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Rowan Croft the gran torino

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  • #1352
    Boxing.Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    Nic_Col wrote: »
    If you feel something needs to be reported to the Gardaí then go right ahead, why wait for someone else to do it?

    Who made the threat, what have I missed?


  • #1353
    Nic_Col
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭Nic_Col


    super_furry wrote: »
    Well mostly because I wouldn't have access to the same information as boards.ie, who would have the IP address, registration information and logs of the death threat

    And if you report it to the Gardaí, an investigation could begin on the basis of your report in which case the Gardaí would get that information anyway. If you feel something needs to be reported to the Gardaí the onus is on you and only you. There's nothing at all stopping you.


  • #1354
    Nic_Col
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭Nic_Col


    Boxing.Fan wrote: »
    Who made the threat, what have I missed?

    No idea, I'm assuming it was deleted.


  • #1355
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I have zero respect for anyone that throws any liquid over a person like that. Doesn't matter how much of an asshole he is.

    Seems it's ok in some "tolerant" people's minds to punch, assault and throw stuff at people they disagree with ideologically. The irony is off the scale.


  • #1356
    Walter Bishop
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Walter Bishop


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Seems it's ok in some "tolerant" people's minds to punch, assault and throw stuff at people they disagree with ideologically. The irony is off the scale.


    Any comment on Tan Torino saying it's ok to burn down hostels with immigrants in them?


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  • #1357
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    I still can't get over the sheer hypocrisy of people's outrage at this.

    The guy is literally excusing a terrorist attack that could have killed someone. The network of the far right is so small and underground it's very likely he knows who is responsible for this.

    The hotel burned down in donegal still had someone in it ffs. That's attempted murder.

    But no, let's be outraged at someone getting covered in milk.


  • #1358
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Seems it's ok in some "tolerant" people's minds to punch, assault and throw stuff at people they disagree with ideologically. The irony is off the scale.
    They will beat Tolerance into you :eek: Entirely for your own good of course :eek:


  • #1359
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    I still can't get over the sheer hypocrisy of people's outrage at this.

    The guy is literally excusing a terrorist attack that could have killed someone. The network of the far right is so small and underground it's very likely he knows who is responsible for this.

    The hotel burned down in donegal still had someone in it ffs. That's attempted murder.

    But no, let's be outraged at someone getting covered in milk.

    I think the guy's views are abhorrent and he's an absolute muppet and anyone that gives the guy credence is on the same level of muppetry imo. You can dislike both the man the action taken against the man.

    What annoys me is this 'the tolerant are really actually intolerant' argument. This is the action of one person, their intolerant action doesn't somehow excuse the intolerance of people on the far-right. And if those far-right views are challenged in a non-violent manner for the ****tyness that they are, that's not intolerance, that's public discourse and protest.


  • #1360
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I think the guy's views are abhorrent and he's an absolute muppet and anyone that gives the guy credence is on the same level of muppetry imo. You can dislike both the man the action taken against the man.

    What annoys me is this 'the tolerant are really actually intolerant' argument. This is the action of one person, their intolerant action doesn't somehow excuse the intolerance of people on the far-right. And if those far-right views are challenged in a non-violent manner for the ****tyness that they are, that's not intolerance, that's public discourse and protest.

    I'm not excusing her actions. Communists and right wing fascists are diametrically opposed in their opinions.

    But it's obvious one side is much much more dangerous than the other right now. One is committing terrorist attacks against the state with no regard for the safety of the public. The other is chucking milkshakes.

    I think it should be obvious which side is worse here. So the false equivalence is completely laughable to me.

    Anyone who thinks the milk shake chuckin commies are the dangerously intolerant ones here need their heads checked.


  • #1361
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    I'm not excusing her actions. Communists and right wing fascists are diametrically opposed in their opinions.

    But it's obvious one side is much much more dangerous than the other right now. One is committing terrorist attacks against the state with no regard for the safety of the public. The other is chucking milkshakes.

