BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

Qrt · 16-07-2019 10:01pm

Last Stop wrote: »

Based on that summary unfortunately, I don’t see much improvement
-B and F spines were already 6 minute frequencies. Anything higher than this is virtually impossible with buses. Especially given both are not fully segregated all the way into city centre
-if the Dunboyne is still a feeder bus to Blanch then it doesn’t offer much improvement although it does reduce the number of routes which is a plus.
-lots more low frequency radial routes is actually a disaster pandering to the NIMBY crowd
-Winetavern st is one way northbound so how are the going to solve that? If they make it 2 way the liffey cycle scheme will be fun. At Christchurch it’s too tight to be two way given the amount of traffic going down the hill.

All in all while it’s good that they have made progress, from the highlights here it’s arguably a step backwards

I really have to disagree with this point. While the revision may be a case of old habits, the improvement to orbital routes is revolutionary by Dublin's standards - especially to those outside the M50. I really can't underestimate how much a route as simple as the O will improve the city.

L1011 · 16-07-2019 10:03pm

cgcsb wrote: »

C4 will take a straighter route past Weston aerodrome and both C1 and C2 will continue to terminate at st John's near Sydney parade. All of the c branches appear to be now at a lower mid day frequency

The C4 former route was sensible - merge the 66B, give a route Celbridge-Leixlip (although the 254 I think does that anyway) - but REALLY unpopular.

Lower frequency will not be popular. The proposals last time around were much lower than current frequency at high peak and justified by assumptions about future train capacity/speed and integrated ticketing for transfers at Hazelhatch and Confey

Thrashssacre · 16-07-2019 10:04pm

I’m kinda interested to see some of these granny routes and how prevalent they are in the next phase, looking forward to seeing the map now and weather it’s an improvement on the earlier version overall.

Qrt · 16-07-2019 10:11pm

Thrashssacre wrote: »

I’m kinda interested to see some of these granny routes and how prevalent they are in the next phase, looking forward to seeing the map now and weather it’s an improvement on the earlier version overall.

I can't think of many possibilities other than Edenmore. Obviously there's loads more but I really do not recall much protest in the likes of Firhouse or Tymon North.

jd · 16-07-2019 10:15pm

cgcsb wrote: »

except for the N6 which is completely gone in the

I'd guess the N6 on the western side will be replaced by a "granny route" from Shanliss in Santry, taking the current Beaumont detour that slows up the 16, and heading on into town from there. You know, I think that route rings a bell somewhere

cgcsb · 16-07-2019 10:28pm

Spines:
A northside;
A4 will start in swords in the same place as now but will then take a more direct route via what was to be the 262 route. It bypasses the airport and joins the spine at Whitehall. The A1 finishes at Beaumont hospital via Lorcan ave instead of continuing to Clongriffin. The A2 is the same. The A3 continues past DCU and turns onto shanlissroad and terminates at shanowen road

A southside;
The same more less except A2 and A3 are switched and A4 continues all the way to Nutgrove SC

All A buses will take O'Connell st, College Green and George's st in the city centre

B:
B1 and B2 are the same. The new B3 starts at Dun Laoghaire stn and continues via rock road and joins the B spine at St Vincints. On the north side It leaves Blanch SC and serves Tyrellstown via castlecurragh heath and church rd. The B4 starts in Sallynoggin and joins the B3 at Monkstown rd. It's unclear where the B4 ends, perhaps a drafting error.

C spine:
C4 will take a straighter route past Weston aerodrome and both C1 and C2 will continue to terminate at st John's near Sydney parade. All of the c branches appear to be now at a lower mid day frequency

D Spine South:

So the D3 went into Clondalkin via Watery rd and turned North onto 9th lock road and then Bawnogue. The new D3 will enter Clondalkin by Watery Road and continue south, then turn north onto Fonthill road and onto Bawnogue and terminate at St Cuthbert's. The D1 will start at Grifeen Avenue, take in the Grange Castle road and serve Grangecastle business park, then the D1 will take New Nangor Road and bypass clondalkin village and join up with D3 at Watery Rd/New Nangor and continue towards the city as the current D3 does. D2 is the same except it continues on Blessington Rd and serves Jobstown and Citywest Rd, terminating at Kingswood avenue. D4 will follow the D2 route to Tallaght and continue along Blessington road and loop around Killinarden heights and terminate at Kiltipper way. D5 follows D4 and D2 past the M50 then turns o serve Castletymon, Avonmore, Main st and terminates in Tallaght

