How hard is it to get the rolex you want

Cyrus · 18-07-2019 9:39am

893bet wrote: »

Patek and AP sports are worse! All trading double retail.

yep or worse

2 years ago i could conceive owning a 5711, not any more

Oafley Jones · 18-07-2019 10:17am

Cyrus wrote: »

yep or worse

2 years ago i could conceive owning a 5711, not any more

For the laugh, I asked Keane's what the current situation was in getting an Aquanaut. I was told that before, if you bought three watches with them, you'd be pretty much sure of getting one. That's gone now, I was told it's pretty much almost an impossible ask regardless of your spend.

Jude13 · 21-07-2019 7:41am

Rootsblower wrote: »

Without a serious purchase history I’d say you’ve more hope of winning Miss World than getting a GMT Pepsi.

There’s 2 Tudor Black Bay GMT’s on adverts both look great

I got a BLRO from an AD in Ireland early this year, so I was about a year waiting as it was released in baselworld last April (2018) I believe. I just kept on their case, bot annoying them, just emailing asking etc. I am down for a BLNR which I am not mad keen on and would most likely sell on after a year. Though I have said that before and kept the intended flip watch.

Rootsblower · 21-07-2019 12:23pm

Jude13 wrote: »

I got a BLRO from an AD in Ireland early this year, so I was about a year waiting as it was released in baselworld last April (2018) I believe. I just kept on their case, bot annoying them, just emailing asking etc. I am down for a BLNR which I am not mad keen on and would most likely sell on after a year. Though I have said that before and kept the intended flip watch.

Why would you spend so much money that your not even mad keen on as you put it.

893bet · 21-07-2019 1:37pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

Why would you spend so much money that your not even mad keen on as you put it.

If you can’t get one take it. Sell for 4K profit the next day.

mcko · 21-07-2019 2:50pm

I put my name down for a Sub no date in Weirs about a month ago, at least a year and a half wait time, it is nuts I bought my first Rolex out of the window in 21 years ago.People won't believe me when I tell them that the wait is so long.

Rootsblower · 21-07-2019 3:05pm

Apparently Rolex are still producing the same amount of watches per annum it’s just that a lot of people are buying just to sell to make quick bucks and consequently they are now seen as a commodity. Even the datejust 41mm are increasingly rare, pretty much all that’s available is oyster perpetual and precious metal models. It’s all gonna end in tears for some who get caught out

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 21-07-2019 5:32pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

This article was on TRF a few months ago i believe it sums up the Rolex marketing strategy well

http://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/the-24-anti-laws-of-marketing

Sometimes when something is written down it seems so obvious. Good link there thanks.

ArphaRima · 22-07-2019 11:42am

I'm one of the idiots apparently.

I want The Rolex GMT-Master II Ref. 126710 BLNR ("Batman")

I already own an IWC 7-day, Breitling Transocean, Omega DSOTM, G-Shock M-RG and a few more, but this is my grail watch right now. I intend to mark an occasion with it, but wow, the prices and availabillity are realling shocking.

I've been abroad for years (typically buying watches from grey market dealers in the USA) and the few shops I've been to in UK and Ireland are all banging on about needing an established relationship. Even the fact I would buy a few other watches in at the same time doesn't seem to have an effect. Its my only leverage, so I wont buy the others unless my watch is available.

Any advice on how to get this?
I may just give up and go for a different brand/watch, but it would be a shame.

fret_wimp2 · 22-07-2019 2:22pm

How much does one need to spend when "building a relationship" with an Ad?

And why not call it what it is, an entry fee to be able to buy the watch you want. It's not like anyone is bringing their ad a coffee and bagel on their way to work, or treating them to a nice meal now and then to build a relationship, the ask if for customers to spend a lot of money on less desirable stock, before they have a shot at paying a lot of money for the item the customer wants.

I'd like to know what the expected spend is.

Samsonite 187 · 22-07-2019 2:48pm

fluffer wrote: »

I'm one of the idiots apparently.