    I think it should be obvious which side is worse here. So the false equivalence is completely laughable to me.

    Anyone who thinks the milk shake chuckin commies are the dangerously intolerant ones here need their heads checked.

    If you use violence to get your point across, you can't claim any sort of moral high ground. Also, anyone espousing communism in this day and age is a tit as well.


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  • #1362
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,587 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    If you use violence to get your point across, you can't claim any sort of moral high ground. Also, anyone espousing communism in this day and age is a tit as well.

    Burning down direct provision centers vs chucking a milkshake. the two are not on the same moral plane.


  • #1363
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    If you use violence to get your point across, you can't claim any sort of moral high ground. Also, anyone espousing communism in this day and age is a tit as well.

    I agree with everything there.

    But what are we doing to fight the sh1t he puts out there? Clearly he and loopers like Gemma OD are influencing people.

    Some of the people they are influencing are already dangerous this sort of stuff emboldens them. These are the kind of people that no logical argument will really work on and are willing to use (and have used) violence as long as they think enough people are on their side.

    So when cowards are burning down buildings in the night, what are we doing to fight it?

    It may be a false dichotomy but when the commies are the only people standing up to these turds, I'll look the other way when then splash symbolic bit of milk on them.


  • #1364
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Burning down direct provision centers vs chucking a milkshake. the two are not on the same moral plane.
    I wonder how far the Milk Shake Throwers will go if they don’t get their way .

    They are already taking the Violence Method .


  • #1365
    Wheety
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭Wheety


    just had a look at his twitter and a few of those commenting. I must be living a sheltered life as I had no idea all this crap was going on.


  • #1366
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    I wonder how far the Milk Shake Throwers will go if they don’t get their way .

    They are already taking the Violence Method .


    Well the fascist terrorists are already well ahead of them in terms of resorting to violence so I think they're the priority right now.


  • #1367
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,587 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    blinding wrote: »
    I wonder how far the Milk Shake Throwers will go if they don’t get their way .

    They are already taking the Violence Method .

    Probably nowhere near as far as burning down buildings with peoiple inside


  • #1368
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Well the fascist terrorists are already well ahead of them in terms of resorting to violence so I think they're the priority right now.
    What makes you think that Antifa are not Facists .

    They use Violence , they wear Masks while using Violence .

    If it acts like a Facist , uses violence like a Facist . = Facist to me .


  • #1369
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    What makes you think that Antifa are not Facists .

    They use Violence , they wear Masks while using Violence .

    If it acts like a Facist , uses violence like a Facist . = Facist to me .

    Nationalism is a key component of fascism. Sorry but Antifa are not nationalists. They're that very confused breed of person that is an Anarcho-Communist.

    They're violent, they're oppressive, they can sometimes be dangerous. But they are not fascists.

    You know the communists were pretty violent. But there's a definition of fascism and it doesnt fit the Anarcho-Communists. I feel like you just want to paint them as Fascist because you know the word has such a negative connotation but it does show your (and anyone else who immediately points to the "antifa are the fascists") lack of knowledge on the groups beliefs and goals.


  • #1370
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Nationalism is a key component of fascism. Sorry but Antifa are not nationalists. They're that very confused breed of person that is an Anarcho-Communist.

    They're violent, they're oppressive, they can sometimes be dangerous. But they are not fascists.

    You know the communists were pretty violent. But there's a definition of fascism and it doesnt fit the Anarcho-Communists. I feel like you just want to paint them as Fascist because you know the word has such a negative connotation but it does show your (and anyone else who immediately points to the "antifa are the fascists") lack of knowledge on the groups beliefs and goals.
    So , They are Facist Communists or Communist Facists .

    Stalin , Mao killed millions and millions . When they are killing you maybe it does not matter if they are called Facists , You are still Dead .


  • #1371
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    So , They are Facist Communists or Communist Facists .