D Spine North:

D3 is the same, D2 terminates on Clare Hall road shortly after turning off the Malahide Rd, D1 continues to the station via main street

D4 splits off at Ardlea Rd and serves Skelly's lane, Beaumont hospital and terminates at Coolock Lane

D5 splits of and serves McAuley Rd, HArmonstown Rd, Edenmore, Milbrook Rd and finishes at Blunden Drive in the same was as the previously planned 279. In this case they've basically added radial routes where a local feeder was panned.

E spine is the same except E1 starts at IKEA

F Spine North
All F buses start at Charlestown
The new F1 is the same as the F3 in the previous plan.
The New F3 will go through the main street, across mellows road, cardiffsbridge road, st helana's rd and back to the main spine.
The New F2 goes through Barry Rd, Mellows rd and then straight down Finglas road to the main F spine

F Spine South
The Spine is longer before with all F buses staying the same as far as Kimmage Rd/Terenure Rd W
F1: Fortified Rd, Cypress Grove, Firhouse Road, Ballycullen Road, Old Bawn, Firhouse, Whitestown Way, Tallaght
F2: Whitehall Rd, Glendown Ave, Wellington Lane
F3: Kimage, Cromwellsfort, St peter's Rd, St James Rd

G spine is the same but G1 continues, crosses the M50 and then turns south ant terminates at the red cow. In the City it turns onto wine tavern st and up the quays terminating at Spencer dock

H Spine:
Starts with a Talbot st/Abbey st loop, Amien St, Fairview, Howth Rd

H1: All Saints Rd, Raheny Station, Raheny Rd, Grange Rd down to the coast and then red arches rd to finish at Clongriffin station
H2 and H3 continue on Howth Road with H3 serving Howth Summit. H2 diverts by the coast road and up to Malahide.

Orbitals:
O and W4 remain the same as do all orbitals more/less except for the N6 which is completely gone in the new plan and the S7 which also gone, and a more frequent S6 is in place.

Other radials:

10 and 12 are mostly the same except in the Centre they go via Westland Row, Pears/Sandwith st, Gardener St and terminate at Parnell Square. There is also a new route, 11, which is the same as the 12 except it continues to Enniskerry. The 10 is also extended from Sandyford luas across Blackthorn rd, over the M50, Sandyford village, Blackglen rd and finishes at Ticknock Park. Route 232 is gone.

16 is the same except it starts at Parnell Square and takes O'Connell st, College Green and back to the same route. The 16 will be higher frequency, every 10 mins mid day.

14 Liffey Valley to Ballinteer is the same except from Churchtown rd upper it goes: Beaumont Ave, Barton rd, Nutgrove way, Brehon field Rd. The 14 is also up to 10 minutes freq at mid day.

15: will start at Mountjoy Sq, Gardiner St, Westland Row, Stephen's Green, Earlsfort terrace, Richmond, Rathmines, Kennilworth, Sundrive, Stannaway, St Agnes Park, Whitehall Rd west, Limekiln Rd, 20-25 mins

20 will go through College Green, O'Connell Bridge, The Quays and a loop around east wall road, east road and new wapping st. 20 will be joined by the new 22 from here out as far as the SSR. The 20 continues as present but diverts by St Agnes rd, cromwellsfort, Ballymount, over the M50, Kingswood luas, Sylvan Dr, Cookstown rd and finish in tallaght. The longline is gone and it's now all the same frequency. 22 splits form the 20 at SSR then goes: Herberton rd, keeper rd, Galtymore Rd, finishing at the Cooley Rd triangle

New 23 is the same as the previous 22 except it operates via mourne road, SSR, Thomas St, College Green, O'Connell St, Parnell St and back to same route

*Annoyingly this leaves the Bolton st/King st area busless.