I want The Rolex GMT-Master II Ref. 126710 BLNR ("Batman")

I already own an IWC 7-day, Breitling Transocean, Omega DSOTM, G-Shock M-RG and a few more, but this is my grail watch right now. I intend to mark an occasion with it, but wow, the prices and availabillity are realling shocking.

I've been abroad for years (typically buying watches from grey market dealers in the USA) and the few shops I've been to in UK and Ireland are all banging on about needing an established relationship. Even the fact I would buy a few other watches in at the same time doesn't seem to have an effect. Its my only leverage, so I wont buy the others unless my watch is available.

Any advice on how to get this?
I may just give up and go for a different brand/watch, but it would be a shame.

They aren't hard to get there are seven or eight on watchfinder at the moment.

A quick search on chrono24 brings up over eight hundred.

ArphaRima · 22-07-2019 3:08pm

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

How much does one need to spend when "building a relationship" with an Ad?

And why not call it what it is, an entry fee to be able to buy the watch you want. It's not like anyone is bringing their ad a coffee and bagel on their way to work, or treating them to a nice meal now and then to build a relationship, the ask if for customers to spend a lot of money on less desirable stock, before they have a shot at paying a lot of money for the item the customer wants.

I'd like to know what the expected spend is.

Well each of the other 2 watches were in-store and 9k and 7k GBP respectively. that wouldnt officially move the needle at all, "but it might help". I'm not going to spend my only leverage unless I'm sure.

ArphaRima · 22-07-2019 3:13pm

Samsonite 187 wrote: »

They aren't hard to get there are seven or eight on watchfinder at the moment.

A quick search on chrono24 brings up over eight hundred.

You're quite right of course. At double retail I can get one. I'd rather wait than do that.
But I cant even get a ballpark waiting time.

Rootsblower · 22-07-2019 5:48pm

I’ve been told by an AD that I’m on the wait list for a GMT Pepsi and it’ll be 5 years but methinks they’re just paying me lip service. I have no previous purchases with them.

I’d say fluffy you’d want to be buying the Mrs/Mr a nice Rolex before you’ll get near that GMT

Samsonite 187 · 23-07-2019 12:03am

Rootsblower wrote: »

I’ve been told by an AD that I’m on the wait list for a GMT Pepsi and it’ll be 5 years but methinks they’re just paying me lip service. I have no previous purchases with them.

I’d say fluffy you’d want to be buying the Mrs/Mr a nice Rolex before you’ll get near that GMT

100% correct. If you have never spent a penny in that Rolex Authorized Dealer forget about ever getting a Steel professional model like a BLNR or a BLRO.

Samsonite 187 · 23-07-2019 12:30am

fluffer wrote: »

You're quite right of course. At double retail I can get one. I'd rather wait than do that.
But I cant even get a ballpark waiting time.

I really don't mean to come across as a troll or a dick.

But you really are in a situation of your own making.

You had good purchasing power. You bought 4 watches. All models an authorized retailer would be happy to sell and negotiate on. You went down the grey market root. Maybe got those watches at a little less.

Now you want a super duper hot watch that the whole wide world and his mother, father, brother and sister wants at retail with out ever purchasing in that shop before!!!!

Seriously??? These shops are getting thousands of emails a week asking the say thing. They literally can pick and choose who they want to sell to.

When you ask can I get a hot watch they are repling you need to build up a relationship they are 100000000% serious.

These Jewellers have thousands of clients that will buy Rolex and Patek. They don't need you. What they want is loyal local clients that buy everything from them.

To build a relationship they are not asking you to spend money on things you dont want to buy. They are saying if you fancy an omega come to us. If you want a breitling come to us. If you are buying an engagement ring come to us. If you want wedding rings come to us. We want to be your one stop Jewellers. Then if you want something hard to get no problem.

If you jump from shop to shop and support grey market retailers. Then you are the cause. Anyone that has given any money to a grey dealer is the cause of the crazy Patek and Rolex prices. If you had spent your money at authorized you would have built a relationship and 100% would be able to get those models.

Just my two cents.

funkyouup · 23-07-2019 1:01am

Hey mcmanus.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 23-07-2019 7:37pm

funkyouup wrote: »

Hey mcmanus.