    Stalin , Mao killed millions and millions . When they are killing you maybe it does not matter if they are called Facists , You are still Dead .

    Nope, You are taking the adjective fascist (pretty innocent like when people use the term nazi to describe someone unwilling to compromise) and making it the noun Fascist, which has a set definition. You cant just change the definition of the word sorry. It makes you as dumb as the Antifa types who try to redefine racism.

    And again, they are Anarcho-Communists. Between reading my post and replying to it did you even check to see what any of these words mean?


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  • #1372
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    I agree with everything there.

    But what are we doing to fight the sh1t he puts out there? Clearly he and loopers like Gemma OD are influencing people.

    Some of the people they are influencing are already dangerous this sort of stuff emboldens them. These are the kind of people that no logical argument will really work on and are willing to use (and have used) violence as long as they think enough people are on their side.

    So when cowards are burning down buildings in the night, what are we doing to fight it?

    It may be a false dichotomy but when the commies are the only people standing up to these turds, I'll look the other way when then splash symbolic bit of milk on them.

    And what if something worse gets added to that symbolic bit of milk. Do you keep looking the other way?

    The Grand Torino is averaging about 5k views per video with 16k subscribers. Even if every single subscriber is from the Republic of Ireland that works out at roughly 0.33% of our population - that is very little influence tbh.

    I'd wager his reach is amplified slightly by the amount of people on Twitter giving out about him and sharing videos of him. Milkshaking a guy does little beyond increasing his profile and giving him ammo to attack others with.

    If you think he is engaged in unlawful activity, seriously just report him to the Guards.


  • #1373
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    To me they are Communists acting like Facists . If you behave like a Facist ? Are you a Facist ?


  • #1374
    Boxing.Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Nationalism is a key component of fascism. Sorry but Antifa are not nationalists. They're that very confused breed of person that is an Anarcho-Communist.

    They're violent, they're oppressive, they can sometimes be dangerous. But they are not fascists.

    You know the communists were pretty violent. But there's a definition of fascism and it doesnt fit the Anarcho-Communists. I feel like you just want to paint them as Fascist because you know the word has such a negative connotation but it does show your (and anyone else who immediately points to the "antifa are the fascists") lack of knowledge on the groups beliefs and goals.

    Anti facist action Ireland is literally made up of people who claim to be nationalists, how does that one work? Or is it a different brand of nationalism?


  • #1375
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    And what if something worse gets added to that symbolic bit of milk. Do you keep looking the other way?

    The Grand Torino is averaging about 5k views per video with 16k subscribers. Even if every single subscriber is from the Republic of Ireland that works out at roughly 0.33% of our population - that is very little influence tbh.

    I'd wager his reach is amplified slightly by the amount of people on Twitter giving out about him and sharing videos of him. Milkshaking a guy does little beyond increasing his profile and giving him ammo to attack others with.

    If you think he is engaged in unlawful activity, seriously just report him to the Guards.

    Sort of a stupid point. Of course if something gets added it becomes much more serious. Kind of ceases to be symbolic then doesn't it?

    Fringe will always be fringe. I am not worried about him raising up voters to bring about some kind of fascist Irish government. I am worried about more attacks by his followers which suspiciously happen while he is in the locations of the attacks.

    I would say the gardai are already aware of his presence, influence and reach. But like any fascist mouthpiece I would say he's kept his hands clean and alibi iron clad.


  • #1376
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    blinding wrote: »
    To me they are Communists acting like Facists . If you behave like a Facist ? Are you a Facist ?

    It's fascist and no, if a communist is being violent, they are a violent communist. There's a lot of this subtle twisting of language these days to eradicate their meaning and power.

    'Oh, everybody is a fascist now... that guy over there with the brick and anarchy t-shirt is a fascist as well. Anyway, about those Kike bankers and those filthy muslims that are overrunning our countries and eradicating our culture that I was talking about...'


  • #1377
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Weren’t the Nazi’s , National Socialists .

