Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

McCrack · 25-06-2019 05:25PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

Your posts really are the pits

splinter65 · 25-06-2019 05:26PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She is dead because of what boy A and boy B did to her. I am not blaming anyone else but them. My issue is that many many posters on here are blaming B's father for what happened or are saying he is neglectful somehow. I am trying to highlight how distasteful that is by showing that similar things could be said and argued for about Patric Kriegel. I dont want to go down that road so I would hope people would stop having dig's at B's father. Look, this poor man has suffered a huge loss aswell. His life has been turned upside down, leave him alone.

Sorry no, you quite clearly said in your last post that she would be alive today if her father had stopped her from going out.
You can’t deny ten minutes later what you just said.
It’s there for everyone to see.
So is your post describing boy bs father attacking the entire courtroom like a savage as “unconditional love”.
So, for you, it’s not for the parents of wicked nasty children to take responsibility for correcting their horrible offspring, it’s for the parents of vulnerable innocent children to keep their kids locked up at home, so that the wicked ones can roam about the world at will.
Unconditional love.

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:27PM

FFred wrote: »

*Patrick

No your wrong. It is "Patric". I was told it was disrespectful to spell someones name wrong so I have made sure I got the proper spelling. Cant say I blame anyone for getting it wrong though, I have seen his and Ana's name spelt wrong across a wide variety of articles.

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:29PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Sorry no, you quite clearly said in your last post that she would be alive today if her father had stopped her from going out.

Why would I deny that? It is true.

FFred · 25-06-2019 05:30PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No your wrong. It is "Patric". I was told it was disrespectful to spell someones name wrong so I have made sure I got the proper spelling. Cant say I blame anyone for getting it wrong though, I have seen his and Ana's name spelt wrong across a wide variety of articles.

*you’re

El_Bee · 25-06-2019 05:32PM

Guys no need to go down this route:

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:34PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Well, being female the "you" there doesn't seem to apply to me, first off.

Plenty of women watch porn. Depending on the woman's relationship status it can go from 30% to being on par with mens porn viewership figures.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-porn-gap-gender-differences-in-pornography-use-in-couple-relationships

volchitsa wrote: »

The fact that people like Graham Dwyer have always existed tends to prove that.

In the interest of fairness, his victim was into the same kinds of material and sexual acts as he was. They met each other on a bondage website that she signed up to of her own accord.

splinter65 · 25-06-2019 05:35PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She is dead because of what boy A and boy B did to her. I am not blaming anyone else but them. My issue is that many many posters on here are blaming B's father for what happened or are saying he is neglectful somehow. I am trying to highlight how distasteful that is by showing that similar things could be said and argued for about Patric Kriegel. I dont want to go down that road so I would hope people would stop having dig's at B's father. Look, this poor man has suffered a huge loss aswell. His life has been turned upside down, leave him alone.

What you should do is start a petition online to force Ana’s father to make a public apology to boy bs father.
Boy bs father has had his life turned upside down, and suffered a terrible loss, because Ana’s father let her go out of the house to be murdered by his son.
His son has a right to express his murderous fantasies, and Ana’s parents had an obligation to keep her locked up.
Why not go the whole hog and set up a gofundme?

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:36PM

Suckit wrote: »

Does your being obtuse have a purpose?

I am not trying to be obtuse. I am defending a man who's life has been turned upside down.

splinter65 · 25-06-2019 05:38PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Why would I deny that? It is true.

So Ana’s father had an obligation to keep her locked up? Why?

iamwhoiam · 25-06-2019 05:38PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Why would I deny that? It is true.

You need to take a long hard look at yourself . Trolling a thread like this one is quite simply shameful .

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:39PM

splinter65 wrote: »

What you should do is start a petition online to force Ana’s father to make a public apology to boy bs father.
Boy bs father has had his life turned upside down, and suffered a terrible loss, because Ana’s father let her go out of the house to be murdered by his son.
His son has a right to express his murderous fantasies, and Ana’s parents had an obligation to keep her locked up.
Why not go the whole hog and set up a gofundme?