Instead of 7b and 7a the new routes will be 7 and 8, they'll start at Merrion Square and take: Pearse/Sandwith, College Green, Christchurch, Church St and on the same route as the previos 7b/a. The 7 will take the former a branch and terminate at Charlestown. The 8 will serve Charlestown and then serve St MArgaret's road, airport road and terminate at the airport. This gives the Finglas area a more direct airport link, which is welcome.

The 37/35 will be replaced by the 34/35, both at higher frequency. At the Blanch end the 34 will be the same as the previous 37, the 35 will turn right off main street ant serve Waterville, corduff and Blackcourt before terminating at the shopping centre. On the southern end, both routes go past Parnell square and serve: O'Connell, Kildare st, Stephen's Green, Leeson St, Burlington Rd.

Route 36 will be the same except it bypasses Broombridge station and uses Ratoath road. In the city centre it will use O'Connell, Pearse, Merrion Sq, Mount St, Northumberland rd and finish in Ballsbridge.

Route 60 is gone

Route 64 remains the same.

63 is replaced by the 93 at the same frequency. The route remains the same except it continues to serve Rathcool and the higher frequency 242 is scrapped, giving Rathcoole lower frequency but a direct bus to the centre. Closer to town it takes South Circular road, Conningham road and the quays and finishes in the port

Completely New Radials:

82, Glen Ellen Road, Swords Main street and then same as the A4 until it turns onto Gardiner St, Pearse/Sandwith, Westland Row and finish at Merrion Sq

97, new low frequency granny route to compliment the 34/35/36, it'll start in Parnell Sq and follow the 34/35 and turn off new cabra road, do a loop around Carnlough Rd, nephin rd, navan rd and finish in Ashington park

94, New Lw frequency granny route to compliment the E spine. Starting at Ikea, it takes Ballbutcher lane south to the Ballymun rd then down the ballymun rd, quick detour onto Collins ave, dellville rd, st canices rd and back onto the Ballymun rd, Home farm rd, Drumcondra, and a finish in Parnell sq,

96, brace yourselves for this one: Beaumont hosp, Kilbarron ln, Kilmore rd, Skellys lane, Beaumont rd, Collins ave, Killester, Blackheath park, castle ave, fairview, amien st, Abbey/Talbot st finish.

95, exactly the same as the G spine until it gets to Ballyfermot, then it takes Decies Rd, Kylemore rd, goes north of Ballyfermot rd briefly and then serves Clifton rd and Cherry orchard, not sure why this isn't just given a G number for simplicity.

98 Starts at Mountjoy Square; Gardiner st, Pearse/Sandwith, Merrion SQ, Mount St, Northumberland, Rock Rd, Glenegeary Rd, Sallynoggin Rd, Rochestown ave, Churchview Rd, Loughlinstown dr,

213 is basically replacing the current 47 but terminating in Ringsend.

I'll update further later

Last Stop · 16-07-2019 10:46pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Unfortunately for your assessment, this is not the reality. I can have a bus pass me full in the mornings, and a 15d or 14 will follow a moment or so later and stop. I have never had to wait more than 10mins for a bus (except in catastrophic traffic) in approx. 10 years.

Winetavern St widens to almost four lanes at present at the bottom of the hill i.e. where it matters from a traffic point of view. And in any case, Dublin's private motorists are undeserving of any more road space.

You’re missing the point. Where you are has multiple bus routes pass you so the frequency of individual routes is rather irrelevant. On individual routes it is virtually impossible to have a frequency of less than 10 minutes without bunching meaning that the advertised frequency is different to the one on the ground. So if you are waiting on a specific bus, they won’t be evenly spaced. This also has knock on consequences on the scheduling services. Take the 17 for example, which has a rather low frequency but due it often gets caught in traffic which means that the next departure from the terminus is delayed and so on. This is increasingly likely on higher frequencies. There is very little that can be done about it, it’s just one of the drawbacks of buses as a mode of transport. Which is why when you are getting to a stage where you require such high frequencies, you should really consider higher capacity modes much as BRT p, Luas or Metro.

