Naomh Eanna - Grand Canal Dock

Tabnabs · 31-05-2017 2:45pm

I wonder if Dublin Port would be happy to see another "historic" vessel along their quay walls?

Atlantic Dawn · 31-05-2017 3:55pm

Galway would have a far better market for it as a hotel and restaurant but it would be very unlikely Galway Port could allocate a permanent berthing for it, perhaps The Claddag Quay area would be an option. I would doubt it will ever operate under its own steam again, will be towed wherever it's going to be moored after it's fitted out. No dry dock in Dublin now for inspection and work below the water, not sure on nearest that could take it, probably Belfast or Cork.

whisky_galore · 31-05-2017 4:12pm

Hope someone goes for it but Irish people lack imagination beyond brick-and-mortar type developments.

Likewise local authorities don't really help by their lack of understanding of these sorts of projects, putting out reams of red tape like there's no tomorrow.

end of the road · 31-05-2017 4:26pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Galway would have a far better market for it as a hotel and restaurant but it would be very unlikely Galway Port could allocate a permanent berthing for it, perhaps The Claddag Quay area would be an option. I would doubt it will ever operate under its own steam again, will be towed wherever it's going to be moored after it's fitted out. No dry dock in Dublin now for inspection and work below the water, not sure on nearest that could take it, probably Belfast or Cork.

it would depend on her condition really. she might not be in a fit enough condition to even be towed.

Atlantic Dawn · 01-06-2017 4:09pm

I see the Naomh Eanna and the dock it's in now feature in the next series of Red Rock to be shown in September.

NUTLEY BOY · 07-06-2017 12:24pm

end of the road wrote: »

it would depend on her condition really. she might not be in a fit enough condition to even be towed.

I think that there is probably a serious point there.

I suspect, at a wild guess, that she would have to be put on a barge to be extracted from Grand Canal Dock. Even then, I wonder if a barge could transit whatever lock is working.

Saw her last Monday. She is listed slightly to starboard and looking decidedly dejected.

Fair play to the chap who bought her if he can make a go of it but it looks like one hell of a challenge.

UrbanFox · 26-06-2017 12:31pm

Cycled past Grand Canal Dock on Friday and there is not a hint of anything being done with her.

NUTLEY BOY · 12-08-2017 1:42pm

Friday 11.08.17 - ops normal - i.e. nothing happening to N.E..

UrbanFox · 29-08-2017 11:30am

Passed by last Friday afternoon - 25.8.17 - and there is absolutely nothing happening with her.

Even the graffiti merchants seem to have forgotten about her !

Would the owner be paying berthage to OPW or whoever owns or operates the Grand Canal Dock ? Surely she cannot be left to rest there indefinitely ?

That said, she is there so long she must be close to acquiring squatters rights (adverse possession) ! I can remember her being there around the early 1990s and even the Surfdock chaps operating a shop on board her.

NUTLEY BOY · 21-09-2017 11:11am

Passed through GCD on Monday afternoon. Absolutely no sign of anything happening.

I was looking at the locks as I came from Sir John Rogerson's quay on my bike.
The one nearest the city (Westmoreland ?) looks unserviceable.
The middle one (Buckingham ?) looks serviceable. The OPW did a good job on it a few years ago.
The one nearest the lock keeper's house (Camden ?) seems to be closed off to any navigation.

So, if Naomh Eanna is to be towed our of there on a barge (presumably the only option left) would it fit though the middle lock ?

NUTLEY BOY · 28-12-2017 12:34pm

Passed GCD the other day. No apparent action to be seen with Naomh Eanna.

NUTLEY BOY · 12-02-2018 12:22pm

Passed GC Docks on Friday - absolutely nothing doing with NE.

fergal.b · 12-02-2018 4:14pm

The government might be holding on to her just incase the people of Tory Island don't accept their first offer of a new ferry .

