Fake ID Card and nightclub

Mr.Frame · 03-07-2019 08:06PM #1

So I wish to relay something that happened to a relative of mine last week and would be interested in hearing peoples views.

He's 17 and like most teenagers he has a fake "ID" to get into bars and clubs (if possible)

Anyway, last week he was all dressed up, him and his friends decided to go to a well known club in town..

He got to the door, the bouncer looked at his "ID" and told him , he wasnt getting in and if he wanted his ID back , he could go to Pearse St Garda Station the next day to collect it.

Needless to say, he was ( and his friends) were disappointed at not getting in (we've all been there)

So my question is this. I am fully aware Fake "IDs" are not legal, but had the bouncer the right to keep it ? and tell my relative to collect it at Pearse St Gards Stn the next day??

I'm of the opinion that the ID is my relatives and the bouncer in question didnt act properly in doing what he did.

Any thoughts?

thanks

Pawwed Rig · 03-07-2019 08:07PM

No idea whether it is 'legal' or not. Point is though what are you* going to do about it?

*or your 'friend'.

Allinall · 03-07-2019 08:09PM

Was it a fake Garda id?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 03-07-2019 08:09PM

If it's a fake Garda Age card, he can confiscate it.

WoollyRedHat · 03-07-2019 08:10PM

You would have to say it's all relative.

squawker · 03-07-2019 08:11PM

punisher5112 · 03-07-2019 08:11PM

Go straight to the cop shop and demand the illegal card back...

Mr.Frame · 03-07-2019 08:12PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

No idea whether it is 'legal' or not. Point is though what are you* going to do about it?

*or your 'friend'.

Well thats the thing I dont know what to do about it. If the bouncer in question acted illegally as it were, then would i have a case to complain to the establishment.

And , eh its a relative and not " a friend" though relatives can be friends as well

RobbingBandit · 03-07-2019 08:12PM

Kevin Ramage cards ain't kewl got to go to Gutenberg he's awesome

Mr.Frame · 03-07-2019 08:13PM

Jadiel Shrilling Sprinter wrote: »

If it's a fake Garda Age card, he can confiscate it.

Wasnt a Garda age card but another type

hynesie08 · 03-07-2019 08:14PM

If it's a fake garda ID he should be glad the bouncer took it and didn't call the gardai. (which they're fully entitled to do). If it's someone else's and they couldn't prove its theirs, the bouncer is obligated to hand it in to the gardai as lost/stolen property.

Either way, tough ****...

punisher5112 · 03-07-2019 08:14PM

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Well thats the thing I dont know what to do about it. If the bouncer in question acted illegally as it were, then would i have a case to complain to the establishment.

And , eh its a relative and not " a friend" though relatives can be friends as well

Yes they will entertain you no issues at all.

They will be delighted with the feed back and will offer all the friends and family member in for free drinks... They deserve a coke after that but they wouldn't be able to serve alcohol.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 03-07-2019 08:14PM

Let's cut out the rambling. Specifically what type of ID was it?

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Wasnt a Garda age card but another type

BattleCorp · 03-07-2019 08:14PM

No way the bouncer bothered his hole to go down to the Garda Station and hand in the card, not a fcuking chance.

I'd say he probably binned it.

Stephen15 · 03-07-2019 08:15PM

Yes the bouncer has the right to keep the ID and hand it to the Gardai if they believe it's fake however if it turns out to be real which it won't in this case they would be in serious trouble from what I gather.

I don't understand why bouncers do this never happened to me as I was one of the oldest out of my group of friends but has happened to my friends when I was younger. Surely the easier thing for them to do would be to refuse admission but give back the ID.

Mr.Frame · 03-07-2019 08:15PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

No way the bouncer bothered his hole to go down to the Garda Station and hand in the card, not a fcuking chance.

I'd say he probably binned it.

My thoughts exactly

daheff · 03-07-2019 08:16PM

so technically what the bouncer did was theft. you (sorry your relative) can make a complaint to the gardai about it and see if they prosecute him.... or you/your relative for fraud.

if its a genuine id, then you should request that the bouncer show you id so you can report it genuinely & ensure the id is returned (& bouncer suitably admonished by gardai)

hynesie08 · 03-07-2019 08:17PM

daheff wrote: »

so technically what the bouncer did was theft.