Thats not McManus, if it was the post would read like this.

Samsonite 187 wrote: »

One really doesn't mean to come across as a troll or a dick.

But one really is in a situation of ones own making.

You had good purchasing power. You bought 4 watches pieces. All pieces an authorized retailer would be happy to sell and negotiate with one. one went down the grey market root. Maybe got those pieces at a little less.

Now one wants a super duper hot pieces that the whole wide world and his mother, father, brother and sister wants at retail with out ever purchasing in that shop before!!!!

Seriously??? These shops are getting thousands of emails a week asking the say thing. They literally can pick and choose who they want to sell to.

When you ask can one get a hot piece they are repling you need to build up a relationship they are 100000000% serious.

These Jewellers have thousands of clients that will buy Rolex and Patek. They don't need you. What they want is loyal local clients that buy everything from them.

To build a relationship they are not asking you to spend money on things you dont want to buy. They are saying if one fancies an omega come to us. If one want a breitling come to us. If one is buying an engagement ring come to us. If one wants wedding rings come to us. We want to be your one stop Jewellers. Then if you want something hard to get no problem.

If one jumps from shop to shop and support grey market retailers. Then one is the cause. Anyone that has given any money to a grey dealer is the cause of the crazy Patek and Rolex prices. If one had spent your money at authorized one would have built a relationship and 100% would be able to get those models.

You could get a dubious Stienhart piece online, that is ones right

Just my two cents.

oxocube · 23-07-2019 7:42pm

How does one go about getting one one?

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 23-07-2019 8:23pm

fluffer wrote: »

You're quite right of course. At double retail I can get one. I'd rather wait than do that.
But I cant even get a ballpark waiting time.

They are not twice retail, they are around 9k retail little less, but I know of them changing hands for surprising amounts, and there is one on adverts overpriced little at the moment for 13.5k. the fact its not news make no difference, a new one is second hand 1 second after you put it on, send it back to Rolex and it will return good as new 8 weeks later.

If its the watch you want, just bargain hard and you will get it for 12500-13k.

AmberGold · 23-07-2019 9:03pm

I've a BLNR, Dec '18, bought by me from a Rolex dealer in Ireland, rarely worn, excellent condition with some light signs of desk diving on the clasp which could easily be polished out, no flea bites or scrapes.

I'm considering selling to fund another purchase, anyone interested please PM me with your details, location, what you'd be willing to offer etc.

To be honest, I've got an offer from Watchfinder for €12,550 and I won't accept less, just not sure when I'll be back in the UK to do the deal.

893bet · 23-07-2019 9:08pm

Dante Delicious Magnum wrote: »

They are not twice retail, they are around 9k retail little less, but I know of them changing hands for surprising amounts, and there is one on adverts overpriced little at the moment for 13.5k. the fact its not news make no difference, a new one is second hand 1 second after you put it on, send it back to Rolex and it will return good as new 8 weeks later.

If its the watch you want, just bargain hard and you will get it for 12500-13k.

8350 retail.

Sold mine for less than 12 last week. Prob could have got more but took an easy transaction rather than dealing with a total stranger.

They are a stunning watch no doubt but all Rolex divers leave me a little....meh.....I have concluded.

AmberGold · 23-07-2019 9:15pm

893bet wrote: »

8350 retail.

Sold mine for less than 12 last week. Prob could have got more but took an easy transaction rather than dealing with a total stranger.

They are a stunning watch no doubt but all Rolex divers leave me a little....meh.....I have concluded.

What are you wearing now, any plans to replace?

893bet · 23-07-2019 9:31pm

AmberGold wrote: »

What are you wearing now, any plans to replace?

Aquanaut for last few days (first time in a month).

Eyeing up some thing nice. Most likely a Calatrava or an A Lange and Sohne.

The below have caught my eye in particular! The Calatrava in particular straddles the sporty yet slim dressy space that I like.