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Atlantic Dawn · 06-03-2018 12:05am

She made a special guest appearance in tonights episode of Red Rock on TV3

NUTLEY BOY · 09-04-2018 12:03pm

Passed by GDC yesterday afternoon - nothing happening with NE.

UrbanVixen · 08-06-2018 11:42am

I was down at Grand Canal Dock at the weekend.

Saw a number of sailing vessels there for the festival locking out of GCD. They were using the middle lock and it was a very efficient operation although they could only run one vessel through at a time. It looks like the middle lock is the only one in an operational state.

Saw NE in the distance. Apart from a tarpaulin which covered the funnel up to a few weeks ago absolutely nothing has changed.

Unless they can fit NE through that middle lock I don't know how they will get her out of the basin.

ted1 · 05-07-2018 10:24am

On the journal now.

There’s 6.6 million in private funding secured and they have been giving permission to berth it at custom house quay.
28 bedrooms

NUTLEY BOY · 05-07-2018 12:36pm

ted1 wrote: »

On the journal now.

There’s 6.6 million in private funding secured and they have been giving permission to berth it at custom house quay.
28 bedrooms

Very interesting.

Fair play to the developer - hope it succeeds.

I am still killed with curiosity to know how they will get her out through the middle lock given that it is the only one that appears to be serviceable. I am sure that they must have measured it or come up with a salvers work around like a barge.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-07-2018 8:12pm

It's a lot of money to invest, I feel the history of it will be kind of lost in Dublin, would be much better having it moored in Galway. I suppose there is the link to Dublin in that it's where she was built.

Tabnabs · 06-07-2018 10:22am

There is a long way to go from a proposal to completed project. It will take a minor miracle to get this project successfully through to completion, IMHO. Definitely one to watch.

whisky_galore · 11-07-2018 12:56pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's a lot of money to invest, I feel the history of it will be kind of lost in Dublin, would be much better having it moored in Galway. I suppose there is the link to Dublin in that it's where she was built.

SS Nomadic is in Belfast, even though it spent all of its working life in France.

It's a big investment, fair play, Irish developers don't give two hoots about historic things generally. Far easier to demolish things and start anew.

LiamoSail · 01-08-2018 6:16pm

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

Very interesting.

Fair play to the developer - hope it succeeds.

I am still killed with curiosity to know how they will get her out through the middle lock given that it is the only one that appears to be serviceable. I am sure that they must have measured it or come up with a salvers work around like a barge.

I'd guess they could take it out through the bigger lock on the eastern side.

They don't necessarily need functioning lock gates, they could shore up where the outer gate was, flood and remove the shore on the inner side to allow her float in to the lock, shore again, pump and remove the outer shore.

In any case and despite the funding, I don't see it happening given the cost, current state of the ship and lack of historical significance of it. The sooner they do something with that plot of land wedged between the Dodder and GC Basin, the better

NUTLEY BOY · 03-08-2018 11:23am

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'd guess they could take it out through the bigger lock on the eastern side.

They don't necessarily need functioning lock gates, they could shore up where the outer gate was, flood and remove the shore on the inner side to allow her float in to the lock, shore again, pump and remove the outer shore.

In any case and despite the funding, I don't see it happening given the cost, current state of the ship and lack of historical significance of it. The sooner they do something with that plot of land wedged between the Dodder and GC Basin, the better

I would take a day off to see that operation it would be such a fascination

NUTLEY BOY · 14-01-2019 1:06pm

Cycled past GDC Friday evening in darkness so I couldn't see everything.

Large blue tarpaulin now over wheelhouse of the NE.

There seems to be a digger doing something beside NE.

