violation of WTO rules that leaving the border unstaffed would constitute. Who wants to negotiate with a capricious rule breaker?

Brexit's about keeping Eastern Europeans and the Calais massive out, truth be told. Controlling borders is a dog whistle.

Does no-one remember the Breaking Point poster?

FrancieBrady · 31-07-2019 07:37PM

Anyone got a link to Farage suggesting a border poll?

ancapailldorcha · 31-07-2019 07:38PM

briany wrote: »

Brexit's about keeping Eastern Europeans and the Calais massive out, truth be told. Controlling borders is a dog whistle.

Does no-one remember the Breaking Point poster?

The same Eastern Europeans who have full rights regarding living and working in Ireland who will face no obstacles crossing the border in the scenario posed by eagle eye?

Kermit.de.frog · 31-07-2019 07:48PM

Former editor of the Sun more than hinting at an organised press campaign against Ireland and suggests it will ramp up further.

https://twitter.com/davidyelland/status/1156607348477169664

This is Cummings work I imagine. Everyone on song.

LionelNashe · 31-07-2019 07:48PM

Do you all reckon that the following could happen:

Parliament won't let Boris do a no-deal Brexit, so he calls an election, and the parliament that is returned has a majority of hard-brexiters (made up of Tories and Brexit Party), and they then vote to leave without a deal.

31-07-2019 07:50PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

Do you all reckon that the following could happen:

Parliament won't let Boris do a no-deal Brexit, so he calls an election, and the parliament that is returned has a majority of hard-brexiters (made up of Tories and Brexit Party), and they then vote to leave without a deal.

They're more likely to vote for a deal that dumps NI out of the union, Brexit being the bigger prize.

Christy42 · 31-07-2019 07:50PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

Do you all reckon that the following could happen:

Parliament won't let Boris do a no-deal Brexit, so he calls an election, and the parliament that is returned has a majority of hard-brexiters (made up of Tories and Brexit Party), and they then vote to leave without a deal.

Hey if the UK votes them in they deserve it.

Will the conservatives risk Corbyn by calling an election though. Even to stop No deal?

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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