Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Leroy42 · 23-07-2019 10:27AM

Could an option for Johnson be to follow the line of the US, in that debt means nothing really. Simpy borrow their way out of the problems?

So borrow Bns to cover over the loss due to No Deal, borrow to spend money on police, schools etc. Sure the price will have to paid eventually, but he is looking at the short term.

If No Deal goes as some say (badly) he could be gone in a few months. Borrow massively and he extends he time he gets to be PM, and feck the consequences. Yu would have people like IDS, JRM etc all saying that No Deal was a success, the Project Fear failed again.

Lackadaisical · 23-07-2019 10:30AM

The US has a lot more latitude to borrow because the US$ is an absolutely gigantic interchange currency and economy. The Euro also has some of that kind of clout, albeit a lot newer and less established, it's still quite powerful and the Eurozone economy's absolutely huge.

If the UK were to go on a borrowing spree or printing money you'd be into an immediate Sterling crisis.

The UK could end up learning the *very* hard way that it is not the USA, nor is it equivalent to the EU.

sink · 23-07-2019 10:32AM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

From Jon Snow.. reporting from Unicorn land.

https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/1153400045825384453

I've heard many reports that this is entirely inaccurate. The US offered joint naval patrols in the Straight of Hormuz but this was rejected by the UK because they did not want to be seen taking the same position as the US on Iran. This was before Iran seized the oil tanker. Now the US is still offering full support but wants they UK to join it sanctions regime and potentially back military action in the future should Iran break sanctions. The UK is again rejecting the US overture and want to cooperate with it's European allies in finding a more diplomatic solution i.e. a way for Iran to climb down in return for greater sanctions relief.

jem · 23-07-2019 10:34AM

a lot of talk about some of the tory's helping libs and lab to stop no-deal brexit and they in effect have stopped borris from effectivly closing HOC.
But surly if he calls a general election in say mid october they will ineffect automatically crashout on 31st

Purgative · 23-07-2019 10:37AM

Just seen YT clip where its suggested that if Bojo gets it, there could be enough Tory defections (six) to deny him the premiership.

Interesting times.

VinLieger · 23-07-2019 10:47AM

jem wrote: »

a lot of talk about some of the tory's helping libs and lab to stop no-deal brexit and they in effect have stopped borris from effectivly closing HOC.
But surly if he calls a general election in say mid october they will ineffect automatically crashout on 31st

The EU have previously stated that in the case of a GE there could be another extension, its not guaranteed but definitely possible

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 10:49AM

If Johnson asks for an extension it’s the political end for him and the conservatives I’d say.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 11:14AM

Education Minister Anne Milton has resigned.
How many more will go I wonder?

Seth Brundle · 23-07-2019 11:16AM

Education minister Anne Milton has become the latest Conservative MP to resign from government ahead of the announcement of the party's new leader

In a letter to Prime Minister Theresa May, Milton says she has "grave concerns about leaving the EU without a deal".

The Guildford MP adds: "I believe strongly that parliament should continue to play a central role in approving a deal, and that we must leave the EU in a responsible manner."

https://news.sky.com/story/live-jeremy-hunt-or-boris-johnson-to-be-named-new-conservative-party-leader-11768682?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

edit: slow interwebs here - Stop moaning ffs posted before me

swampgas · 23-07-2019 11:22AM

sink wrote: »

I've heard many reports that this is entirely inaccurate. The US offered joint naval patrols in the Straight of Hormuz but this was rejected by the UK because they did not want to be seen taking the same position as the US on Iran. This was before Iran seized the oil tanker. Now the US is still offering full support but wants they UK to join it sanctions regime and potentially back military action in the future should Iran break sanctions. The UK is again rejecting the US overture and want to cooperate with it's European allies in finding a more diplomatic solution i.e. a way for Iran to climb down in return for greater sanctions relief.

Have you a source for that? (I have no problem believing it).

The UK may well find themselves badly caught out as they try to stay on good diplomatic terms with both the US and the EU. The US were pretty up front that the Uk was of less use to them politically (in terms of influencing world affairs) outside the EU rather than inside it. The UK will find themselves sidelined to a greater and greater extent as they head towards hard Brexit and splendid isolation.

Harry Palmr · 23-07-2019 11:29AM

So that's four resignations isn't it?

ancapailldorcha · 23-07-2019 11:30AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So that's four resignations isn't it?

Only from the government. They are still MP's.

23-07-2019 11:32AM

And it’ll take 6 resignations?