GCD gate of eastern lock seems to have been opened. However, that side of the lock is still closed off by a "dam" that just allows passage of overspill in to lock.
Gate at Liffey side of eastern lock has been open for years !

fergal.b · 14-01-2019 1:29pm

Some nice drone footage of her by Eoghan Redmond.

https://www.facebook.com/MVNaomhEanna/videos/579525499142380/

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Fann Linn · 14-01-2019 1:32pm

I'm sure I did my CPSC on her many moons ago. Open to correction of course

Tabnabs · 14-01-2019 5:40pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

I'm sure I did my CPSC on her many moons ago. Open to correction of course

No, that was the Cill Airne, which coincidently is now located just a stones throw away and in good order.

https://www.mvcillairne.com/

Atlantic Dawn · 14-01-2019 11:13pm

What happened the wheelhouse, tarpaulin over it, was it damaged since it was stored?

Is anyone looking after pumping it out or is it left to it's own devices?

NUTLEY BOY · 16-01-2019 11:57am

fergal.b wrote: »

Some nice drone footage of her by Eoghan Redmond.

https://www.facebook.com/MVNaomhEanna/videos/579525499142380/ .

Well played - you can't beat a good aerial survey like that !

NUTLEY BOY · 19-01-2019 1:39pm

Passed by yesterday pm.

There was a digger, a mobile crane and what looked two divers on site.
They seem to be placing steel girders across the mouth of the graving dock astern of the NE.

jasper100 · 17-02-2019 1:04pm

Saw an interesting programme on the Ss great britain the other night. Scuttled in the falklands in 1937 she was refloated and put on a barge to Bristol nearly 40 years later, restored and now attracts about 200000 visitors a year.

BeardySi · 19-02-2019 2:36pm

Bit of a difference between the groundbreaking (once) most famous ship in the world and the old Aran ferry though

Every time I see an update in this thread now I click with trepidation in case it's news of her getting scrapped

galwaytt · 25-02-2019 2:40pm

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

Passed by yesterday pm.

There was a digger, a mobile crane and what looked two divers on site.
They seem to be placing steel girders across the mouth of the graving dock astern of the NE.

saw it for the first time on Saturday - god it's very dilapidated at this stage. Was wondering wth is going to happen with it, as it'll crumble if nothing is.

LiamoSail · 26-02-2019 6:55pm

Just scrap the thing, it's an eyesore and has no real historical significance.

NUTLEY BOY · 19-03-2019 12:21pm

Cycling home Friday p.m. via GCD.

The GCD/open end of the graving dock now seems closed off with the steel girders I saw being craned in a few weeks ago. There is now a pontoon outside of that.

There seem to be supporting poles shoring up the starboard quarter. As best as I could tell the NE looks like she is sitting more uprightly than previously when she listed a little to starboard.

Somebody seems to be doing something about her alright but she just looks increasingly decrepit.

Watch this space I suppose

roundymac · 20-03-2019 12:13pm

Who's going to end up paying for all this,,,,Joe Public?:mad:

NUTLEY BOY · 30-07-2019 6:03pm

Passed through GCD on Friday. She is still sitting propped upright but nothing seems to be happening.

UrbanVixen · 18-01-2020 2:42pm

Cycled past there yesterday afternoon. Although it was dusk there seemed to be absolutely nothing happening whatsoever with Naomh Eanna.

Would Waterways Ireland have any authority to force the owner's hand to do something about the vessel if it just sitting there apparently deteriorating ?

AnnaStezia · 30-07-2020 1:41pm

Cycled through GCD on Sunday last.
NE still sitting upright inside the (graving ??) dock.
Absolutely zilch happening to judge by appearances.

Atlantic Dawn · 30-07-2020 1:52pm

AnnaStezia wrote: »

Cycled through GCD on Sunday last.
NE still sitting upright inside the (graving ??) dock.
Absolutely zilch happening to judge by appearances.

I think whatever plans could have been there pre Covid will be on ice for many many years now. A replica ship at this stage is a far better option, perhaps take the original funnel off to preserve.

hurleronditch · 30-07-2020 7:27pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think whatever plans could have been there pre Covid will be on ice for many many years now. A replica ship at this stage is a far better option, perhaps take the original funnel off to preserve.