Again you’re not getting the point, removing one of the two lanes at the top of Winetavern will have knock on consequences down High St, Patrick St and Dame St. It’s all well and good saying screw the motorists but the proposed Busconnects does not have the capacity to cater for every commuter and having traffic back up will cause the buses to slow as well.

jd · 16-07-2019 10:47pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Spines:

E spine is the same except E1 starts at IKEA

That's a shame if it can't be routed through Northwood because of the issue with private ownership of the roads there. There was some discussion amongst the various OMCs about Fingal Co Co taking in charge the main roads there and perhaps it should be pursued again. Northwood Avenue and Road are de facto public Roads these days.

Last Stop · 16-07-2019 10:50pm

Qrt wrote: »

I really have to disagree with this point. While the revision may be a case of old habits, the improvement to orbital routes is revolutionary by Dublin's standards - especially to those outside the M50. I really can't underestimate how much a route as simple as the O will improve the city.

I agree with your point regarding orbitals. However my point was a comparison between the current proposal and the new in which case it is a step back.

What I find even more frustrating is that there is not a single orbital infrastructure project. Even simply painting a bus lane on the SCR would make a huge difference to the quality of the O route. Until then though that route is doomed to failure. Coupled with its impossible a route through Heuston and the alarm bells are ringing for me.

CatInABox · 16-07-2019 10:52pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Orbitals:
O and W4 remain the same as do all orbitals more/less except for the N6 which is completely gone in the new plan and the S7 which also gone, and a more frequent S6 is in place.

Hardly surprising that the N6 is being removed when half of it is going to be a new spine.

Qrt · 16-07-2019 11:50pm

cgcsb wrote: »

O and W4 remain the same as do all orbitals more/less except for the N6 which is completely gone in the new plan and the S7 which also gone, and a more frequent S6 is in place. The granny buses do mean some curtailment of more useful routes unfortunately but in general the network has improved frequency and more connections but is more difficult to navigate at a glance.

I expected the S6/7 thing tbh, it was always an odd routing. I assume Firhouse will be served by one of the non-spine radials so?

jd wrote: »

That's a shame if it can't be routed through Northwood because of the issue with private ownership of the roads there. There was some discussion amongst the various OMCs about Fingal Co Co taking in charge the main roads there and perhaps it should be pursued again. Northwood Avenue and Road are de facto public Roads these days.

The 69 currently runs along Bianconi Avenue in Citywest, a road which has "private road" clearly stated beneath the road sign. Interesting legal conundrum though.

Last Stop wrote: »

I agree with your point regarding orbitals. However my point was a comparison between the current proposal and the new in which case it is a step back.

What I find even more frustrating is that there is not a single orbital infrastructure project. Even simply painting a bus lane on the SCR would make a huge difference to the quality of the O route. Until then though that route is doomed to failure. Coupled with its impossible a route through Heuston and the alarm bells are ringing for me.

Apologies for the first part, but I think we all knew the first proposal was doomed. It was/is just too radical, especially for peak hours.

I only just looked at the O's Heuston alignment. How I missed that sh*tshow I'll never know. Two bus routes down Steeven's Lane? Mental tbh. But I think it's better to have a "failing" route rather than no route at all.

Qrt · 16-07-2019 11:52pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Spines:
A northside;
A4 will start in swords in the same place as now but will then take a more direct route via what was to be the 262 route. It bypasses the airport and joins the spine at Whitehall. The A1 finishes at Beaumont hospital via Lorcan ave instead of continuing to Clongriffin. The A2 is the same. The A3 continues past DCU and turns onto shanlissroad and terminates at shanowen road

Do you've any idea what the service around Priorswood will be like? It was meant to be served by the A1, but if that's being curtailed to Beaumont...

howiya · 17-07-2019 12:08am

Also interested to see the route of the A1 at the Beaumont end and how it goes via lorcan avenue. I think it was originally to go via the hospital and take the route of the 14 as far as the junction with Collins Avenue where it would turn right like the current 16.

I'm guessing the D spine has been altered to somehow include the 14 if the N6 has been scrapped?

jd · 17-07-2019 12:14am

Qrt wrote: »

The 69 currently runs along Bianconi Avenue in Citywest, a road which has "private road" clearly stated beneath the road sign. Interesting legal conundrum though.
.

