Biggest Hurling Shocks

PlayByTheRules · 08-07-2019 11:24am #1

Where would the Laois victory yesterday rank?
They were 12/1 pre-game to win AFAIK.

PTH2009 · 08-07-2019 11:30am

2010- Antrim beating Dublin
1993- Kerry beating Waterford
Didnt Roscommon beat Wexford

Prob a few from old NHL campaigns. Didnt Clare after they won the AI in 1995 lose too a weaker county in the following league ???.

PlayByTheRules · 08-07-2019 11:53am

I suppose we have to stay focused on Champo here. There have been a good few League surprises alright.

jr86 · 08-07-2019 12:01pm

Antrim beat Wexford in under 21 a few years ago

In senior Offaly and Cork 2000 was a huge upset at the time for a bigger game. That said Offaly won an AI only two years earlier but seemed well past their best in 00. It definitely was a massive shock, I - and most pundits and fans alike - felt Cork were absolute certainties for the 2 in a row. Offaly went on to be well beaten in the final

Powerhouse · 08-07-2019 12:03pm

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Where would the Laois victory yesterday rank?
They were 12/1 pre-game to win AFAIK.

I don't think it's a big a shock as some are making out. These teams were in the same division in the League and Dublin won that match by just two points, and Laois finished above Carlow. With Dublin having a few injuries and Laois scoring heavy in the Joe McDonagh final it was always a possibly sticky game for Dublin.

bruschi · 08-07-2019 12:05pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

2010- Antrim beating Dublin
1993- Kerry beating Waterford
Didnt Roscommon beat Wexford

Prob a few from old NHL campaigns. Didnt Clare after they won the AI in 1995 lose too a weaker county in the following league ???.

I dont ever recall Roscommon and Wexford playing hurling. Nor ever heard of it. I'm nearly sure they beat Waterford though. In around 83 or so Waterford were in a very low position in the league and played Roscommon and Mayo etc. I knew a guy from Roanmore that was on the team at the time.

Wexford lost to Meath in 95 prior to winning the All Ireland the subsequent year.

Scoundrel · 08-07-2019 12:12pm

Antrim beating Offaly in 1989 has to be up there.

Westmeath got to a Leinster final in 1937 must have been a few shocks along the way.

Nic_Col · 08-07-2019 12:13pm

1989 All-Ireland semi final where Antrim hammered Offaly would be the biggest in my opinion.

beggars_bush · 08-07-2019 12:31pm

Roscommon beat Wexford in 1984 Centenary Cup (hurling)

The_Kew_Tour · 08-07-2019 1:13pm

Clare beating Cork in 1993
Wexford beating Kilkenny in 2004 were surprise results

Tell me how · 08-07-2019 1:15pm

Scoundrel wrote: »

Antrim beating Offaly in 1989 has to be up there.

Westmeath got to a Leinster final in 1937 must have been a few shocks along the way.

Yeah. Nicky English scored more than the entire Antrim team in the subsequent All Ireland which gives you an idea of where Antrims level actually was.

C__MC · 08-07-2019 1:16pm

I think yesterday's result was the biggest upset in my lifetime. Mind you laois bet Dublin in 2005 and ran them close in the league.

C__MC · 08-07-2019 1:17pm

Was there ever a connact championship in hurling?
Where the hell did the Ulster one go?

Stationmaster · 08-07-2019 1:19pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

2010- Antrim beating Dublin
1993- Kerry beating Waterford
Didnt Roscommon beat Wexford

Prob a few from old NHL campaigns. Didnt Clare after they won the AI in 1995 lose too a weaker county in the following league ???.

Kerry beat Clare 5/6 weeks after the all ireland in 95 in the first round of the league. Bit of a shock but it was the league and away trips that time were usually an excuse for a piss up the night before the match whenever it was a so called 'weaker' county that you were visiting - it certainly was that night for the Clare lads anyway.

In championship Antrim beating Offaly in 89 would be the biggest shock that I've witnessed.

mountgomery burns · 08-07-2019 1:19pm

C__MC wrote: »

I think yesterday's result was the biggest upset in my lifetime. Mind you laois bet Dublin in 2005 and ran them close in the league.

Been a lot of money and decent underage teams in Dublin since plus a league title in 2011 and Leinster in 2013. Waterford played both Laois and Dublin in the qualifier group that year and having been at both games, Laois were much better than Dublin.