    Socialists , doesn’t that have leftwing connotations .

    How come the Nazi’s turned into Facists if they were Socialists ?


  • #1378
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    Boxing.Fan wrote: »
    Anti facist action Ireland is literally made up of people who claim to be nationalists, how does that one work? Or is it a different brand of nationalism?

    It actually is yes. Nationalism in Ireland just means Republicanism. We've never really had a nationalist movement that compares to the brits, americans, germans, spanish or french.

    But it was more a smear tactic by the british government to paint republicans as nationalists and since the Irish never really had a nationalist movement, they never fought against the label.

    But by definition Irish Nationalists are not really Nationalists. Just like how National Socialists were not really socialists.


  • #1379
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    Weren’t the Nazi’s , National Socialists .

    Socialists , doesn’t that have leftwing connotations .

    How come the Nazi’s turned into Facists if they were Socialists ?


    Ahhhhh so thats what I'm dealing with.

    Seriously, if you even need me to answer that you're really out of your depth discussing anything beyond Blue's Clues.


  • #1380
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    blinding wrote: »
    Weren’t the Nazi’s , National Socialists .

    Socialists , doesn’t that have leftwing connotations .

    How come the Nazi’s turned into Facists if they were Socialists ?

    I would say you suffer more from ignorance of history if you think the Nazis were actual Socialists...


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  • #1381
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    I still can't get over the sheer hypocrisy of people's outrage at this.

    The guy is literally excusing a terrorist attack that could have killed someone. The network of the far right is so small and underground it's very likely he knows who is responsible for this.

    The hotel burned down in donegal still had someone in it ffs. That's attempted murder.

    But no, let's be outraged at someone getting covered in milk.

    Can you provide proof that it was a terrorist attack.
    Do you have info on the perpetrators or is this just speculation on your part.
    Has anyone been arrested and charged can you give us a link and proof that the arrested person or persons are members of a far right group.


  • #1382
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    batgoat wrote: »
    I would say you suffer more from ignorance of history if you think the Nazis were actual Socialists...
    Were they Socialists before they turned into Facists ?

    Some parties evolve into something that they were not at the beginning .

    Sure the Irish Labour Party were Socialists at one time , a long long time ago .


  • #1383
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Can you provide proof that it was a terrorist attack.
    Do you have info on the perpetrators or is this just speculation on your part.
    Has anyone been arrested and charged can you give us a link and proof that the arrested person or persons are members of a far right group.
    It could well have been Antifa for all we know . They are violent and unpredictable .


  • #1384
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    Were they Socialists before they turned into Facists ?

    Some parties evolve into something that they were not at the beginning .

    Sure the Irish Labour Party were Socialists at one time , a long long time ago .

    Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant and be involving yourself in these conversations.

    Look up the night of Long Knives and the couple years of activity before that before making points.


  • #1385
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant and be involving yourself in these conversations.

    Look up the night of Long Knives and the couple years of activity before that before making points.
    I am asking about the early days of National Socialism .

    Were they using the Socialism to hook in the Antifa boys of the day . They did turn out to be very violent so they may have seen the violence of the Antifa of the day as potentially useful down the line .

    Why were they calling themselves Socialists ( in the early days ) if they were not Socialists .

    Surely calling themselves socialist was to attract Socialists . Ok , maybe it was only a lure in the early days but it certainly attracted people tended towards violence .


  • #1386
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,587 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    blinding wrote: »
    I am asking about the early days of National Socialism .

    Were they using the Socialism to hook in the Antifa boys of the day . They did turn out to be very violent so they may have seen the violence of the Antifa of the day as potentially useful down the line .

    Why were they calling themselves Socialists ( in the early days ) if they were not Socialists .

    Surely calling themselves socialist was to attract Socialists . Ok , maybe it was only a lure in the early days but it certainly attracted people tended towards violence .

    maybe you should go away and read a book.