Re Northwood, the Estate owners make a point of closing the entrance to/from Santry Avenuemost nights.

Qrt · 17-07-2019 12:32am

jd wrote: »

Re Northwood, the Estate owners make a point of closing the entrance to/from Santry Avenuemost nights.

That’s fairly odd, how do you get in and out if you’re a resident? It gives off Belfast vibes.

jd · 17-07-2019 9:26am

Qrt wrote: »

That’s fairly odd, how do you get in and out if you’re a resident? It gives off Belfast vibes.

From Ballymun Road, or the Swords Road.

cgcsb · 17-07-2019 10:40am

cgcsb wrote: »

Spines:
A northside;
A4 will start in swords in the same place as now but will then take a more direct route via what was to be the 262 route. It bypasses the airport and joins the spine at Whitehall. The A1 finishes at Beaumont hospital via Lorcan ave instead of continuing to Clongriffin. The A2 is the same. The A3 continues past DCU and turns onto shanlissroad and terminates at shanowen road

A southside;
The same more less except A2 and A3 are switched and A4 continues all the way to Nutgrove SC

All A buses will take O'Connell st, College Green and George's st in the city centre

B:
B1 and B2 are the same. The new B3 starts at Dun Laoghaire stn and continues via rock road and joins the B spine at St Vincints. On the north side It leaves Blanch SC and serves Tyrellstown via castlecurragh heath and church rd. The B4 starts in Sallynoggin and joins the B3 at Monkstown rd. It's unclear where the B4 ends, perhaps a drafting error.

C spine:
C4 will take a straighter route past Weston aerodrome and both C1 and C2 will continue to terminate at st John's near Sydney parade. All of the c branches appear to be now at a lower mid day frequency

D Spine South:

So the D3 went into Clondalkin via Watery rd and turned North onto 9th lock road and then Bawnogue. The new D3 will enter Clondalkin by Watery Road and continue south, then turn north onto Fonthill road and onto Bawnogue and terminate at St Cuthbert's. The D1 will start at Grifeen Avenue, take in the Grange Castle road and serve Grangecastle business park, then the D1 will take New Nangor Road and bypass clondalkin village and join up with D3 at Watery Rd/New Nangor and continue towards the city as the current D3 does. D2 is the same except it continues on Blessington Rd and serves Jobstown and Citywest Rd, terminating at Kingswood avenue. D4 will follow the D2 route to Tallaght and continue along Blessington road and loop around Killinarden heights and terminate at Kiltipper way. D5 follows D4 and D2 past the M50 then turns o serve Castletymon, Avonmore, Main st and terminates in Tallaght

D Spine North:

D3 is the same, D2 terminates on Clare Hall road shortly after turning off the Malahide Rd, D1 continues to the station via main street

D4 splits off at Ardlea Rd and serves Skelly's lane, Beaumont hospital and terminates at Coolock Lane

D5 splits of and serves McAuley Rd, HArmonstown Rd, Edenmore, Milbrook Rd and finishes at Blunden Drive in the same was as the previously planned 279. In this case they've basically added radial routes where a local feeder was panned.

E spine is the same except E1 starts at IKEA

G spine is the same but G1 continues, crosses the M50 and then turns south ant terminates at the red cow. In the City it turns onto wine tavern st and up the quays terminating at Spencer dock

Will cover other spines tomorrow

Orbitals:
O and W4 remain the same as do all orbitals more/less except for the N6 which is completely gone in the new plan and the S7 which also gone, and a more frequent S6 is in place.

Will cover the other radials and locals tomorrow

Update on D spine as above

Qrt · 17-07-2019 10:51am

cgcsb wrote: »

Update on D spine as above

Forgive me if I’m reading it wrong, but if the proposed D2 is only going up the N81 and turning right onto Citywest Road, then it’s not really serving Jobstown at all. Any indication how the current 27’s route will be served around Cheeverstown Road, Brookfield Road, Fortunestown Way and Jobstown Road? It’s not like it’s a lightly travelled route...