Gael85 · 08-07-2019 1:20pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

2010- Antrim beating Dublin
1993- Kerry beating Waterford
Didnt Roscommon beat Wexford

Prob a few from old NHL campaigns. Didnt Clare after they won the AI in 1995 lose too a weaker county in the following league ???.

Kerry beat Clare in league in 95.

Stationmaster · 08-07-2019 1:21pm

C__MC wrote: »

Was there ever a connact championship in hurling?
Where the hell did the Ulster one go?

God yea, the connaught championship was around until not so long ago (mid 90's anyway). It was usually just a final between Galway and Roscommon that I can remember. Wasn't there one year that Joe Rabbitte got an awful belt on the end from a wild pull that was played endlessly on The Sunday Game at the time?

TCM · 08-07-2019 1:35pm

Tell me how wrote:

Yeah. Nicky English scored more than the entire Antrim team in the subsequent All Ireland which gives you an idea of where Antrims level actually was.

It was at the level that they got to the All -Ireland final.

jr86 · 08-07-2019 1:41pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Clare beating Cork in 1993
Wexford beating Kilkenny in 2004 were surprise results

Wexford beating Tipp in 2008 I think it was too

I think that was their annus horribilis under Babs Keating, but Wexford were at a serious low ebb at the time

If I recall correctly the All Ireland semi between Wexford and KK was actually a curtain raiser for an All Ireland quarter final replay, such was the inevitability about the result

funkey_monkey · 08-07-2019 1:50pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah. Nicky English scored more than the entire Antrim team in the subsequent All Ireland which gives you an idea of where Antrims level actually was.

That was a good Antrim team though. They never turned up for the final. In 1991 they should have beaten Kilkenny in the SF and were a better team than in 89.
Playing in Leinster underage helped them to get there. Unfortunately they are nowhere now.

beggars_bush · 08-07-2019 3:51pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

That was a good Antrim team though. They never turned up for the final. In 1991 they should have beaten Kilkenny in the SF and were a better team than in 89.
Playing in Leinster underage helped them to get there. Unfortunately they are nowhere now.

The bigger hurling counties down south basically forgot about them since the mid nineties

blackcard · 08-07-2019 6:04pm

Antrim beating Kilkenny in the 1943 AI semi final would have to be up there

mountgomery burns · 08-07-2019 6:21pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

The bigger hurling counties down south basically forgot about them since the mid nineties

What does this mean?

Edgware · 08-07-2019 6:47pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

The bigger hurling counties down south basically forgot about them since the mid nineties

Thats because Antrim gave them nothing to remember them by

funkey_monkey · 08-07-2019 7:11pm

TBF Antrim clubs are usually there or thereabouts at the club semi finals these days.
Loughguiel got over the line twice and Cushendall were beaten in final by a Na Pairsaigh team that no-one could handle that year. This year they should have at least taken St Thomas to extra time.
Dunloy reached the final 4 times, without success.

At the county level, only having won one cup* (Christy Ring in 2006) since the hurling was split is a poor return and they were mid table in this years McDonagh Cup.

*Not counting Walsh Cup in 2008.

Stacksofwacks · 08-07-2019 7:58pm

Kerry beating Waterford in 93 was a huge shock at the time because the previous year Waterford had won the U21 All Ireland and got to the minor final so were seen as a team on the rise with exciting young prospects like Tony Browne and Paul Flynn. But they took their eye off the ball down Walsh park and lost to a couple of late goals. I think actually this affected the team for a good few years after that with subsequent poor championship performances until their breakthrough in 1998.The manager of kerry on that day was none other than John Meyler.

Stacksofwacks · 08-07-2019 8:11pm

Offaly beating Kilkenny in 1980 leinster final was a big shock though they had been threatening a breakthrough the few years before that. Amazingly they would go onto win 9 Leinster titles in the next 15 years including 4 All Irelands

patmac · 08-07-2019 8:58pm

Westmeath beating Eddie Brennan’s Kilkenny in the U-21 a couple of years ago has to be the biggest shock I know of. Hurling has so few surprises because of the huge gaps in history, culture etc,

BQQ · 08-07-2019 9:24pm

jr86 wrote: »

Antrim beat Wexford in under 21 a few years ago

In senior Offaly and Cork 2000 was a huge upset at the time for a bigger game. That said Offaly won an AI only two years earlier but seemed well past their best in 00. It definitely was a massive shock, I - and most pundits and fans alike - felt Cork were absolute certainties for the 2 in a row. Offaly went on to be well beaten in the final

Certainties for 2 in a row?
Go away out of that

They only won the final the year before by a point and would have had to play the same team if they had beaten Offaly

Anyway, as you say yourself, Offaly had won an all-ireland only 2 years before
Cork were favourites for sure, but everyone knew Offaly were capable on their day

Antrim making the final in 1989 was the biggest that I remember

beggars_bush · 08-07-2019 9:58pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

What does this mean?

