Things that grind my gears

Stoner · 26-07-2019 08:23PM

LoughNeagh2017 wrote:

I noticed is that they aren't even consistent with the religion they are linking GAA with, some clubs are Christian saints and other clubs are named after Celtic Pagan figures

As you know there was a bigger movement that involved heritage, language and mythology.

Promotion of an identity was key to that, the games are old and are a part of the bigger picture.

It's not a contradiction.

Clubs like Setanta, with links to Cu Chulain who pops up in Ulster, Scottish and Manx folklore. They've nothing to do with the RC church and reference elements of the games.

My own club was named after a poet, from nearly 300 years ago. Saints and scholars were the icons people identified with, they provided the content in the timeline.

I understand that this grinds your gears, but maybe it shouldn't.

We won't dig too deeply into any club named after St Bridget !
But it is interesting since it's pretty similar in how one "organisation" absorbed a figure from another to legitimise itself

Not being able to watch a match without being asked to do the line annoys me.

Bonniedog · 26-07-2019 08:31PM

The saint thing is just teams named after parishes. More prevalent in Dublin I think.

Older Dublin clubs are more likely to have historical connotations - Crokes, Kickhams, Davis, Eoghan Ruadh, or if county then after the place they are from.

Clubs established from 20s on tend to have taken parish names.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 26-07-2019 08:34PM

It's funny how the names vary a lot between counties. In Mayo almost all clubs are named after the town or village they come from, whereas a lot of Roscommon clubs have saints names or other names not so clearly linked to the place.

Poor_old_gill · 26-07-2019 09:20PM

Stoner wrote: »

As you know there was a bigger movement that involved heritage, language and mythology.

Promotion of an identity was key to that, the games are old and are a part of the bigger picture.

It's not a contradiction.

Clubs like Setanta, with links to Cu Chulain who pops up in Ulster, Scottish and Manx folklore. They've nothing to do with the RC church and reference elements of the games.

My own club was named after a poet, from nearly 300 years ago. Saints and scholars were the icons people identified with, they provided the content in the timeline.

I understand that this grinds your gears, but maybe it shouldn't.

We won't dig too deeply into any club named after St Bridget !
But it is interesting since it's pretty similar in how one "organisation" absorbed a figure from another to legitimise itself

Not being able to watch a match without being asked to do the line annoys me.

This,100 times this.
The whole creation of the GAA was part of a cultural restoration and celebration of our history.

In Kerry you have clubs named after saints, local volunteers, 1916 revolutionaries, etc but the central theme is that they all form a part of Irish history and culture.

threeball · 27-07-2019 08:14AM

Whatever about clubs around the country formed when the church was dominant being named after Saints and priests I have to laugh when I see clubs overseas in the US, Australia, England and even Asia do this. Are they actively trying to dissuade people from joining who aren't of Irish heritage.

Bonniedog · 27-07-2019 09:38AM

Most of the naming of clubs after parishes was done well after the foundation, when parishes became the organising practical organising unit of the GAA rather than a village or town or as in Dublin where clubs were often organised on basis of professions where you had clubs from Guinnesses, the bar trade, teachers, Gaelic league, shop workers, civil servants and so on. Nothing to do with the Church being dominant. In fact the RCC along with the Brits, had been hostile to the GAA for decades.

The GAA's fundamental role is to promote Irish games and the culture of Irish people. If others wish to participate then that's great. the preservation of Irish culture remains an objective as far as I know. Plenty of others working in the opposite direction.

cj maxx · 27-07-2019 10:29AM

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

Well is rugby not nationalistic in Wales but I'm sure you don't get most clubs named after a saint, Welsh historical figure or having old tribal crests used as a badge. It is even more silly when the GAA advertise the game in foreign countries and say "it's a game for all"

Rugby is an English game!

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-07-2019 10:51AM

threeball wrote: »

Whatever about clubs around the country formed when the church was dominant being named after Saints and priests I have to laugh when I see clubs overseas in the US, Australia, England and even Asia do this. Are they actively trying to dissuade people from joining who aren't of Irish heritage.

But to people not of Irish heritage it's just a game they enjoy playing.
They don't care about the name of the club or the history of some Irish politician or saint.
They know it's called what it's called because it's Irish.