I think I may have misunderstood this; so the D2 will now continue past the current 27/proposed D2 terminus, turn towards Blessington, then head down Citywest Road towards Kingswood Avenue? It sounds like a fair meander, but nothing near the current Killinarden AND Seskin View/Tymon North meanders currently on the 77a.

Interesting development nonetheless.

Riskymove · 17-07-2019 11:56am

cgcsb wrote: »

Spines:
C spine:
C4 will take a straighter route past Weston aerodrome and both C1 and C2 will continue to terminate at st John's near Sydney parade. All of the c branches appear to be now at a lower mid day frequency

I presume by this you mean that the celbridge bus will now not be redirected to leixlip but follow current path to N4?

Heartbreak Hank · 17-07-2019 11:57am

Did Jarrett Walker + Associates have a part to play in this phase or is it just NTA and the councils?

TheChrisD · 17-07-2019 1:52pm

Last Stop wrote: »

-if the Dunboyne is still a feeder bus to Blanch then it doesn’t offer much improvement although it does reduce the number of routes which is a plus.

from the highlights here it’s arguably a step backwards

As a resident of Dunboyne, I would definitely say that any increased frequency leaving the village is most definitely NOT a step backwards! We currently get two buses an hour off-peak (one 70, one 270), and they're not even synced to be on the opposite ends of the clockface...

Anything that gives us more options about what time we're departing the village is very much appreciated and a massive bonus; especially as two buses serving the route could mean a bus every 15 minutes.

cgcsb wrote: »

The new B3 starts at Dun Laoghaire stn and continues via rock road and joins the B spine at St Vincints. On the north side It leaves Blanch SC and serves Tyrellstown via castlecurragh heath and church rd. The B4 starts in Sallynoggin and joins the B3 at Monkstown rd. It's unclear where the B4 ends, perhaps a drafting error.

Did they really incorporate my suggestion to make the southside of the proposed 7 into a B route? :eek:

As for the B4, given it's the farthest running route on the southside, I would not be surprised if it runs only to Blanch SC.

cgcsb · 17-07-2019 2:20pm

Riskymove wrote: »

I presume by this you mean that the celbridge bus will now not be redirected to leixlip but follow current path to N4?

The C4 will go through Lucan village onto the N4 briefly and then on the R403 straight to Celbridge.

cgcsb · 17-07-2019 2:21pm

TheChrisD wrote: »

As for the B4, given it's the farthest running route on the southside, I would not be surprised if it runs only to Blanch SC.

I suspect this is the case.

Riskymove · 17-07-2019 2:32pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The C4 will go through Lucan village onto the N4 briefly and then on the R403 straight to Celbridge.

I was talking about heading into city direction but that answers it anyway I assume

thanks

dublinman1990 · 17-07-2019 3:10pm

Hi cgcsb. I would like to ask for more information about the B3/B4, the S6 & the new granny routes if you don't mind.

Are the new B routes from Dun Laoghaire & Sallynoggin being used as direct replacements from the proposed 7 spine from Dun Laoghaire Stn to Charlestown SC?

How are these new B routes join up in Monkstown Rd? You did not mention the B4 going through Dun Laoghaire in your replies.

I would assume here by some of them that the new B4 route from Sallynoggin would take part of the current 111 route from Sallynoggin roundabout down as far as the church on York Rd & turn left down the old 8 route past CBC Monkstown & then turn right at the roundabout onto Carrickbrennan Rd into Monkstown Village. Correct?

Also:

What is the proposed frequency of the new B3/B4?
What area of Sallynoggin is the terminus for the new B4?
Will the new B routes stick to using the Blackrock by-pass in either direction?
Will Newtown Avenue be covered with an alternative bus route?

On the S6. Does this route remain unchanged as before? Are their alternative routes created in place to cover the areas being cut off from the scrapped S7?

Now; about these new 'granny' routes.

Could you give us more detail about these new routes work?

How many of them are there in these new proposals?

Can you give us a fair idea of what are the lengths of them & the level of frequency given to them on a general basis?