Look at the format of every competition in the last 20 years

mountgomery burns · 08-07-2019 10:07pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

Look at the format of every competition in the last 20 years

No thanks. Would you see much difference in how Galway and Antrim have been treated in that time?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the42.ie/antrim-u21-hurling-kevin-ryan-1081220-Sep2013/%3famp=1

Excerpt:

stations,” Kevin Ryan jokes as he tots up the 500 or so miles it takes to make the round-trip from his home in Waterford to Ballymena.

The first evening he took training with Antrim’s U21 hurlers, only six or seven players turned up. Two nights before their All-Ireland semi-final against Wexford, it was a bit better.

They had 14.

(I would suggest this has a lot more to do with their struggles than "the man" keeping them down)

conor05 · 09-07-2019 12:54am

Edgware wrote: »

beggars_bush wrote: »

The bigger hurling counties down south basically forgot about them since the mid nineties

Thats because Antrim gave them nothing to remember them by

Except loughgiel shamrocks beating Na piarsaigh of Limerick and Coolderry of Offaly in 2012 to win the All Ireland senior club

Sonny678 · 09-07-2019 2:23am

The 3 biggest shocks in Hurling

1 Offaly beating kilkenny in 1980. It was a massive shock at the time and one og the all time great hurling shocks, if not the greatest

2 Antrim beating Offaly in 1989 again a massive shock at the time that no one saw coming again one of the all time great shocks

3 Galway beating Cork in 1975 was a massive shock at the time. People might be surprised by this one but before this , drawing Galway was always seen as an easy game for Tipp Cork or kilkenny . Galway would have renaissance after this win but before it Galway were not seen as top hurling county. The win v Cork is the turning point in modern Galway hurling. And Cork would go onto to win a 3 in row.

jr86 · 09-07-2019 10:12am

BQQ wrote: »

Certainties for 2 in a row?
Go away out of that

They only won the final the year before by a point and would have had to play the same team if they had beaten Offaly

Anyway, as you say yourself, Offaly had won an all-ireland only 2 years before
Cork were favourites for sure, but everyone knew Offaly were capable on their day

Antrim making the final in 1989 was the biggest that I remember

Like with anything, its very difficult to put it properly into context 19 years later

Most will look at the records and say, well Offaly won an AI in 98 they can't have been too bad 2 years later, but they had been thumped by KK in 99 and 00 Leinster finals and 98 had a real last hurrah feel to it. Like how KK had an awful campaign in 17, and won an AI in 15

Cork in 00 were like Limerick this year. Kind of came from nowhere in 99 and then picked up where they left off and looked even better the year after.

It was a huge shock at the time.

And Cork were definitely most people's favourites for the AI. Kilkenny hadn't won an All Ireland in about 7 years at this stage, remember (two other Leinster teams had won it in their time). They hadn't come into their 00s pomp yet at all at that stage

EICVD · 09-07-2019 10:49am

You’d think Dublin were a hurling powerhouse the way everyone reacted to the weekend. It’s a real shame Laois lost to Cork in the football, could have given them a right good hammering as revenge on Saturday.

mistermiyagi · 09-07-2019 11:08am

Offaly beating Cork in 2000-hardly a shock. The semi final meeting in 99 was one of the greatest semis ever in terms of pure hurling, only a puck of a ball between them at the end.
Cork were on an upward curve at the time of the 2000-semi, Offaly probably down, but still plenty hurling in them.
Cork were favs yes, and it did upset the odds, but not a huge shock. A bit like Cork beating Tipp in the 1990 Munster Final.

Waterford losing at home to Kerry in 93, Cork losing to Clare same year, Offaly losing to Antrim 89 the biggest in my lifetime. Laois beating Dublin right up there.

jr86 · 09-07-2019 11:09am

EICVD wrote: »

You’d think Dublin were a hurling powerhouse the way everyone reacted to the weekend. It’s a real shame Laois lost to Cork in the football, could have given them a right good hammering as revenge on Saturday.

