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Shannon Water not Neded if Dublin Leaks Fixed

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    #32
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,641 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    i advocate for the polluted pays principle.

    2 billion + would have replaced a fair few pipes which did nothing but leak 365 days a year.

    Might have saved us 4 billion.

    But sure there is no crack in actually tackling the problem.


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    #33
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,843 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    regarding already paying for water infrastructure through general taxation...how do i put this?

    it's clearly not e-****ing-nough. thats why all other developed nations, including the Scandinavian socialist utopias chsrge by usage.

    not really true, they simply waste far too much on welfare etc . A pathetic rate of LPT...


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    #34
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,641 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    not really true, they simply waste far too much on welfare etc.
    Ireland's pending on social protection when calculated per head of population comes in as just under €8.500 per year as of 2016....while Norway spend €18,650.

    10 grand more. Bloody Scandinavians. *shakes fist*.

    Fits nicely with my point about our shower picking and choosing which figures to make their "point".


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    #35
    Dyr
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    Does Shannon recieve Dublin taxpayers money?

    STFU and hand over the water. 'Tis ours


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    #36
    Boggles
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Does Shannon recieve Dublin taxpayers money?

    It's the River Shannon not Shannon Town.


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    #37
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    They say that water is one of (or one of the next) big commodities. Corporations etc are buying up natural resources in the States, and globally, displacing and discommoding the natives/ locals.

    Thankfully we have plenty, but I'd rather the pipes around Dublin are fixed, before Shannon water is pumped halfway across the country, disturbing the environment, only for half of it to be lost on the way.

    Seems logical to fix shoddy old pipes first and then taking a look at the situation. If it's not done now, then when?


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    #38
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    Bambi wrote: »
    Does Shannon recieve Dublin taxpayers money?

    STFU and hand over the water. 'Tis ours

    The Shannon actually rises in west cavan. Given that fracking is planned to commence again just over the border in fermanagh the water could be useless in a few years anyway


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    #39
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    careless sherpa wrote: »
    The Shannon actually rises in west cavan. Given that fracking is planned to commence again just over the border in fermanagh the water could be useless in a few years anyway

    Is that right? I thought it was blocked.
    I'm completely 100% against fracking, terrible, awful practice.

    So the UK want to frack in NI, and dump nuclear waste there... Brilliant, thanks lads.


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    #40
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    No urban network is 100% leak free. If we reduce to 30% leakage, we'd be in line with the rest of Europe. There is still a requirement for more water. Realistically there'll be 3 million people in Greater Dublin in 2040, most of that growth will be in Meath and Kildare.


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    #41
    Boggles
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    Plenty water there if they fix the leaks. Pumping more water through ****ty leaky pipes is absolute madness, what about the quality? There is also other alternatives than draining the Shannon and pumping it a 100 miles.

    The project was costed at 720m now it's 1.3 Billion.

    What figure does it have to go to before someone sensible shouts "stop"?


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    #42
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,278 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Thankfully we have plenty
    At the moment. What if there is climate change that alters that?
    I'd rather the pipes around Dublin are fixed
    Dublin City Council started a pipe replacement project years before Irish Water was formed.
    Boggles wrote: »
    There is also other alternatives than draining the Shannon
    It will only take a few percent of the water in the Shannon.


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    #43
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Victor wrote: »
    Dublin City Council started a pipe replacement project years before Irish Water was formed.

    They aren't making very good progress.


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    #44
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Boggles wrote: »
    draining the Shannon

    Ya lost me there. :rolleyes:


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    #45
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Why not bring Irish Water under the ESB ownership, rename it as Irish Electricity and Water, add 250 quid to the PSO levy, let Paul Murphy and his ilk squirm and put that money into our pipework.


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    #46
    odyssey06
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    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    Why not bring Irish Water under the ESB ownership, rename it as Irish Electricity and Water, add 250 quid to the PSO levy, let Paul Murphy and his ilk squirm and put that money into our pipework.

    Well Irish Water was originally given to Bord Gais because of their nationwide experience with a utility billing system. And yet...

    IRISH Water's controversial €50m spend on consultants occurred despite explicit government instructions to rely on existing expertise within Bord Gais during its establishment, a leaked confidential report has shown.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-water-spent-50m-despite-order-to-use-bord-gais-expertise-29910029.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #47
    branie2
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    Who's talking wet?