My own assessment on these new granny routes so far is that there hasn't been any new information on what type of buses that will be used on them. The NTA, to date, have only released an official tender on public record, via their own website & the e-tenders website, for 600 Hybrid double deck buses over 5 years. They have not mentioned anything yet about ordering a fresh amount of new single deckers for these if they are needed for these new granny routes. To properly assess the demand of these new routes in these proposals. Would the NTA have any new detailed plans in future to order new single deck buses via the e-tender's website?

Stephen15 · 17-07-2019 3:26pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I would like to ask for more information about the B3/B4, the S6 & the new granny routes if you don't mind.

Are the new B routes from Dun Laoghaire & Sallynoggin being used as direct replacements from the proposed 7 spine from Dun Laoghaire Stn to Charlestown SC?

How are these new B routes join up in Monkstown Rd? You did not mention the B4 going through Dun Laoghaire in your replies.

I would assume here by some of them that the new B4 route from Sallynoggin would take part of the current 111 route down as far as the church on York Rd & turn left down the old 8 route past CBC Monkstown & then turn right at the roundabout onto Carrickbrennan Rd into Monkstown Village. Correct?

My own guess would be that the B4 will be a replacement for the current number 4 and will continue with the same routing as the 4 as far as TEK Roundabout then head up Abbey Road as far as Baker's Corner onto Rochestown Avenue past the front of the Rehab and continue on to Sallynoggin.

I'm not sure where in Sallynoggin would be a suitable terminus the best place I could think of as a terminus in that area would be outside Killiney SC as buses could layover at the stop outside the shopping centre and use the roundabout to turn around to go back out for a northbound trip. That would seem like the most logical move for me and it was something I suggested at the time of the consultation.

cgcsb · 17-07-2019 3:26pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Spines:
A northside;
A4 will start in swords in the same place as now but will then take a more direct route via what was to be the 262 route. It bypasses the airport and joins the spine at Whitehall. The A1 finishes at Beaumont hospital via Lorcan ave instead of continuing to Clongriffin. The A2 is the same. The A3 continues past DCU and turns onto shanlissroad and terminates at shanowen road

A southside;
The same more less except A2 and A3 are switched and A4 continues all the way to Nutgrove SC

All A buses will take O'Connell st, College Green and George's st in the city centre

B:
B1 and B2 are the same. The new B3 starts at Dun Laoghaire stn and continues via rock road and joins the B spine at St Vincints. On the north side It leaves Blanch SC and serves Tyrellstown via castlecurragh heath and church rd. The B4 starts in Sallynoggin and joins the B3 at Monkstown rd. It's unclear where the B4 ends, perhaps a drafting error.

C spine:
C4 will take a straighter route past Weston aerodrome and both C1 and C2 will continue to terminate at st John's near Sydney parade. All of the c branches appear to be now at a lower mid day frequency

D Spine South:

So the D3 went into Clondalkin via Watery rd and turned North onto 9th lock road and then Bawnogue. The new D3 will enter Clondalkin by Watery Road and continue south, then turn north onto Fonthill road and onto Bawnogue and terminate at St Cuthbert's. The D1 will start at Grifeen Avenue, take in the Grange Castle road and serve Grangecastle business park, then the D1 will take New Nangor Road and bypass clondalkin village and join up with D3 at Watery Rd/New Nangor and continue towards the city as the current D3 does. D2 is the same except it continues on Blessington Rd and serves Jobstown and Citywest Rd, terminating at Kingswood avenue. D4 will follow the D2 route to Tallaght and continue along Blessington road and loop around Killinarden heights and terminate at Kiltipper way. D5 follows D4 and D2 past the M50 then turns o serve Castletymon, Avonmore, Main st and terminates in Tallaght

D Spine North:

D3 is the same, D2 terminates on Clare Hall road shortly after turning off the Malahide Rd, D1 continues to the station via main street

D4 splits off at Ardlea Rd and serves Skelly's lane, Beaumont hospital and terminates at Coolock Lane

D5 splits of and serves McAuley Rd, HArmonstown Rd, Edenmore, Milbrook Rd and finishes at Blunden Drive in the same was as the previously planned 279. In this case they've basically added radial routes where a local feeder was panned.