5296g-001

And a 1815 221.025

Rootsblower · 23-07-2019 9:54pm

Wow sweet watches especially the A Lange. I’d be happy with just the Aquanaut. I can but dream I suppose

Cyrus · 23-07-2019 10:00pm

AmberGold wrote: »

I've a BLNR, Dec '18, bought by me from a Rolex dealer in Ireland, rarely worn, excellent condition with some light signs of desk diving on the clasp which could easily be polished out, no flea bites or scrapes.

I'm considering selling to fund another purchase, anyone interested please PM me with your details, location, what you'd be willing to offer etc.

To be honest, I've got an offer from Watchfinder for €12,550 and I won't accept less, just not sure when I'll be back in the UK to do the deal.

Just post it ?!

Wibbs · 23-07-2019 10:20pm

I've a soft spot for the Lange stuff I have to say. Gorgeous quality in the hand.

shutup · 23-07-2019 11:44pm

Just my two cents.
You are nuts if you’re prepared to build up a relationship with an AD so you can get up the waiting list for a watch.
Think about doing that for any other type of shopping. Would you be so submissive to a pub, restaurant, supermarket or department store?
How could anyone spend lots of money in order to gain the right to spend lots more money.

Jude13 · 24-07-2019 6:55am

893bet wrote: »

8350 retail.

Sold mine for less than 12 last week. Prob could have got more but took an easy transaction rather than dealing with a total stranger.

They are a stunning watch no doubt but all Rolex divers leave me a little....meh.....I have concluded.

I am really annoyed to say this and it may change over time but I completely get what you mean. I have wanted a gmt pepsi since as a kid my dads pal had one. I dreamed that some day I could, the new SS one came out and I was lucky to get it retail but I prefer wearing my explorer, I think it may be that the jubilee bracelet is a bit blingy or that the colour attracts too much attention.

Always Tired · 24-07-2019 7:20am

shutup wrote: »

Just my two cents.
You are nuts if you’re prepared to build up a relationship with an AD so you can get up the waiting list for a watch.
Think about doing that for any other type of shopping. Would you be so submissive to a pub, restaurant, supermarket or department store?
How could anyone spend lots of money in order to gain the right to spend lots more money.

Do you actually think that's an appropriate analogy in any way? To compare buying a pint that costs fiver, that you can buy on any paved street, that will be consumed in a matter of minutes and is gone, to a watch that you can't get anywhere, that costs 5 figures, that will keep most or possibly increase its value, that can be passed down generations.

I get if you don't want to play the little games rich people play but that was just a really daft analogy on many levels. When your target market is people with plenty of dosh, the only way to make them desire your product besides quality and legacy/brand recognition is scarcity. In fact that's how you make sure the ones with the dosh are willing to part with loads of it. They need some kind of challenge! And the shops need to sell more than just the popular watch of the moment to keep afloat im guessing.

And you will often get perks for being a regular in a pub ad well! Lock ins, the odd freebie etc.

893bet · 24-07-2019 7:42am

shutup wrote: »

Just my two cents.
You are nuts if you’re prepared to build up a relationship with an AD so you can get up the waiting list for a watch.
Think about doing that for any other type of shopping. Would you be so submissive to a pub, restaurant, supermarket or department store?
How could anyone spend lots of money in order to gain the right to spend lots more money.

It’s too late in the current market to build a relationship, unless you are gonna buy precious metal Daytona’s or huge 20k diamond rings etc. A couple of 5-10k purchases means you are just a face in the crowd.

There will be exceptions to this, but they are the exception.

Only an increase in supply or a global changed in demand will change that.

Apollinaris · 24-07-2019 11:14am

I’ve found reading this thread very entertaining and interesting. I’ve never been more convinced the next financial crisis is imminent and just around the corner. It’s going to be a very bad one.

Anjobe · 24-07-2019 11:54am

Apollinaris wrote: »

I’ve never been more convinced the next financial crisis is imminent and just around the corner. It’s going to be a very bad one.

It will start on November 1st if BoJo gets his way!

Wibbs · 24-07-2019 11:59am

Apollinaris wrote: »

I’ve found reading this thread very entertaining and interesting. I’ve never been more convinced the next financial crisis is imminent and just around the corner. It’s going to be a very bad one.