People elsewhere are not as hung up about the history of the influence of the RCC or nationalism in Ireland as we Irish are.

Bonniedog · 27-07-2019 11:44AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

People elsewhere are not as hung up about the history of the influence of the RCC or nationalism in Ireland as we Irish are.

Its more people obsessed with trying to force the GAA into being some poster boy for "diversity" and "multiculturalism."

Most traditionalists are almost afraid to open their mouths at this stage.

citykat · 27-07-2019 05:54PM

It's 8 minutes before the All Ireland semi final. Players are trying to focus on the game. What do they do? They bring out Shane Lowry and do an on pitch interview. How disrectful is that?

YFlyer · 27-07-2019 08:16PM

citykat wrote: »

It's 8 minutes before the All Ireland semi final. Players are trying to focus on the game. What do they do? They bring out Shane Lowry and do an on pitch interview. How disrectful is that?

They be in the dressing rooms at that time.

citykat · 27-07-2019 10:23PM

YFlyer wrote: »

They be in the dressing rooms at that time.

What're you on about. They' were out on the pitch ffs.

citykat · 27-07-2019 10:26PM

Today in Croke park was just farcical. It's actually becoming more surreal. They interviewed a chef fully togged out on the pitch. A transition year student would have better ideas.

Bonniedog · 27-07-2019 10:56PM

I thought I was the only one to find all the Vaudeville stuff deeply irritating!

They have yet to top the lads in air bubbles racing each other across the pitch at one of the football finals a few years back.

"I'm having a freakin nervous breakdown here. Enough already."

lawred2 · 27-07-2019 11:00PM

Gerry G wrote: »

Kicking from the hand should be done away with altogether in free taking. It was much more entertaining and skillful when the ball was placed

Even for a free in your own half?

Nah from the hand keeps the game flowing

1984baby · 27-07-2019 11:05PM

“The 4 week layoff was too long for them.” FFS, if you’re good enough you’ll win no matter how long between games

Bonniedog · 27-07-2019 11:11PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Even for a free in your own half?

Nah from the hand keeps the game flowing

There was some good place kicking from both sides in the 21s semi final this evening. It is nice to look at when executed well.

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-07-2019 11:12PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Even for a free in your own half?

Nah from the hand keeps the game flowing

Exactly

A few days ago the 1980 All Ireland final was on TG4.
Kicking every free from the ground was so slow and tedious.

JustJoe7240 · 27-07-2019 11:21PM

citykat wrote: »

It's 8 minutes before the All Ireland semi final. Players are trying to focus on the game. What do they do? They bring out Shane Lowry and do an on pitch interview. How disrectful is that?

Faux outrage surely? You think any of the players even noticed that was happening?

citykat · 28-07-2019 12:05AM

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Faux outrage surely? You think any of the players even noticed that was happening?

Unless they were deaf or blind they couldn't but. I've no idea why Shane Lowry was put on display today. He's not a GAA player. No connection to either participating county. This is an All Ireland semi final. These players have sacrificed a lot to get to this stage. It's their day not Lowry's.

road_high · 28-07-2019 12:09AM

citykat wrote: »

Unless they were deaf or blind they couldn't but. I've no idea why Shane Lowry was put on display today. He's not a GAA player. No connection to either participating county. This is an All Ireland semi final. These players have sacrificed a lot to get to this stage. It's their day not Lowry's.

I sincerely doubt they even noticed! Plus a Kilkenny company is one of Lowrys biggest sponsors :pac:

Bonniedog · 28-07-2019 12:18AM

citykat wrote: »

Unless they were deaf or blind they couldn't but. I've no idea why Shane Lowry was put on display today. He's not a GAA player. No connection to either participating county. This is an All Ireland semi final. These players have sacrificed a lot to get to this stage. It's their day not Lowry's.

I'm sure the IRFU will parade the All Ireland winners before the first 6 Nations game in the Aviva next year

Typical of the wannabe boy band managers who are responsible for the "entertainment" in Croke Park.

LoughNeagh2017 · 28-07-2019 01:08AM

cjmc wrote: »

Rugby is an English game!