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    #48
    oceanman
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    they want to pump water from the Shannon but they don't want to fix the leaky pipes that's causing the water shortage in the first place!..only in Ireland.


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    #49
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,278 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Well Irish Water was originally given to Bord Gais because of their nationwide experience with a utility billing system. And yet...

    IRISH Water's controversial €50m spend on consultants occurred despite explicit government instructions to rely on existing expertise within Bord Gais during its establishment, a leaked confidential report has shown.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-water-spent-50m-despite-order-to-use-bord-gais-expertise-29910029.html
    They had to sell off Bord Gáis Energy.
    oceanman wrote: »
    they don't want to fix the leaky pipes
    What's your basis for saying this?
    that's causing the water shortage in the first place!
    Were Summer 2018's shortage caused by hot, dry weather or leaky pipes.


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    #50
    Boggles
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    Victor wrote: »
    Were Summer 2018's shortage caused by hot, dry weather or leaky pipes.

    There wouldn't have been a shortage if 50% of it wasn't píssing out of leaky pipes.


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    #51
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    oceanman wrote: »
    they want to pump water from the Shannon but they don't want to fix the leaky pipes that's causing the water shortage in the first place!..only in Ireland.

    Its the equivalent of you or I filling a bucket, and because there's a hole in it you turn the tap on harder.

    You couldn't make this stuff up. Fix the leaks, then fix the consumption (charge for excessive use), then look at where you are at re Shannon, not the opposite order.


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    #52
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,641 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    This "pipeline" seems to be more of a concept than an actual plan.

    When the guy from Irish Water in the video was asked about cost, he squirmed and gave the red flag answer "he wouldn't be drawn on it".

    Yip this is going straight to the PAC if it gets the go ahead.


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    #53
    flazio
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    There's already two water lines running from the Shannon to Dublin. The Royal Canal and the Grand Canal.


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    #54
    Wanderer78
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    Logistical nightmare to try fix all leaks in Dublin, but for pure conservation reasons, makes absolute sense. Not a hope it ll be done though, on a large scale, so the Shannon it is


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    #55
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    So at what stage do we fess up to the logistical nightmare that it is, when the pipe is nearly gone?


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    #56
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,842 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    PhilOssophy wrote:
    So at what stage do we fess up to the logistical nightmare that it is, when the pipe is nearly gone?


    Who knows, but maybe, we don't tend to do the right thing, when it comes to environmental matters, but the relatively easiest and quickest, we re pretty damn good at this can kicking approach


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    #57
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Who knows, but maybe, we don't tend to do the right thing, when it comes to environmental matters, but the relatively easiest and quickest, we re pretty damn good at this can kicking approach

    No votes to be had in fixing pipes I suppose.


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    #58
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Is that right? I thought it was blocked.
    I'm completely 100% against fracking, terrible, awful practice.

    So the UK want to frack in NI, and dump nuclear waste there... Brilliant, thanks lads.

    Yes they are beginning exploratory drilling again in Belcoo. Will be a phased approach to avoid the bulk of the resistance that stopped them the first time. Or so they hope. They are also recommencing near Blackpool after the earth tremors the last time


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    #59
    Wanderer78
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    PhilOssophy wrote:
    No votes to be had in fixing pipes I suppose.


    Yea it gets complicated when the political process is involved, but I'd imagine chasing leaks in the Dublin region would be complex, time consuming, highly disruptive, and damn expensive, taking all of the above into account, it's understandable why the Shannon approach is favoured by some, but it makes little or no sense environmentally


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    #60
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    flazio wrote: »
    There's already two water lines running from the Shannon to Dublin. The Royal Canal and the Grand Canal.
    The pressure along the canals may be a little lower than required.
    Also I assume that they have NHA and/or SPA status.


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    #61
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Yea it gets complicated when the political process is involved, but I'd imagine chasing leaks in the Dublin region would be complex, time consuming, highly disruptive, and damn expensive, taking all of the above into account, it's understandable why the Shannon approach is favoured by some, but it makes little or no sense environmentally

    If the govt did right they'd ring fence a tonne of money for pipe repair and get it done in the next downturn. At the moment, any contractor worth their salt is flat out. It'd provide employment during a downturn as well.


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