I dunno about financial crises coming but the current steel sports Rolex market interesting alright. And it is current. While like any marque there have been highs and lows of supply and demand, the fever we're seeing at the moment is only a few years old. It's a fantastic bit of marketing from Rolex, who on top of making solid quality mid tier watches from the get go they were and remain extremely good at that part of the business.

Their founder Hans Wilsdorf was a genuine 24Kt genius at understanding and then exploiting, even changing some of the fundamentals of the watch business. I mean he was a guy who very early on saw the potential of the wristwatch for men and concentrated on that, while the rest of the Swiss industry kept rattling out pocketwatches alongside the new fangled wristlets.

And while contrary to popular belief and even their own marketing(though these days they're mostly leaving that stuff to their fans, again genius marketing) they were almost never innovators in watch designs and concepts they very much kept up to speed with the latest tech before they became trends and often made them into a trend. EG they weren't close to being the first to invent a waterproof watch, or a screwdown crown, or the automatic movement, Hans saw the potential of those ideas and gathered those concepts together in one design, the Rolex Oyster and created a market. And while every man and his dog might have a diver watch today, in the 1920's it was hardly a sure thing at all. Even as late as the 1960's if a man or woman were wearing a diver's watch they were almost certainly divers or swimmers and you'd not see one at a board meeting. Today they're pretty close to "dress wear" and on the watch brand marketing side that's largely down to Rolex too.

Cyrus · 24-07-2019 2:16pm

Cheaper pay the grey premium than build a relationship!

Rootsblower · 24-07-2019 2:24pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Cheaper pay the grey premium than build a relationship!

If you don’t mind a pre-owned watch.

Personally I’d prefer to buy another watch for my Mrs and have my name on warranty card than buy a grey at a premium. I was going to buy a Sub date from a grey dealer. Watch was in perfect condition all above board but the name on the warranty card not being mine turned me off.

I was talking to my wife on the subject and she said she’d never wear pre owned jewelry either but to each their own

Then again all my warranty cards and COSC certs are sealed in ziplock bags in a safe and my watch boxes are wrapped up in paper and locked in a filing cabinet in the attic with those little bags of silicone beads. BTW I’m not mad!!!

Cyrus · 24-07-2019 3:12pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

If you don’t mind a pre-owned watch.

Personally I’d prefer to buy another watch for my Mrs and have my name on warranty card than buy a grey at a premium. I was going to buy a Sub date from a grey dealer. Watch was in perfect condition all above board but the name on the warranty card not being mine turned me off.

I was talking to my wife on the subject and she said she’d never wear pre owned jewelry either but to each their own

Then again all my warranty cards and COSC certs are sealed in ziplock bags in a safe and my watch boxes are wrapped up in paper and locked in a filing cabinet in the attic with those little bags of silicone beads. BTW I’m not mad!!!

If it’s pre owned but unworn what would you care? If having your name on a plastic card is that important I can’t really help you

Eoin · 24-07-2019 3:22pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Today they're pretty close to "dress wear" and on the watch brand marketing side that's largely down to Rolex too.

Maybe in the same way that a Range Rover is no longer the preserve of well off farmers / land owners but more of an aspirational/luxury purchase (and a gravel driveway is as off-road as many get). I assume that most people back then didn't own a racing chronograph or pilot watch either, as they were specific tool watches.

I think it's as likely just a reflection that life is thankfully less formal these days in general.

Rootsblower · 24-07-2019 3:30pm

Cyrus wrote: »

If it’s pre owned but unworn what would you care? If having your name on a plastic card is that important I can’t really help you

What would I need help with?

Cyrus · 24-07-2019 4:01pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

What would I need help with?

Irrational behaviour

Rootsblower · 24-07-2019 4:18pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Irrational behaviour

I would like a 126710BLRO. The cheapest unworn example on Chrono24 is €16775 a full €7825 above retail price.

If I go to an AD and say buy my wife a nice watch or ring or bracelet worth €7825 then I have 2 nice pieces for the same money the result being I’m happy and the wife is happy, what’s irrational about that, granted I’d much rather pay retail and not have to buy anything else but I’d rather pay the extra to an Irish AD than some grey seller in Belgium

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 24-07-2019 5:04pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Today they're pretty close to "dress wear" and on the watch brand marketing side that's largely down to Rolex too.