Australian Rules Football then, not many clubs named after colonial english culture as far as i know anyway

LoughNeagh2017 · 28-07-2019 01:12AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Its more people obsessed with trying to force the GAA into being some poster boy for "diversity" and "multiculturalism."

Most traditionalists are almost afraid to open their mouths at this stage.

I'm not one of those people but I just like to point out how I see it, no matter what people say the naming of clubs and grounds in places like Antrim is actually harming them in the long run, a county like Antrim won't be able to become successful until the Protestants get involved, I know other northern counties have had success but counties like Derry and Armagh still would benefit from having their entire population being "GAA people"

My main irritation is the gate keeping of the heritage by specific counties, as I previous said about Meath and High Kingship, Tyrone and clan O'Neill, Cork and rebels, Derry and oakwoods (my own county) we must think we are the only county to have forests.
Other examples I can think of is the Monaghan Farney/Oriel thing and Cavan gate keeping the Breifne kingdom, Leitrim has as much right to call themselves that.

Something else that annoys me is the new Mid-Ulster council crest, South Derry and East Tyrone. They have stuck oak leafs on it to represent South Derry, the oak leaf represents Derry city, it only represents the whole county when used within the GAA but it is nothing to do with South Derry in any other way, they also have the red hand on the crest to represent East Tyrone even though the red hand represents the majority of Ulster, more gate keeping there, this world irritates me altogether.

Realt Dearg Sec · 28-07-2019 03:52AM

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

Bonniedog wrote: »

Its more people obsessed with trying to force the GAA into being some poster boy for "diversity" and "multiculturalism."

Most traditionalists are almost afraid to open their mouths at this stage.

I'm not one of those people but I just like to point out how I see it, no matter what people say the naming of clubs and grounds in places like Antrim is actually harming them in the long run, a county like Antrim won't be able to become successful until the Protestants get involved, I know other northern counties have had success but counties like Derry and Armagh still would benefit from having their entire population being "GAA people"

My main irritation is the gate keeping of the heritage by specific counties, as I previous said about Meath and High Kingship, Tyrone and clan O'Neill, Cork and rebels, Derry and oakwoods (my own county) we must think we are the only county to have forests.
Other examples I can think of is the Monaghan Farney/Oriel thing and Cavan gate keeping the Breifne kingdom, Leitrim has as much right to call themselves that.

Something else that annoys me is the new Mid-Ulster council crest, South Derry and East Tyrone. They have stuck oak leafs on it to represent South Derry, the oak leaf represents Derry city, it only represents the whole county when used within the GAA but it is nothing to do with South Derry in any other way, they also have the red hand on the crest to represent East Tyrone even though the red hand represents the majority of Ulster, more gate keeping there, this world irritates me altogether.

I've never heard of less consequential things to be annoyed by in my entire life. Meath are "gate keeping" high kingship? What?

beggars_bush · 28-07-2019 08:44AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

The saint thing is just teams named after parishes. More prevalent in Dublin I think.

Older Dublin clubs are more likely to have historical connotations - Crokes, Kickhams, Davis, Eoghan Ruadh, or if county then after the place they are from.

Clubs established from 20s on tend to have taken parish names.

clubs named after saints down the country are usually named after a saint that has an association with the area - eg a well or rock or something

how many GAA clubs are named after the local landlord? I know one

beggars_bush · 28-07-2019 08:46AM

anyway, things that grind my gears

In hurling when a player runs straight into another player, usually head down, sometimes the helmet pops off
Then gets a free for it

Bonniedog · 28-07-2019 09:21AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

how many GAA clubs are named after the local landlord? I know one

That's a good one!

Only one I can think of is Arklow Rcok Parnells, although that was not reason they named the club after him.

Poor_old_gill · 28-07-2019 10:02AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

clubs named after saints down the country are usually named after a saint that has an association with the area - eg a well or rock or something

how many GAA clubs are named after the local landlord? I know one

Catleisland Desmonds name would come from the Earl of Desmond

Bonniedog · 28-07-2019 10:38AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Catleisland Desmonds name would come from the Earl of Desmond

Named after the one who led the rebellion in 1500s rather than his descendants I assume?

Things that grind my gears

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