How

MrFresh · 03-07-2019 08:20PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

No way the bouncer bothered his hole to go down to the Garda Station and hand in the card, not a fcuking chance.

I'd say he probably binned it.

They generally drop them down every couple of weeks.

daheff · 03-07-2019 08:20PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

How

took something that wasnt his from its "owner".

Stephen15 · 03-07-2019 08:22PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

No way the bouncer bothered his hole to go down to the Garda Station and hand in the card, not a fcuking chance.

I'd say he probably binned it.

I'm not sure could be an agreement that club is told by the Gardai to confiscate any fake IDs and to give them to them at the end of the night or the next day

Allinall · 03-07-2019 08:22PM

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Wasnt a Garda age card but another type

What kind of “another type”?

Your relative could be in relatively serious trouble.

Get Real · 03-07-2019 08:22PM

Nothing you/ your relation can do.

He had a fake ID, and was taken off him. A risk of the game.

If he has that much of a brass neck to think "how dare someone take this off me"/ is going down the "you had no right to take my illegal fake ID off me" route:
I'm sure he can report it to the Garda station, give his full name, address and details, claim the fake ID was his property, and see what happens.

Again, he played, he lost. I'd advise move on.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2019 08:23PM

daheff wrote: »

took something that wasnt his from its "owner".

Yeah, but there's no intent to deprive, if it is yours, pop down the garda Station the next day with some sort of proof and you get it back.

Not theft.

ShooterSF · 03-07-2019 08:27PM

As someone who works in a bar I'd never bother keeping the ID but I have little sympathy for your relative who is happy to try and deceive the establishment and risk the livelihoods of the owners and staff if they were caught serving underage customers. Our bar has caught a few people using fakes and other peoples ID and have had a nice surprise 18th birthday present for them when they arrive in with the real ID to find out they are taking a few months holidays first.

kowloon · 03-07-2019 08:31PM

Never needed a fake ID when I was underage, different times.

daheff · 03-07-2019 08:31PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yeah, but there's no intent to deprive, if it is yours, pop down the garda Station the next day with some sort of proof and you get it back.

Not theft.

there was. he took it off the op and the op was without it for at least the rest of the night. not sure how you dont see it as depriving? just because bouncer claimed it could be retrieved from the gardai the next day doesnt mean its not theft... try it with your car/tv/wallet/credt card (insert legally held asset here) and see how it sounds.

Atlantic Dawn · 03-07-2019 08:34PM

It would be like a drug dealer walking in to Pearse Street Station and demanding Gardaí investigate the theft of a kilo of the finest cocaine money can buy.

FTA69 · 03-07-2019 09:01PM

I was a bouncer for years and never did this despite the array of ridiculous sh*t I’ve seen handed in to me before. It’s needlessly confrontational for a start and robbing some young lad of his ID is just going to result in an earache etc I couldn’t have been dealing with.

“I don’t think this is genuine mate so I’m not allowing you in tonight.” End of story really. Bouncer sounds like a pain in the hole.

Mr.Frame · 03-07-2019 09:05PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I was a bouncer for years and never did this despite the array of ridiculous sh*t I’ve seen handed in to me before. It’s needlessly confrontational for a start and robbing some young lad of his ID is just going to result in an earache etc I couldn’t have been dealing with.

“I don’t think this is genuine mate so I’m not allowing you in tonight.” End of story really. Bouncer sounds like a pain in the hole.

Well yes I agree, I thought the bouncer could have acted as you outlined above.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2019 09:05PM

daheff wrote: »

there was. he took it off the op and the op was without it for at least the rest of the night. not sure how you dont see it as depriving? just because bouncer claimed it could be retrieved from the gardai the next day doesnt mean its not theft... try it with your car/tv/wallet/credt card (insert legally held asset here) and see how it sounds.

Nope, if the person could prove it was theirs there wouldn't be any issue, but if there's no proof it's yours it's not theft.

Fake ID Card and nightclub

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