E spine is the same except E1 starts at IKEA

F Spine North
All F buses start at Charlestown
The new F1 is the same as the F3 in the previous plan.
The New F3 will go through the main street, across mellows road, cardiffsbridge road, st helana's rd and back to the main spine.
The New F2 goes through Barry Rd, Mellows rd and then straight down Finglas road to the main F spine

F Spine South
The Spine is longer before with all F buses staying the same as far as Kimmage Rd/Terenure Rd E
F1: Fortified Rd, Cypress Grove, Firhouse Road, Ballycullen Road, Old Bawn, Firhouse, Whitestown Way, Tallaght
F2: Whitehall Rd, Glendown Ave, Wellington Lane
F3: Kimage, Cromwellsfort, St peter's Rd, St James Rd

G spine is the same but G1 continues, crosses the M50 and then turns south ant terminates at the red cow. In the City it turns onto wine tavern st and up the quays terminating at Spencer dock

H Spine:
Starts with a Talbot st/Abbey st loop, Amien St, Fairview, Howth Rd

H1: All Saints Rd, Raheny Station, Raheny Rd, Grange Rd down to the coast and then red arches rd to finish at Clongriffin station
H2 and H3 continue on Howth Road with H3 serving Howth Summit. H2 diverts by the coast road and up to Malahide.

Orbitals:
O and W4 remain the same as do all orbitals more/less except for the N6 which is completely gone in the new plan and the S7 which also gone, and a more frequent S6 is in place.

Other radials:

10 and 12 are mostly the same except in the Centre they go via Westland Row, Pears/Sandwith st, Gardener St and terminate at Parnell Square. There is also a new route, 11, which is the same as the 12 except it continues to Enniskerry. The 10 is also extended from Sandyford luas across Blackthorn rd, over the M50, Sandyford village, Blackglen rd and finishes at Ticknock Park. Route 232 is gone.

16 is the same except it starts at Parnell Square and takes O'Connell st, College Green and back to the same route. The 16 will be higher frequency, every 10 mins mid day.

14 Liffey Valley to Ballinteer is the same except from Churchtown rd upper it goes: Beaumont Ave, Barton rd, Nutgrove way, Brehon field Rd. The 14 is also up to 10 minutes freq at mid day.

15: will start at Mountjoy Sq, Gardiner St, Westland Row, Stephen's Green, Earlsfort terrace, Richmond, Rathmines, Kennilworth, Sundrive, Stannaway, St Agnes Park, Whitehall Rd west, Limekiln Rd, 20-25 mins

20 will go through College Green, O'Connell Bridge, The Quays and a loop around east wall road, east road and new wapping st. 20 will be joined by the new 22 from here out as far as the SSR. The 20 continues as present but diverts by St Agnes rd, cromwellsfort, Ballymount, over the M50, Kingswood luas, Sylvan Dr, Cookstown rd and finish in tallaght. The longline is gone and it's now all the same frequency. 22 splits form the 20 at SSR then goes: Herberton rd, keeper rd, Galtymore Rd, finishing at the Cooley Rd triangle

New 23 is the same as the previous 22 except it operates via mourne road, SSR, Thomas St, Parnell St and back to same route

I'll update further later

further bump

Evil_g · 17-07-2019 3:29pm

cgcsb wrote: »

F Spine South
The Spine is longer before with all F buses staying the same as far as Kimmage Rd/Terenure Rd E
F1: Fortified Rd, Cypress Grove, Firhouse Road, Ballycullen Road, Old Bawn, Firhouse, Whitestown Way, Tallaght
F2: Whitehall Rd, Glendown Ave, Wellington Lane
F3: Kimage, Cromwellsfort, St peter's Rd, St James Rd

Do you mean Kimmage Rd/Sundrive Rd?

Qrt · 17-07-2019 3:46pm

Evil_g wrote: »

Do you mean Kimmage Rd/Sundrive Rd?

I thought he meant the KCR

Evil_g · 17-07-2019 3:48pm

Qrt wrote: »

I thought he meant the KCR

F3 should go down Sundrive Road and then turn onto Stannaway.

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