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  • #1387
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    blinding wrote: »
    Were they Socialists before they turned into Facists ?

    Some parties evolve into something that they were not at the beginning .

    Sure the Irish Labour Party were Socialists at one time , a long long time ago .

    No, they were never socialists. They came about in opposition to Marxism. It focused on race and a united Aryan society. It favoured a form of capitalism that effectively included slaves and corporatism built off of it.


  • #1388
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    I am asking about the early days of National Socialism .

    Were they using the Socialism to hook in the Antifa boys of the day . They did turn out to be very violent so they may have seen the violence of the Antifa of the day as potentially useful down the line .

    Why were they calling themselves Socialists ( in the early days ) if they were not Socialists .

    Surely calling themselves socialist was to attract Socialists . Ok , maybe it was only a lure in the early days but it certainly attracted people tended towards violence .
    This is the kind of history you are expected to know if you have any interest in political movements etc.

    These aren't scientific theories that need explained or broken down. Its documented history that you should look into and not be so lazy to expect someone to explain it to you well after involving yourself in the conversation.


  • #1389
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    batgoat wrote: »
    No, they were never socialists. They came about in opposition to Marxism. It focused on race and a united Aryan society. It favoured a form of capitalism that effectively included slaves.
    So , Antifa could be Facists .


  • #1390
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    So , Antifa could be Facists .

    No. Because they are not nationalists. A key component of fascism. Again


  • #1391
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    blinding wrote: »
    So , Antifa could be Facists .

    No... Are you actively trying to be as ignorant as possible?


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  • #1392
    Birneybau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    maybe you should go away and read a book.

    Instead of a 6 hour Youtube video


  • #1393
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    maybe you should go away and read a book.
    I reckon Hitler and co wanted to Hook in socialists into his movement . And lo and behold they became Facists . Its funny who can become the Facists .

    Do the Facists ever think they are the Facists .

    Sure wan’t Fine Gael the Facist Party in Ireland . Very hard to Pin down Facists . Ya , never know where they come from or where they end up :eek::eek::eek:


  • #1394
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    The likening of the Irish right to the nazis does no favors either there hardly much alike.


  • #1395
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    No. Because they are not nationalists. A key component of fascism. Again
    Some Movements Morph into Facists . We should always be Vigilant .


  • #1396
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    blinding wrote: »
    I reckon Hitler and co wanted to Hook in socialists into his movement . And lo and behold they became Facists . Its funny who can become the Facists .

    Do the Facists ever think they are the Facists .

    Sure wan’t Fine Gael the Facist Party in Ireland . Very hard to Pin down Facists . Ya , never know where they come from or where they end up :eek::eek::eek:

    I'm amazed that you still can't spell the word, let alone understand it.


  • #1397
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    The likening of the Irish right to the nazis does no favors either there hardly much alike.
    Fine Gael ? Blue Shirts were Facists .


  • #1398
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    blinding wrote: »
    Some Movements Morph into Facists . We should always be Vigilant .

    You'd struggle to pour water out of a boot with the instructions written on the sole you know that.


  • #1399
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    blinding wrote: »
    I reckon Hitler and co wanted to Hook in socialists into his movement . And lo and behold they became Facists . Its funny who can become the Facists .

    Do the Facists ever think they are the Facists .

    Sure wan’t Fine Gael the Facist Party in Ireland . Very hard to Pin down Facists . Ya , never know where they come from or where they end up :eek::eek::eek:

    Fine Gael have facist roots and the shinners had no problems working with the nazis when it suited them.


  • #1400
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    blinding wrote: »
    Fine Gael ? Blue Shirts were Facists .

    You’re talking maybe a year or two over 75 years ago where some facists had some sway in the party and held some high positions they were booted out as things unfolded on the continent. Hardly relevant nowadays


  • #1401
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    Fine Gael have facist roots and the shinners had no problems working with the nazis when it suited them.

    And the yanks funded the Taliban to fight communism.

    What's your point?


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