Boris Johnson in a bit of strife

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-06-2019 5:14pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Happily married 23 years in September. Plenty of roaring shouting screaming cups and plates thrown, small tables upended, doors slammed cars revved..no neighbor ever called the Garda, all forgotten about tomorrow. Normal adult relationship .

It might work for you - it might be your 'normal' - but that kind of behaviour really isn't common. Really hope you don't have kids who have to witness it, incidentally.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-06-2019 5:24pm

The neighbors were right to call the police. If she shouted get off me and get out of my flat etc and there was banging.

It could have been an intruder.

And people have the right to ask him questions he is a politician going for the top job. He will be in charge of how Britain is shaped. They have the right to ask questions.

He has a duty to answer them.

Its an important story relating to his character which is of great relevance to the job.

Only thing is we KNOW his character already.

What a foolish idiot though.

MrFresh · 23-06-2019 5:28pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The neighbors were right to call the police. If she shouted get off me and get out of my flat etc and there was banging.

It could have been an intruder.

And people have the right to ask him questions he is a politician going for the top job. He will be in charge of how Britain is shaped. They have the right to ask questions.

He has a duty to answer them.

Its an important story relating to his character which is of great relevance to the job.

Only thing is we KNOW his character already.

What a foolish idiot though.

Yeah, I can't see this changing the minds of people already willing to ignore his dishonesty and incompetence.

Richard Hillman · 23-06-2019 5:28pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Would you not be concerned?

Would you not be worried he was attacking her? She shouted get off me and get out of my flat.

There were things banging and a neighbor was either so fed up of the noise or worried they called the police.

I don't even know if this happened. This is my biggest problem. These are being reported as facts. They are stories being told by people of large political Bias and dubious character. Then reported by The Guardian orlf political Bias and vested interests.

These are dubious claims, not facts.

sdanseo · 23-06-2019 5:31pm

As much as I hate dirty rotten political tactics... if they topple Boris, means to an end.
Him, Trump and Putin all in power together is a trifecta the world cannot afford.

Just hope that neighbour knows what he's letting himself in for.

I doubt it will topple him however. He has over 100% lead in the MPs count and his opponent is weak.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-06-2019 5:54pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I don't even know if this happened. This is my biggest problem. These are being reported as facts. They are stories being told by people of large political Bias and dubious character. Then reported by The Guardian orlf political Bias and vested interests.

These are dubious claims, not facts.

They are claims made by three separate neighbors tho and Boris has not denied them.

wiggle16 · 23-06-2019 6:10pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I don't even know if this happened. This is my biggest problem. These are being reported as facts. They are stories being told by people of large political Bias and dubious character. Then reported by The Guardian orlf political Bias and vested interests.

These are dubious claims, not facts.

Where are you getting it from that the people reporting it have "large political bias" and are of "dubious character"? What is dubious about the reports?

You are literally trying to poke holes in this because it doesn't suit your view.

People reported some sort of disturbance in Johnson's house. Now he won't talk about it, because it's likely there is no way he can spin this without making it worse. If it didn't happen, then why hasn't he said it didn't happen?

23-06-2019 6:15pm

MrFresh wrote: »

I've never roared at my wife and neither of us have ever thrown plates. Same for my parents. I'd consider that normal and healthy.

Some people are more passionate and dramatic than others. That's not the same thing as abuse.

Bottling up your true feelings for a quiet life, now that's unhealthy.

Can't believe you and your wife have agreed on everything 100% throughout your marriage

23-06-2019 6:19pm

Candie wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing normal about it, in any way. If anyone roared, screamed or broke things around me in an argument it would be a permanent exit.

That's you. Some people are more emotional than others. This isn't abuse. It's their way of communicating.when all other avenues fail.

Throwing plates AT someone is bad, but breaking a plate in frustration isn't.

Having said that I've personally never broke plates but a good row now and.again with some shouting can be healthy.

23-06-2019 6:22pm

sdanseo wrote: »

As much as I hate dirty rotten political tactics... if they topple Boris, means to an end.
Him, Trump and Putin all in power together is a trifecta the world cannot afford.

Just hope that neighbour knows what he's letting himself in for.

He has over 100% lead in the MPs count and his opponent is weak.

I agree with you. I doubt it will topple him however.

It will make him more popular. Makes the neighbour look like a nazi collaborator. Total own goal.

wiggle16 · 23-06-2019 6:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people are more passionate and dramatic than others. That's not the same thing as abuse.

I don't know if I missed it but no one has actually brought up the word abuse. It doesn't matter - it's not okay to do these things in a relationship.

It doesn't have to be abuse, but that doesn't make it okay. Roaring and shouting and throwing things at your partner is not normal and is at the very least very dysfunctional. No excuse for it.

And I'm sorry, but in this context "passionate" and "dramatic" are just euphemisms for having a bad temper. People do not get a free pass to act however they like just because they are unable to regulate their emotions.

23-06-2019 6:27pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

I don't know if I missed it but no one has actually brought up the word abuse. It doesn't matter - it's not okay to do these things in a relationship.