AFAIK, Patric has not blamed or had Ill feelings towards B's father or vice versa. There has been plenty of ill feeling towards B's father in this thread though.

dudara · 25-06-2019 05:40PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You need to take a long hard look at yourself . Trolling a thread like this one is quite simply shameful .

Please report posts, rather than making accusations of trolling on thread. I have given this warning before.

dudara

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 25-06-2019 05:42PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I am not trying to be obtuse. I am defending a man who's life has been turned upside down.

You have got to be taking the piss. All concern for the father of a killer who lashed out at the police and judiciary after the verdict, ridiculous accusations of neglect about the parents of the victim who have behaved with total dignity throughout this ordeal.

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:42PM

splinter65 wrote: »

So Ana’s father had an obligation to keep her locked up? Why?

No he was not obliged to lock her up but it would not be a good idea to let a teenage girl go out with a teenage boy whom is not know to you. Ask yourself this, would Geraldine have let Ana go out with boy B that day?

Kidchameleon · 25-06-2019 05:45PM

Before this gets out of hand, I am not here to blame Patric Kreigel, I am simply saying lay off B's father. It is easy to level blame on many people in this case, the school, the parents/guardians, the owners of that abandoned house etc. We could do that all day. It is A and B who are ultimately responsible, they knew what they were doing was wrong. That is who we should be focused on, not some heartbroken dad.

FFred · 25-06-2019 05:49PM

<SNIP>

Play the ball, not the man

dudara

hawkelady · 25-06-2019 05:49PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Before this gets out of hand, I am not here to blame Patric Kreigel, I am simply saying lay off B's father. It is easy to level blame on many people in this case, the school, the parents/guardians, the owners of that abandoned house etc. We could do that all day. It is A and B who are ultimately responsible, they knew what they were doing was wrong. That is who we should be focused on, not some heartbroken dad.

No I won’t. Don’t give a fig if he’s heartbroken .. I actually know of him and I really hope his life is turned upside down. Now, there you have it. You can leave now

briany · 25-06-2019 05:51PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Before this gets out of hand, I am not here to blame Patric Kreigel, I am simply saying lay off B's father. It is easy to level blame on many people in this case, the school, the parents/guardians, the owners of that abandoned house etc. We could do that all day. It is A and B who are ultimately responsible, they knew what they were doing was wrong. That is who we should be focused on, not some heartbroken dad.

I was just thinking that if this had happened in the States, a lot more would probably be made out of the 'satanic pledge' found in Boy B's room, plus the preference for heavy metal and horror movies. Here, it's almost an aside, because the boys would still have to have known that what they were doing was so heinously wrong, but over there, it would segue into some moral majority hand wringing.

Spanish Eyes · 25-06-2019 05:58PM

I just wondered if anyone thinks that keeping Gardai at your door for a while (an hour) is something most people would do?

I dunno, but I reckon I would invite them in.

Would be conscious of the valley of the squinting windows, if you get my drift, whether they were in uniform or not and I am guessing they were from the local Station.

May that lovely girl rest in peace now. No consolation to her parents and family though.

iamwhoiam · 25-06-2019 06:01PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I just wondered if anyone thinks that keeping Gardai at your door for a while (an hour) is something most people would do?

I dunno, but I reckon I would invite them in.

Would be conscious of the valley of the squinting windows, if you get my drift, whether they were in uniform or not and I am guessing they were from the local Station.

May that lovely girl rest in peace now. No consolation to her parents and family though.

I posted the same earlier on . Never mind the squinting windows but manners would ensure I invited a Garda in and offered a chair and a cuppa

splinter65 · 25-06-2019 06:03PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

AFAIK, Patric has not blamed or had Ill feelings towards B's father or vice versa. There has been plenty of ill feeling towards B's father in this thread though.

No I’m sure Ana’s father privately feels entirely remorseful for having turned boy bs fathers life upside down by letting his vulnerable daughter out on early on a bright summer evening to be murdered by boy b, when it’s clear that it was his obligation to keep her inside.
Anyone suggesting that boy bs father should take any responsibility for the vileness of his son is being ridiculous.
So would you not get that “we demand that Ana’s father apologize to the father of boy b” petition a whirl ?