Yeah in fairness I'd say if Laois could have picked a top 9 side to play, they would have picked Dublin every time, although I think they would have rattled waterford too if they played them this year

Dublin probably haven't built up enough experience or know-how, when they're underperforming, to put away sticky teams like Laois. Probably missing a real top class forward who would essentially beat them on their own also

I'd say this game will be forgotten by many from a few years time tbh, I don't really see it being on the seismic scale in terms of shocks tbh. remember Dublin only won 1 game out of 6 (against the other 3 decent Leinster sides) in this new format. Only made one AI semi in my lifetime

County hurling doesn't really lend itself to massive surprises. Imagine a McDonagh side beating a Cork, KK or Tipp in their pomp.

mistermiyagi · 09-07-2019 11:18am

I don't think anyone is saying Dublin are a hurling powerhouse! It doesn't have to involve a 'powerhouse' to be a shock.
But, this Dublin team are handy enough, more or less knocked Galway out of the championship, drew with Wex, v close to beating KK the last 2 Leinsters.
Laois didn't even make the final of the Joe McDonagh a year ago. They bridged a serious gap in beating Dublin.

jr86 · 09-07-2019 11:23am

mistermiyagi wrote: »

Offaly beating Cork in 2000-hardly a shock. The semi final meeting in 99 was one of the greatest semis ever in terms of pure hurling, only a puck of a ball between them at the end.
Cork were on an upward curve at the time of the 2000-semi, Offaly probably down, but still plenty hurling in them.
Cork were favs yes, and it did upset the odds, but not a huge shock. A bit like Cork beating Tipp in the 1990 Munster Final.

Again, context - a lot had changed in that 12 months

Offaly were coming into the game on the back of being heavily pushed by the might of Derry and an 11 point loss to KK, who were not the force quite yet we would come to know them as

Here is a report on the game https://www.independent.ie/sport/offaly-confound-critics-to-force-rebel-collapse-26110985.html

Cork were 3/10 favourites, which are incredibly low odds in a semi final match in the back door era - when Ulster teams had stopped making semis

For the stature of the match I thought it was worth a mention anyway

Hurling doesn't lend itself to widespread shocks. The thread will become a bit boring if everyone weighs in with Antrim in 89 on every post

Tarzann · 09-07-2019 11:45am

1909 Connacht Hurling Final: Mayo 10-1 Galway 4-1

Has to be one of the all-time shocks as Mayo won their only provincial hurling championship in 1909, and went on to lose the AI hurling semi to Tipp by just 1 goal.

mistermiyagi · 09-07-2019 11:51am

jr86 wrote: »

Again, context - a lot had changed in that 12 months

Offaly were coming into the game on the back of being heavily pushed by the might of Derry and an 11 point loss to KK, who were not the force quite yet we would come to know them as

Here is a report on the game https://www.independent.ie/sport/offaly-confound-critics-to-force-rebel-collapse-26110985.html

Cork were 3/10 favourites, which are incredibly low odds in a semi final match in the back door era - when Ulster teams had stopped making semis

For the stature of the match I thought it was worth a mention anyway

Hurling doesn't lend itself to widespread shocks. The thread will become a bit boring if everyone weighs in with Antrim in 89 on every post

I think if we're debating whether the 98 winners
beating the 99 winners in the 00 semi was a shock then the thread has already gone boring!

Scoundrel · 09-07-2019 12:00pm

EICVD wrote: »

You’d think Dublin were a hurling powerhouse the way everyone reacted to the weekend. It’s a real shame Laois lost to Cork in the football, could have given them a right good hammering as revenge on Saturday.

Still a massive shock considering the resources available to both teams. Dublin knocked out Galway drew with Wexford and have been in AI semi finals in the recent past Laois were nearly relegated to Christy Ring last year.

Scoundrel · 09-07-2019 12:28pm

In terms of shocks everytime Antrim were beaten in Ulster would have to count as major shocks like Down winning in 92 95 and 97 Derry in 2000 and 2001 and Donegal back in the 30's and even Monaghan won it in 1914 and 1915 although Eoin O Duffy is rumoured to have presided over some monumental cheating to assist Monaghan in those victories.