It doesn't have to be abuse, but that doesn't make it okay. Roaring and shouting and throwing things at your partner is not normal and is at the very least very dysfunctional. No excuse for it.

And I'm sorry, but in this context "passionate" and "dramatic" are just euphemisms for having a bad temper. People do not get a free pass to act however they like just because they are unable to regulate their emotions.

Who was roaring and shouting and throwing plates???? Hint : it wasn't Boris. Yet he is the one under the microscope. Again - I don't like him but this is character assassination.

Faugheen · 23-06-2019 6:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't believe you and your wife have agreed on everything 100% throughout your marriage

Nobody said they never have disagreements or arguments. Just they never had to resort to throwing plates of upending tables.

More people making up sh*t.

23-06-2019 6:29pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

I don't know if I missed it but no one has actually brought up the word abuse. It doesn't matter - it's not okay to do these things in a relationship.

It doesn't have to be abuse, but that doesn't make it okay. Roaring and shouting and throwing things at your partner is not normal and is at the very least very dysfunctional. No excuse for it.

And I'm sorry, but in this context "passionate" and "dramatic" are just euphemisms for having a bad temper. People do not get a free pass to act however they like just because they are unable to regulate their emotions.

We seem to have a bunch of robots in this thread quite frankly. People who never get upset, annoyed or frustrated about anything ever.

If you came home to dsicover your spouse had spent 10k on a credit card for example, and told you it was his or her right and none of your business, would none of you even be slightly upset?

Faugheen · 23-06-2019 6:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We seem to have a bunch of robots in this thread quite frankly. People who never get upset, annoyed or frustrated about anything ever.

Again, nobody is saying that.

You can be upset, annoyed and frustrated but never needed to throw plates or upend tables.

Stop making things up.

23-06-2019 6:32pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Again, nobody is saying that.

You can be upset, annoyed and frustrated but never needed to throw plates or upend tables.

Stop making things up.

We don't know anyone actually threw plates or upended tables. We only know the sound of glass was being broken.

alchemist33 · 23-06-2019 6:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Makes the neighbour look like a nazi collaborator.

Thanks for the laugh! I hate Sunday evenings.

23-06-2019 6:33pm

alchemist33 wrote: »

Thanks for the laugh! I hate Sunday evenings.

The weather is rubbish too!

Faugheen · 23-06-2019 6:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We don't know anyone actually threw plates or upended tables. We only know the sound of glass was being broken.

People in this thread said that throwing plates was 'normal' in a heated argument. It's not normal.

Do you think it's normal? Because you're arguing with people who don't think it is.

23-06-2019 6:40pm

Faugheen wrote: »

People in this thread said that throwing plates was 'normal' in a heated argument. It's not normal.

Do you think it's normal? Because you're arguing with people who don't think it is.

It's not normal to throw plates. However I would say that in a highly stressful situation, like crazy spending, gambling, infidelity etc, and with alcohol on board, as a once off, it would be normal for someone to shout or break something in frustration or anger. Especially with someone denying there was any problem.

Never to physically threaten someone though.

To have shouting matches on a semi regular basis would be a normal way of communicating for some people. I knew people like this who have an otherwise happy and healthy relationship. It's just their way of communicating.

wiggle16 · 23-06-2019 6:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

We seem to have a bunch of robots in this thread quite frankly. People who never get upset, annoyed or frustrated about anything ever.

Ha! You do realise that getting upset, annoyed or frustrated is not carte blanche to act like a chimpanzee, don't you?
Most of us are perfectly capable of conducting ourselves like adults when we are upset. Shouting and roaring in a row is one thing. It's not on, but it's only words at the end of the day. Throwing things around like a chimp is something else entirely.

Deleted User wrote: »

If you came home to dsicover your spouse had spent 10k on a credit card for example, and told you it was his or her right and none of your business, would none of you even be slightly upset?

You're asking if people would be upset. Sure. That doesn't mean they get to throw things.

23-06-2019 6:43pm

No one has commented on my point that we don't know who was throwing things or if anyone in fact threw anything.

Loafing Oaf · 23-06-2019 6:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To have shouting matches on a semi regular basis would be a normal way of communicating for some people. I knew people like this who have an otherwise happy and healthy relationship. It's just their way of communicating.

They're a lovely couple:pac:

23-06-2019 6:45pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

You're asking if people would be upset. Sure. That doesn't mean they get to throw things.

I agree.

Faugheen · 23-06-2019 6:45pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No one has commented on my point that we don't know who was throwing things or if anyone in fact threw anything.

The posts you were replying to were in response to someone who said throwing plates and upending tables was normal...

23-06-2019 6:46pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

They're a lovely couple:pac:

Haha forgot about them, good example!

23-06-2019 6:47pm

Faugheen wrote: »

The posts you were replying to were in response to someone who said throwing plates and upending tables was normal...

Yes I can see how that looks... It was the spirit I was agreeing with. I don't think throwing plates and upending tables is normal.

