Irishman set to be deported from the US

MadYaker · 15-07-2019 12:07PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

He's married to an American there a few ways he could have gotten a green card, he didn't even begin the process despite being in the country for over a decade. I'm in favor of immigration but it has to be regulated and controlled via laws. We can't ignore the laws just because the guy has a family. There is a naturalisation process that he could have used to legalize his status, he chose not to do that and that's his fault not the systems.

dudara · 15-07-2019 12:07PM

ddarcy wrote: »

Well all the libtards cant get over them self’s on this

Quit the immflamtory comments. It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.

dudara

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:08PM

ddarcy wrote: »

I’ll make it worse for you.

Here are facts you won’t like but I’ll state them anyways.

1. I’m US born and bred.
2. I came to Ireland to live and work - LEGALLY
3. I applied for citizenship - LEGALLY
4. I lived in Ireland and committed NO CRIMES
5. I paid all dues and was granted citizenship by the letter of the law.

He has failed 2-5. I have no sympathy. Furthermore it’s people like him that are causing legitimate immigrants from entering the USA.

So I have no sympathy at all and he is hurting others by his actions.

But the liberals can’t pull their heads out of their arses to see night from day.

Make it worse for me? I have no sympathy for him either. I haven't throughout the thread.

What liberals? There is one person who has stood up for him?

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 12:08PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a case of "copping on"; it's a case of making the point: this is not new. Illegal aliens have been deported under all presidents, but the brutality of it was escalated under Trump.

Brutality.
No it’s because it’s in the lime light. It was always brutal. No matter what.
Blaming a president because you don’t like how honest he is is just sad. Secondly it has sweet fück all to do with any of you. He’s not our president.

Techlit · 15-07-2019 12:09PM

is it true you can stay in california for as long as you like?

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 12:10PM

Libtards are generally referred to the really idiotic liberals. Which is a high percentage of them.
No different than calling someone that’s right wing a redneck. Difference is most of us right wing don’t care about a libs opinion.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 12:11PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Brutality.
No it’s because it’s in the lime light. It was always brutal. No matter what.
Blaming a president because you don’t like how honest he is is just sad. Secondly it has sweet fück all to do with any of you. He’s not our president.

I'm not blaming him for anything. I simply said it was happening. It's been happening.

Again, my point is that Deportaion. Is. Not. New.

As for "brutality", I don't remember any previous president - democrat or republican - authorising separating children from parents and locking them in cages.

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:12PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Libtards are generally referred to the really idiotic liberals. Which is a high percentage of them.
No different than calling someone that’s right wing a redneck. Difference is most of us right wing don’t care about a libs opinion.

Or the meaning of words apparently.

CoBo55 · 15-07-2019 12:12PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

A go fund me page has been set up for him.really?i lost my phone last night while out of my mind drunk, i think ill set up a go fund me page as well.

Brilliant!! I drank the electric bill money last night if there's an overun can you give me a dig out?

Berserker · 15-07-2019 12:12PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Obama's policy was to concentrate on new arrivals, criminals and turning away people on the border. Trump lacks that kind of sophistication.

Yes, nothing happening at the border with Mexico. The man in the article is a criminal, so he would have been suitable for deportation under Obama strategy also.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 12:13PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Libtards are generally referred to the really idiotic liberals. Which is a high percentage of them.
No different than calling someone that’s right wing a redneck. Difference is most of us right wing don’t care about a libs opinion.

So by that logic, a high percentage of right wingers are rednecks. Well, at least you're consistent.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 12:15PM

MadYaker wrote: »

He's married to an American there a few ways he could have gotten a green card, he didn't even begin the process despite being in the country for over a decade. I'm in favor of immigration but it has to be regulated and controlled via laws. We can't ignore the laws just because the guy has a family. There is a naturalisation process that he could have used to legalize his status, he chose not to do that and that's his fault not the systems.

Apparently he has tried but he can’t because of a previous conviction, which if it really is just for some minor drug thing is incredibly unfortunate. Handing out criminal convictions for minor drug offenses does more harm than good.

Charles Babbage · 15-07-2019 12:18PM

The coverage of this implies that the family will be 'broken up'. This is rather offensive as it implies that the family would rather break up than just move to Ireland. Ireland is prosperous and not dangerous, being sent there is not a death sentance.

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:21PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The coverage of this implies that the family will be 'broken up'. This is rather offensive as it implies that the family would rather break up than just move to Ireland.

I would say it's more to tug on the heartstrings and stop the deportation. Although I don't see how, I would hope Irish politicians would not be involved.

splinter65 · 15-07-2019 12:21PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a case of "copping on"; it's a case of making the point: this is not new. Illegal aliens have been deported under all presidents, but the brutality of it was escalated under Trump.

Brutality? What brutality is there in this case?

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 12:23PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So by that logic, a high percentage of right wingers are rednecks. Well, at least you're consistent.

And what’s wrong with that
What is actually wrong with being called a redneck. I hunt and fish so by your liberal logic I am a redneck. But I had dispute with you before over Hunting on a separate page so I won’t go back there. Because it doesn’t bother me. Because I’m not soft because I’m not a liberal that bases his life on feelings instead of facts.

splinter65 · 15-07-2019 12:25PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not blaming him for anything. I simply said it was happening. It's been happening.

Again, my point is that Deportaion. Is. Not. New.

As for "brutality", I don't remember any previous president - democrat or republican - authorising separating children from parents and locking them in cages.

Putting undocumented children in a cage to protect them until you can establish who their legal but undocumented guardians are in a place full of unaccompanied undocumented males is very sensible.
The alternative is far too risky.