Paul Pluta said in a recent video (he is a genius about 5% of the time) that all watches are dress watches these days. Discuss?????

On the buying new things, I dropped a Rolex in for service today. In 2 months it will be back, stickers on, warranty recharged, documents intact, as good as new and polished factory spec. Costs about 600-800 euro. The watch will be fully disassembled and re-polished and cleaned. All seals replaced and any part showing any wear or that is common to wear replaced with a new part. There will not be a single trace of any owner on the watch. I always factor this in especially if the watch is more than a few years old.

If you like the "retail experiance" more power to you, its an expensive experiance (we are not talking unobtainable Rolex here). I would always rather spend my budget on something better that has already depreciated than something new. Horses for courses.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 24-07-2019 5:07pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

I would like a 126710BLRO. The cheapest unworn example on Chrono24 is €16775 a full €7825 above retail price.

If I go to an AD and say buy my wife a nice watch or ring or bracelet worth €7825 then I have 2 nice pieces for the same money the result being I’m happy and the wife is happy, what’s irrational about that, granted I’d much rather pay retail and not have to buy anything else but I’d rather pay the extra to an Irish AD than some grey seller in Belgium

You will have to spend a lot more than €7825 to get that watch. Maybe add a zero on the end of that and they will remember you name. Its not fair but its the way it is. Also that 80k piece of jewellery is only really worth about 50k so its cheaper just pay the premium. Watches like that are a reward for customers that buy high value, high depreciation (read high profit) items.

ArphaRima · 24-07-2019 5:18pm

Samsonite 187 wrote: »

I really don't mean to come across as a troll or a dick.

But you really are in a situation of your own making.

You had good purchasing power. You bought 4 watches. All models an authorized retailer would be happy to sell and negotiate on. You went down the grey market root. Maybe got those watches at a little less.

Now you want a super duper hot watch that the whole wide world and his mother, father, brother and sister wants at retail with out ever purchasing in that shop before!!!!

Seriously??? These shops are getting thousands of emails a week asking the say thing. They literally can pick and choose who they want to sell to.

When you ask can I get a hot watch they are repling you need to build up a relationship they are 100000000% serious.

These Jewellers have thousands of clients that will buy Rolex and Patek. They don't need you. What they want is loyal local clients that buy everything from them.

To build a relationship they are not asking you to spend money on things you dont want to buy. They are saying if you fancy an omega come to us. If you want a breitling come to us. If you are buying an engagement ring come to us. If you want wedding rings come to us. We want to be your one stop Jewellers. Then if you want something hard to get no problem.

If you jump from shop to shop and support grey market retailers. Then you are the cause. Anyone that has given any money to a grey dealer is the cause of the crazy Patek and Rolex prices. If you had spent your money at authorized you would have built a relationship and 100% would be able to get those models.

Just my two cents.

That's certainly one way to put it, no matter how wrong you are!

I saved many thousands on my various watch purchases over the years. All because I was in a position to shop around.
I got 5 watches from 4 different countries, 2 from ADs, 2 from independents, and 1 from a personal seller. All bar one with my name on the papers.

I thought I was doing the right thing by refusing the excessive grey market prices, and I still do. Buying from them when it makes sense, and not when it doesnt seems the prudent thing to do. After all, my dealers didnt magic those watches into their stock; they were buying them from ADs and I was getting warranties from them.

I have some leverage with a planned purchase of watches and jewellery, I'm back in Europe and I am just trying to be strategic about this and not rush.

Personally I’d prefer to buy another watch for my Mrs and have my name on warranty card than buy a grey at a premium.

A couple of 5-10k purchases means you are just a face in the crowd.

My thinking too; but I'll see.

@AmberGold
Thanks, and I appreciate this a solid offer, but I will decline. Best of luck; I'm sure you will get more than that.