For what purpose though? It doesn’t really have any historical significance.

Put her out of her misery and break her up for scrap

end of the road · 30-07-2020 7:33pm

hurleronditch wrote: »

For what purpose though? It doesn’t really have any historical significance.

Put her out of her misery and break her up for scrap

you for got to add "in my opinion" as part of your post.

hurleronditch · 30-07-2020 7:45pm

end of the road wrote: »

you for got to add "in my opinion" as part of your post.

No I’m happy enough with it as it is, generally when people say something on a message board there’s an element of opinion implied.

Great, she was the Aran islands ferry and fulfilled some other lovely jobs, but if we kept every relic of days gone by we would be inundated with dusty old trains, buses, cars and boats. If you preserve everything you lose the significance of those really worthy of preservation.

In my opinion.

end of the road · 30-07-2020 7:56pm

hurleronditch wrote: »

No I’m happy enough with it as it is, generally when people say something on a message board there’s an element of opinion implied.

Great, she was the Aran islands ferry and fulfilled some other lovely jobs, but if we kept every relic of days gone by we would be inundated with dusty old trains, buses, cars and boats. If you preserve everything you lose the significance of those really worthy of preservation.

In my opinion.

who mentioned preserving everything?
what has preserving everything which nobody has suggested got to do with this discussion?

punisher5112 · 30-07-2020 8:12pm

Turn into a ghost ship

hurleronditch · 30-07-2020 8:15pm

end of the road wrote: »

who mentioned preserving everything?
what has preserving everything which nobody has suggested got to do with this discussion?

By calling out my post as being opinion, I took it you had the opposite view that this was worth preserving. If you agree this is just a fairly meaningless shell corroding in GCD and should be broken up for scrap, then we’re all good here.

Charlie-Bravo · 30-07-2020 9:32pm

I have a certain affection towards it having been on it at Aran. It's the nostalgic notion it can be kept in some form so you can tell stories to your kids, grand kids in future years. We won't get that chance.

If I had an endless pit of money, I'd buy it up, get it fitted out to it's original condition and stick it in my own personal transport museum!

I think it'd be a nice tourist attraction, something like the SS Nomadic, lord out with photos and any possible videos but to have it over in Galway so tourists visiting the West could see it.

fergal.b · 31-07-2020 9:10am

As one of the last hand built riveted boats she has some history of days gone bye I would prefer to see her restored than seeing money being spent on developing a 22million euro white water rafting park in George's dock https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2019/1202/1096595-white-water-rafting-facility-dublin/ Thank God thats not going ahead

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whisky_galore · 09-08-2020 7:53am

hurleronditch wrote: »

No I’m happy enough with it as it is, generally when people say something on a message board there’s an element of opinion implied.

Great, she was the Aran islands ferry and fulfilled some other lovely jobs, but if we kept every relic of days gone by we would be inundated with dusty old trains, buses, cars and boats. If you preserve everything you lose the significance of those really worthy of preservation.

In my opinion.

We are hardly "inundated" with all these masses of old things, don't exaggerate.

Compared to uk, we are fairly useless at preserving anything. There are developing countries with a better record than we do.

Storm 10 · 10-08-2020 10:56am

Did you know that the Naomh Eanna was involved in the search for the KLM aircraft that crashed into the sea in 1958 100 miles off the Aran Islands, my Cousin was on board heading to Inishmore when the Naomh Eanna was tasked by Valentia to proceed to the search area, the Captain told the passengers on board they would not be stopping in Aran and headed 100 miles to the area, they spent three days there recovering wreckage no bodies they were picked up by a Canadian warship and a Fleet of Spanish Trawlers and taken to Galway, the warship anchored off Salthill and you coukd see a wing on the stern she was a big ship. My Cousin was wrecked when they finally got back to Galway they were sleeping on chairs and seats but it's just another part of her history.

Naomh Eanna - Grand Canal Dock

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