Nic_Col · 09-07-2019 12:39pm

The thing about Antrim's win over Offaly in 1989 is that they came from nowhere and didn't just beat, but hammered an Offaly team who were genuine contenders for the title (although I don't think they would have stopped that Tipp team). There was a healthy number of players who had won Leinster and All-Ireland titles in the 80's and there were a handful of players that would form the 90's team.

Aside from 1943 when they defeated Kilkenny and Galway en route to defeat in that years final to Cork, Antrim had never defeated a team outside Ulster up to that point.

Offaly's first win over Kilkenny was referenced earlier; that was a shock at the time but it would soon become apparent that that wasn't some freak once off bolt from the blue as that team went on to win multiple titles.

There's a difference between a shock and a breakthrough. Clare's 95 Munster title would have been a shock had they just fizzled away and gone back into another multi decade famine, but they went on and added 2 more Munster's and 2 All-Ireland's.

Was last Sunday a breakthrough for Laois? I really hope so because we need all the competitive county's we can get in hurling but the jury is still out on that. Their win over Dublin was a surprise more than a shock as such, up to ten years ago there wasn't ever that much between Dublin and Laois and Laois wins over Dublin wouldn't have been that unusual before a decade ago.

That's not to in any way take away from an excellent and committed team performance from Laois last Sunday, based on the respective fortunes of both over the last decade it's a huge win for them, they'll hopefully back themselves to avoid relegation in the round robin next year. And wouldn't it be very interesting to see how GAA HQ would respond to one of the top tier counties being relegated if Laois do well next year!

C__MC · 09-07-2019 12:47pm

Scoundrel wrote: »

In terms of shocks everytime Antrim were beaten in Ulster would have to count as major shocks like Down winning in 92 95 and 97 Derry in 2000 and 2001 and Donegal back in the 30's and even Monaghan won it in 1914 and 1915 although Eoin O Duffy is rumoured to have presided over some monumental cheating to assist Monaghan in those victories.

Indeed that is true. Derry beating them in 2001 was a huge shock. Another shock or upset for me was galway beating kk in 2005. Obviously two traditional counties but kk had beaten them by like 19 points in 2004

Necro · 09-07-2019 12:52pm

Tarzann wrote:

Has to be one of the all-time shocks as Mayo won their only provincial hurling championship in 1909, and went on to lose the AI hurling semi to Tipp by just 1 goal.

Ah yes I remember that one vividly :P

jr86 · 09-07-2019 12:55pm

C__MC wrote: »

Indeed that is true. Derry beating them in 2001 was a huge shock.

Derry won two Ulsters in a row in 2001

Ulster was actually very competitive from the mid 90s - early 00s from what I remember. There wasn't much between Antrim, Derry and Down

Blinky Plebum · 09-07-2019 1:03pm

jr86 wrote: »

Derry won two Ulsters in a row in 2001

Ulster was actually very competitive from the mid 90s - early 00s from what I remember. There wasn't much between Antrim, Derry and Down

Oliver Collins and Gary Biggs were very good players aon that team as were Dual stars Geoffrey McGonigle and Kieran McKeever.

Blinky Plebum · 09-07-2019 1:06pm

jr86 wrote: »

Again, context - a lot had changed in that 12 months

Offaly were coming into the game on the back of being heavily pushed by the might of Derry and an 11 point loss to KK, who were not the force quite yet we would come to know them as

Here is a report on the game https://www.independent.ie/sport/offaly-confound-critics-to-force-rebel-collapse-26110985.html

Cork were 3/10 favourites, which are incredibly low odds in a semi final match in the back door era - when Ulster teams had stopped making semis

For the stature of the match I thought it was worth a mention anyway

Hurling doesn't lend itself to widespread shocks. The thread will become a bit boring if everyone weighs in with Antrim in 89 on every post

Amazing that a hurling match with a score of 0-19 to 0-15 could be considered a classic (and it was one of the best matches I remeber watching) , these days it's close to what the score would be at half time in a lot matches.

jr86 · 09-07-2019 1:07pm

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Oliver Collins and Gary Biggs were very good players aon that team as were Dual stars Geoffrey McGonigle and Kieran McKeever.

Yeah, they gave Offaly a right scare in 00

Blinky Plebum · 09-07-2019 1:15pm

jr86 wrote: »

Yeah, they gave Offaly a right scare in 00

I remeber right before the throw in one of the Derry Coaches when being interviewed (by Marty Morrisey probably) said "we'll win" with complete conviction, showed you how confident Derry were back then.

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