Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’ll backfire spectacularly when he comes home from all with absolutely nothing.

It won't backfire with his base. The exercise isn't to win hearts and minds. It's to self-bestow the right to jump off the cliff with a clear conscience.

Very poor speech. Perhaps that the intention?

hotmail.com wrote: »

Very poor speech. Perhaps that the intention?

From the outside yes, but if you were a brexiteer or someone simply tired of hearing about brexit which put together would probable be a majority of the country its everything you wanted or needed to hear.


The problem we all understand is its all absolutely completely impossible to follow through on but it was still a good speech for the people it was aimed at

Matt Hancock said that this speech today by Boris Johnson was intended to have full of great detail. However; one of the newspapers journalists said on the BBC gave the opinion that this speech was incredibly light on detail. It's properly not understood though about what is going to be contained in Boris Johnson's Brexit strategy from his own government. Also can someone tell me what the by-election is for in the UK parliament?

54&56 wrote: »

I love Verhofstadt who after a meeting of MEP's today said:

“Boris Johnson will find the European parliament an open and constructive partner. I look forward to alleviating Mr Johnson’s concerns regarding the imminent accession of Turkey to the EU, following the claims of the leave campaign, whilst explaining the EU has no rules on the packaging of kippers in the UK.”

Tusk also laying down the law. "In Detail"

I can't see a clear way forward without a general election first.

positron wrote: »

Just speculating - Boris spends a lot (after borrowing from EU or Germany perhaps) and that in turn makes people feel a bit better and as if Brexit was the right thing... GBP will tank, but that's good for exporters, tax cuts for corporations, which brings in more jobs and in 5 years time so much water would have passed under the bridge and sick of discussing Brexit, thats' the new norm, and they will talk about how "great choices were made" by "visionary politicians" etc etc.

Method is his madness? Who knows?!!

If I am being honest here. If Brexit officially happens on the 31st of October. The stock markets & credit agencies based here & around the world will give Boris Johnson's government a fair & adequate response as to how their own public finances are doing when Brexit becomes official from that date. They did give a fair & adequate response in sending stock markets tumbling across the world when the referendum result of Leave was announced by the British electorate 3 years ago.

You have to look at the optics when dealing with the markets if you are in the UK. A lot of companies involved are major companies being associated with being based in the UK & investing to the UK. That brings in a lot of influence into how a country's economy is meant to have it's finances run properly. They are all saying, or making official statements to say, that Britain leaving the EU without an deal by the 31st of October will be very damaging for their own economy. Boris Johnson saying today that his government will attempt to re-negotiate a new deal by effectively tearing up the WA with a completely new deal is bordering on insane territory if you a major individual working in the global financial services industry backed up with quite a serious investment going into the country.

Anyway in other matters; Penny Mordaunt has resigned from her role as Defence Secretary. She will return to the backbenches along with Phillip Hammond & TM.

MadYaker wrote: »

I can't see a clear way forward without a general election first.

Things have yet to take another turn before a GE happens I think.
Either Johnson will request an extension (really annoying his base) (after either failing to get the EU to renegotiate or failing to get the HoC to accept May's deal), or a vote of No Confidence will be called and passed, or they do actually leave without a deal.

Don't think there is anything to initiate a GE before something like one of the above happens and any one of them will be very interesting.

A GE will be significant firstly on what happens with Labour and whether JC is leading them in to it or not (will influence the mandate they campaign under) and depending on Labours position, the degree to which the Tories align themselves with or morph in to the Brexit Party.

Tell me how wrote: »

Things have yet to take another turn before a GE happens I think.
Either Johnson will request an extension (really annoying his base) (after either failing to get the EU to renegotiate or failing to get the HoC to accept May's deal), or a vote of No Confidence will be called and passed, or they do actually leave without a deal.

Don't think there is anything to initiate a GE before something like one of the above happens and any one of them will be very interesting.

A GE will be significant firstly on what happens with Labour and whether JC is leading them in to it or not (will influence the mandate they campaign under) and depending on Labours position, the degree to which the Tories align themselves with or morph in to the Brexit Party.

There are many who think Johnson is actually plotting for a snap general election, that this is the real plan. Tony Connelly is one such person and he said this afternoon that plenty in the EU think this is what Johnson is up to.

Roger_007 wrote: »

Probably her phone didn't ring; realised she wasn't going to get a cabinet job and resigned before she was sacked or demoted.

A quick flick through twitter would seem to point to the fact that the press are finding out about MPs being sacked from cabinet before the MPs themselves.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Penny Mordaunt & Liam Fox were sacked from the British government.

The i Newspaper reports that 9 ministers of TM's government have been sacked by Boris Johnson.

Karen Bradley is also gone, a move that will, in an unusual turn of events, probably be greeted with delight by all parties in the north

BBC's reporting about Johnson's speech:

Boris Johnson’s approach to Brexit sounded very tough, with little room for manoeuvre.
A “new” deal without the “anti-democratic” Irish backstop to be agreed by 31 October - no ifs or buts - and it will be the EU’s fault if there’s no deal.
At first listen, some European diplomats were horrified. Others are combing through the text of his speech to find any wriggle room.
Might Mr Johnson’s concerns be met by providing some additional reassurance around the Withdrawal Agreement?
Could the Political Declaration be ripped up and replaced with something that looks like a more hands-off free trade agreement, with no customs union or alignment to EU rules?
At least they will be cheered by his intention to get moving quickly, rather than leaving things to the last minute - hence the terse letter of congratulation from the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, saying he looked forward to hearing the new prime minister’s plans “in detail.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-49073992

I'd say Johnson's plan is all unicorns and evidently it's the EU's fault if he doesn't get it.