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:26PM

dodderangler wrote: »

And what’s wrong with that
What is actually wrong with being called a redneck. I hunt and fish so by your liberal logic I am a redneck. But I had dispute with you before over Hunting on a separate page so I won’t go back there. Because it doesn’t bother me. Because I’m not soft because I’m not a liberal that bases his life on feelings instead of facts.

Are you from the Southern US or Appalachia, if not then you are not a redneck.

is_that_so · 15-07-2019 12:28PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's all a bit silly.

There is a process in the US to regularize your situation. He would likely have qualified had it not been for these "minor" drugs incidents they referred to. I don't know how minor they are but other than that, he would likely have been fine and well on his way to owning a US passport.

I don't read it as your man looking for extra extra special treatment. But sure he probably knows dozens of people himself who were in the same boat (sans historical drugs issues) and got regularized.

He may have but having been rejected several times he should at least have been considering the possibility that he might need to do something else. Canada is a much nicer country!

is_that_so · 15-07-2019 12:34PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I would say it's more to tug on the heartstrings and stop the deportation. Although I don't see how, I would hope Irish politicians would not be involved.

Politicians that matter won't. There'll be sympathy and offer of consular support but not much else.

whisky_galore · 15-07-2019 12:35PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Putting undocumented children in a cage to protect them until you can establish who their legal but undocumented guardians are in a place full of unaccompanied undocumented males is very sensible.
The alternative is far too risky.

You could put the males in a cage though.

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 12:38PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are you from the Southern US or Appalachia, if not then you are not a redneck.

Tell that to the liberals then

tomwaits48 · 15-07-2019 12:45PM

Absolutely no sympathy for him.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 12:58PM

dodderangler wrote: »

And what’s wrong with that
What is actually wrong with being called a redneck. I hunt and fish so by your liberal logic I am a redneck. But I had dispute with you before over Hunting on a separate page so I won’t go back there. Because it doesn’t bother me. Because I’m not soft because I’m not a liberal that bases his life on feelings instead of facts.

Hang on - this is YOUR definition of a redneck, not mine!!

I'm not bothered by the name, it's the ignorance of using a deragatory phrase in place of an argument that bothers me. I mean, calling conservatives rednecks is just as ignorant (and that was YOUR phrase, NOT mine)/

When you come into a debate with no argument and just want to call people names, it's pretty much trolling, isn't it?!

splinter65 wrote: »

Putting undocumented children in a cage to protect them until you can establish who their legal but undocumented guardians are in a place full of unaccompanied undocumented males is very sensible.
The alternative is far too risky.

That's what the Christian Brothers said when they took kids from unmarried mothers: but who protects them from the protectors?

(Hypothetical question btw - when you condone child abuse and neglect in this way and try and pass it off as being ethical, I'm not sure I want to know what your answer to that is)

Bob24 · 15-07-2019 01:04PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Apparently he has tried but he can’t because of a previous conviction, which if it really is just for some minor drug thing is incredibly unfortunate. Handing out criminal convictions for minor drug offenses does more harm than good.

All of this is pure speculation though. There has been no evidence provided or acknowledgement by US or Irish authorities that the refusal was solely due to the conviction or that the conviction was a minor one (minor is a subjective term anyway, for all we know he and his wife could genuinely think that reselling drugs a few times in your life is a minor offence and US authorities could beg to disagree).

Il Fascista · 15-07-2019 01:13PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's what the Christian Brothers said when they took kids from unmarried mothers: but who protects them from the protectors?

(Hypothetical question btw - when you condone child abuse and neglect in this way and try and pass it off as being ethical, I'm not sure I want to know what your answer to that is)

One is fiction the other is reality. Children actually get trafficked across the border, or are you doubting that too? Impressive how you manage to get some Catholic Church bashing into your post.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 01:14PM

Bob24 wrote: »

All of this is pure speculation though. There has been no evidence provided or acknowledgement by US or Irish authorities that the refusal was solely due to the conviction or that the conviction was a minor one (minor is a subjective term anyway, for all we know he and his wife could genuinely think that reselling drugs a few times in your life is a minor offence and US authorities could beg to disagree).

The Irish Times reports it was two charges related to cannabis possession. If it was anything serious you’d be able to google his name and find the court reports from his conviction.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 01:19PM

Il Fascista wrote: »

One is fiction the other is reality. Children actually get trafficked across the border, or are you doubting that too? Impressive how you manage to get some Catholic Church bashing into your post.

I'm doubting the reason that splitting up families and putting children in cages is for the child's safety.

I never mentioned the Catholic church, I mentioned the Christian Brothers. Or are you claiming that they never hurt a child either?

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 01:19PM

Doesn't matter if the conviction was minor or not, those are the rules and the US has the right to decide who lives in their country. It is quite well known that a drug conviction will cause you difficulties with emigration in the US.

You can't just let people stay because they have kids or it encourages everyone to have kids to stay there.

Bob24 · 15-07-2019 01:35PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The Irish Times reports it was two charges related to cannabis possession. If it was anything serious you’d be able to google his name and find the court reports from his conviction.

Not really, they are not reporting it as fact. The Irish Times are just quoting his wife saying that their "efforts to secure residency have been hampered by two separate charges of personal use of cannabis from when he was younger in Ireland". The paper is in no way putting its name behind the veracity of that statement.

And by the way even if we are to take what she says as gospel, we are talking about a repeat offence (and regardless of the offence, the simple fact of repeating it after being caught once makes the case to call it "minor" way more difficult).

Irishman set to be deported from the US

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