Rootsblower · 24-07-2019 5:36pm

I have bought my Mrs a nice bracelet recently to build a relationship with an AD, the bracelet was a nice few bob but it’s for her birthday. In return I will be collecting a black sub in the next few weeks, I will post pics when I get it. The total price for watch and bracelet is slightly less than what I would pay a grey reseller on this island for an unworn pre-owned Sub. I now have a relationship with the AD I have my eye on a black bay 58 maybe next year(fantastic watch) I don’t fancy a batman,Pepsi or hulk but I would like a blue dial Datejust on fluted bezel which is really hard to get at the moment so we will see.

Cyrus · 24-07-2019 5:46pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

I would like a 126710BLRO. The cheapest unworn example on Chrono24 is €16775 a full €7825 above retail price.

If I go to an AD and say buy my wife a nice watch or ring or bracelet worth €7825 then I have 2 nice pieces for the same money the result being I’m happy and the wife is happy, what’s irrational about that, granted I’d much rather pay retail and not have to buy anything else but I’d rather pay the extra to an Irish AD than some grey seller in Belgium

The nice watch or ring won’t be ‘worth ‘ 7825 that’s the point

Also spending 8k won’t move the needle in any event , from what I’ve heard buying a gold day date will get you the s/s watch you want which is a false economy unless you really want a day date at retail

Anyway you are missing the point what I said was if the watch is un worn do you really care if your name is on the plastic card that comes with it ?

Edit / what fitzgeme said

Cyrus · 24-07-2019 5:50pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

I have bought my Mrs a nice bracelet recently to build a relationship with an AD, the bracelet was a nice few bob but it’s for her birthday. In return I will be collecting a black sub in the next few weeks, I will post pics when I get it. The total price for watch and bracelet is slightly less than what I would pay a grey reseller on this island for an unworn pre-owned Sub. I now have a relationship with the AD I have my eye on a black bay 58 maybe next year(fantastic watch) I don’t fancy a batman,Pepsi or hulk but I would like a blue dial Datejust on fluted bezel which is really hard to get at the moment so we will see.

I thought you do want a Pepsi ?

I wanted the date just as well just got onto my man at watchfinder and had it in a week . Come to think of it I have built a relationship with them, my hulk , Portuguese and dj41 are all from there and they always give me excellent prices on part exchanges

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 24-07-2019 5:52pm

Blackbay 58 for sale in weirs to whoever, saw it today no relationship required, one in Applebies too and a Tudor GMT Pepsi (they have IWC, Brightling, Tudor which was news to me?). Unless its Stainless Rolex or Sports Patek your after all you need is a credit card and a smile on your face. One beauty for me of having the Rolex I want is that I can get off this flipping Rolex train and buy some "interesting" watches.

Cyrus · 24-07-2019 5:55pm

The 58 isn’t bad if only they didn’t have those rivets

I wouldn’t bother having one if I already had a sub. Sorry if it offends any one but the Tudor gmt is a shambles and is only sought after because people can’t get a blro .

And if you ask me, the jubilee belongs on the date just , looks wrong on the gmt

Samsonite 187 · 24-07-2019 5:56pm

If you buy from the grey market because you can get the not so popular models cheaper than you can at the authorized dealer. The don't complain when a grey dealer is more expensive for a hot watch.

That's the market that's the way it is and you have helped to create it.

I mean there is a guy here that was complaining that he couldn't get an Aquanaut at retail in Ireland. But he has just sold his GMT blue now for profit.

Shops don't what you doing that. That's why they are being so picky with who they sell to.

I have a friend who got engaged at Christmas. Went to his local Jewellers bought a ring for I think for 4k. Put his name down for a Sub date. Got it in 3 months. He had been on a wait list in London for a year and still hasn't heard anything.

He bought a Tudor GMT last week and even got a bit of discount.

Has his name down for a GMT batman told he will have it next year.

They didn't force him to buy anything he didn't want. He wanted those things he went in shot the **** with the sales guy had the bants. And built up a relationship.

Sales guy now knows him. Knows he is a good egg is not flipping his watches. Happy to sell to him.

It's not hard to get these watches at list.

How hard is it to get the rolex you want

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