TCDStudent1 · 25-06-2019 06:03PM

briany wrote: »

I was just thinking that if this had happened in the States, a lot more would probably be made out of the 'satanic pledge' found in Boy B's room, plus the preference for heavy metal and horror movies. Here, it's almost an aside, because the boys would still have to have known that what they were doing was so heinously wrong, but over there, it would segue into some moral majority hand wringing.

If the boys interviews were unavailable, my guess is that the prosecution would have gone down that route a lot more. For example, one subsequent article mentioned that May 14th is doomsday in satanic calendar (was news to me) but I think that was never presented to the jury. A possible reason for not going down that route was that some classmates said the satanic club was nothing and the prosecution may not have wanted to put that to the jury.
However, if they didn't have the interviews, it may have been something they focused in more on.

splinter65 · 25-06-2019 06:06PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No he was not obliged to lock her up but it would not be a good idea to let a teenage girl go out with a teenage boy whom is not know to you. Ask yourself this, would Geraldine have let Ana go out with boy B that day?

As Ana’s brother was able to identify that boy b was another pupil at the school who he could name, yes, with conditions as to a return time I think she probably would.

threeball · 25-06-2019 06:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is one aspect I find worrying and support anonymity. I have sympathy for the parents. For all we know, the boys lied to the parents too. I imagine it's a very traumatic situation for everyone involved. What would you do if this was your child. Do you think you would definitely act entirely objective or would some parental emotions override and blind you until the evidence slowly presents the truth. If your child continues tells you they're innocent, do you believe them. Will you be in denial. I'm not a parent so I don't fully understand these instincts but I've certainly seen them in action. I don't think people recognising the parents in the street is of benefit to anyone. While I wouldn't go as far as to say they deserve the same respect as the Kriegal's, they don't deserve abuse.

The parents heard him tell several different stories. They also had the book of evidence prior to the trial and despite it being pretty damning they still stood by him. Couldn't even be bothered to get the truth from him. 13yr olds will cave in to their parents once they're not being enabled. It was clear that both sets were enabling these scumbags.

So in answer to you question, yes I would be objective as I'd be horrified and disgusted if the same evidence pointed to my child. If he wouldn't confess and co-operate he'd be on his own and he'd soon find out what fear and loneliness was about just like that poor girl did.

LiamoSail · 25-06-2019 06:09PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Before this gets out of hand, I am not here to blame Patric Kreigel, I am simply saying lay off B's father. It is easy to level blame on many people in this case, the school, the parents/guardians, the owners of that abandoned house etc. We could do that all day. It is A and B who are ultimately responsible, they knew what they were doing was wrong. That is who we should be focused on, not some heartbroken dad.

But not heartbroken enough to prompt him in to getting the truth out of his son. The man should be hounded

tuxy · 25-06-2019 06:14PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

If the boys interviews were unavailable, my guess is that the prosecution would have gone down that route a lot more. For example, one subsequent article mentioned that May 14th is doomsday in satanic calendar (was news to me) but I think that was never presented to the jury.

May 14th 2021 was doomsday possibly in a satanic calendar the boy had created the only reference to that date and satanic calendar online links to this case. It's not mentioned anywhere else.

LiamoSail · 25-06-2019 06:17PM

Two kids of similar age were sentenced to 80 years each for the murder of one of their grand mothers recently. I always think the US justice system is far too unforgiving, while ours appears to go too much the opposite way.

I certainly hope the judge strongly considers the lack of remorse, cooperation and the need to protect the public from these evil bastards in his sentencing.

tuxy · 25-06-2019 06:18PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

But not heartbroken enough to prompt him in to getting the truth out of his son. The man should be hounded

By his own conscience or by people out to harm him?

Spanish Eyes · 25-06-2019 06:22PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Two kids of similar age were sentenced to 80 years each for the murder of one of their grand mothers recently. I always think the US justice system is far too unforgiving, while ours appears to go too much the opposite way.

I certainly hope the judge strongly considers the lack of remorse, cooperation and the need to protect the public from these evil bastards in his sentencing.

Whatever the sentence is, Ana's family has a whole of life sentence to deal with, without parole and without their daughter forever more.

Victims need to be vindicated, not maliciously, but fairly too.

But we shall see what happens.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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