What time is the leadership announcement?

ilovesmybrick · 23-07-2019 11:32AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

And it’ll take 6 resignations?

What time is the leadership announcement?

In about ten minutes

Harry Palmr · 23-07-2019 11:33AM

re ancapailldorcha

Yes but as I said before they might not feel any need to back the government they've resigned from.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 11:33AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

And it’ll take 6 resignations?

What time is the leadership announcement?

Next few minutes.
Followed by a speech

BobbyBobberson · 23-07-2019 11:39AM

Are people watching coverage on Sky or BBC? Iain Dale close to declaring his love for BJ on Sky.

Nody · 23-07-2019 11:41AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

edit: slow interwebs here - Stop moaning ffs posted before me

Not often things line up as well like this on boards :P

Sorry for the side note but it was simply comedy gold.

sink · 23-07-2019 11:48AM

swampgas wrote: »

Have you a source for that? (I have no problem believing it).

I can't find one that spells it out, it's just my reading from information sourced from many articles and online discussions.

US Central Command said it was developing a multinational maritime effort in response to the situation.

But the UK's protection mission would not include the US because, Mr Hunt insisted, Britain was not part of President Trump's policy of "maximum pressure" on Tehran.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49076294

But Hunt also stressed a desire to “deescalate” the situation. The U.K., which remains committed to salvaging the Iran nuclear deal, will likely hesitate to reimpose sanctions against Iran lifted as part of the agreement.

The country has also not yet confirmed if it will join the “multinational maritime effort,” dubbed Operation Sentinel, being planned by U.S. Central Command “to increase surveillance of and security in key waterways in the Middle East to ensure freedom of navigation in light of recent events in the Arabian Gulf region.”

https://time.com/5631460/stena-impero-britain-iran/

robinph · 23-07-2019 11:49AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

And it’ll take 6 resignations?

They would still need to vote against the party though, but I think there are probably already enough senior backbenchers who would be voting against.

BobbyBobberson · 23-07-2019 11:55AM

I keep hearing that Boris Johnson is loved across the south and in London. Lived in London for years and he is far from universally loved in the city.

Tell me how · 23-07-2019 11:56AM

So they've had an extension to the time of the announcement.
Sounds familiar.

johnnyskeleton · 23-07-2019 11:58AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Everyone sensible hopes Brexit will never happen, but there is an upside for the EU to a hard Brexit - it will be an utter shambles for the UK and a very clear demonstration to all leavers/nationalists/chancers that EU membership is really valuable.

Well if the no dealers are believeable about reducing their schedule, the EU will still be able to trade into the UK with zero tarrifs while collecting tarrifs on UK goods and services. So the german car manufacturers wont be tarrifed selling to the UK but UK manufacturers will be. The only downside is the obvious reduction in demand as no one in the UK will be able to afford German cars anyway due to the exchange rates and damage to manufacturing it will bring.

Canada have the right of it - why would they bothering giving the UK a Free Trade Deal if the UK plans on zero tarrifs and checks for the world anyway!

VinLieger · 23-07-2019 12:00PM

The absolute lies coming out of the chairmans mouth "This campaign showed the best of our party and how united behind a single purpose we are"

Adamcp898 · 23-07-2019 12:03PM

Pleas to be be “kinder”.......

robinph · 23-07-2019 12:03PM

Boris was just checking his pocket for his speech. Hunt is far better at the fake smile though.

Tell me how · 23-07-2019 12:04PM

VinLieger wrote: »

The absolute lies coming out of the chairmans mouth "This campaign showed the best of our party and how united behind a single purpose we are"

Or the line thanking Theresa May for leading the country over the last 3 years "Something which was never going to be an easy task"

Or asking

"can we be nicer to our next PM than we were to our last and showing people including BJ clapping to that"

Or praising the in depth process which the election took.
The EU are watching this through gritted teeth.

Loafing Oaf · 23-07-2019 12:04PM

Tories pick a ninny!:P

Larbre34 · 23-07-2019 12:05PM

VinLieger wrote: »

The absolute lies coming out of the chairmans mouth "This campaign showed the best of our party and how united behind a single purpose we are"

I wonder is that creating division or creating chaos? Either way, well done to all.

EKRIUQ · 23-07-2019 12:05PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

If Johnson asks for an extension it’s the political end for him and the conservatives I’d say.

I don't think so, not even close, the ordinary man in the street doesn't even know what happening and a lot if them think they have already left. It's going to hurt the conservatives but at this stage the hurt has already been done.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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