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-06-2019 6:48pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

They're a lovely couple:pac:

At least that's one pair between us.

brooke 2 · 23-06-2019 6:58pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Happily married 23 years in September. Plenty of roaring shouting screaming cups and plates thrown, small tables upended, doors slammed cars revved..no neighbor ever called the Garda, all forgotten about tomorrow. Normal adult relationship .

Normal??

:eek:

DeanAustin · 23-06-2019 7:02pm

Can’t believe people jumping to conclusions when there is so little actual clarity as to what went on. Was just as likely the missus was the aggressor but that obviously doesn’t suit the narrative.

Frankly, how he behaves at home has little bearing on his ability to do the job. Bill Clinton was anything from creepy to a rapist and he was a bloody good president. This is just a stitch up and you can see agendas being pursued to try and ruin Johnson by those who don’t like him. Pathetic.

Spanish Eyes · 23-06-2019 7:10pm

Any Greek heritage there from the lady or Johnson. They do love crashing their plates.

But anyway, I think Rory Stewart ex MI5 apparently is laughing his socks off at this.

23-06-2019 7:28pm

splinter65 wrote: »

How long have you been married candie and how many kids have you got?

Long term relationship here.

See the thing is this. If I get upset, frustrated and angry at work for any reason, I don't lose my cool and throw things around or scream at my colleagues. I continue to treat them civilly and with respect, because I keep my temper under control. If I didn't I would rightly be called an hysterical bully, a hothead, or just someone with a vile temper. So I behave like a reasonable adult and sort things out without the dramatics.

So when I have an argument with my partner, I already know that I can keep my temper if I want to and I apply the same rules of behaviour with him. I don't scream or shout at him, I don't throw things at him, I don't get into a temper with him, because I respect him as much and more as I do the people I work with.

It's actually pretty easy, since I'm not prone to losing my temper anyway. This doesn't mean I don't get angry, because I do. I deal with it without losing my temper though. It doesn't mean that sometimes I'm not absolutely furious, but when that happens I still manage to control myself.

If my partner treated me like that and lost control of himself, shouting, screaming and throwing things at me, we'd both be single.

Your experience is obviously different, and if this is par for the course with you then that's your normal. Do not make the mistake of thinking that other peoples normal involves exactly the same behaviour as yours does.

There is a huge difference between getting angry or frustrated and losing control of your own actions.

Dog Man Star · 23-06-2019 7:34pm

I think we are seeing the end of the populist, right wing wave now, thank God. Erdogan has lost Istanbul and there are mass protests on the streets of the Czech Republic against a corrupt, right wing PM.

Common sense has prevailed.

I find it very unlikely that Johnson will be elected as PM, even if he is, he will be out before he has taken his coat off.

The last populist nationalist will be voted out in November 2020, then we can get back to actually trying to get along with each other and keeping the planet safe for us to keep living here, rather than attacking people because of their skin colour.

If the British people have a grain of sense, they will force a second referendum and vote to stay in the EU, at least until they have some idea of what it entails to leave, less they force the breakup of the UK.

meeeeh · 23-06-2019 7:51pm

Johnson will be elected. Left wing neighbours call the police and then pass the recording of the argument to Guardian after they are informed no further action is necessary. Johnson's girlfriend is annoyed with neighbours. I think very good of people call the police or check on the neighbours if they hear noise but once you start passing recordings of private 'conversations' (police didn't see the need to take further action) to the media you loose your credibility.

If people didn't realize that Boris Johnson is a selfish chancer and pretty despicable individual by now, I don't think this will change their opinion. Besides when alternative is Corbyn it doesn't even matter. Uk is f****d anyway.

23-06-2019 7:51pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

I think we are seeing the end of the populist, right wing wave now, thank God. Erdogan has lost Istanbul and there are mass protests on the streets of the Czech Republic against a corrupt, right wing PM.

Common sense has prevailed.

I find it very unlikely that Johnson will be elected as PM, even if he is, he will be out before he has taken his coat off.

The last populist nationalist will be voted out in November 2020, then we can get back to actually trying to get along with each other and keeping the planet safe for us to keep living here, rather than attacking people because of their skin colour.

If the British people have a grain of sense, they will force a second referendum and vote to stay in the EU, at least until they have some idea of what it entails to leave, less they force the breakup of the UK.

If you mean elected as in the tory party will elect him, then you're wrong, he will be elected. If you mean in a general election, the tories are finished I agree.

splinter65 · 23-06-2019 7:52pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

On that subject, do we know how many kids Johnson has?

5

splinter65 · 23-06-2019 7:56pm

Candie wrote: »

Long term relationship here.

See the thing is this. If I get upset, frustrated and angry at work for any reason, I don't lose my cool and throw things around or scream at my colleagues. I continue to treat them civilly and with respect, because I keep my temper under control. If I didn't I would rightly be called an hysterical bully, a hothead, or just someone with a vile temper. So I behave like a reasonable adult and sort things out without the dramatics.

So when I have an argument with my partner, I already know that I can keep my temper if I want to and I apply the same rules of behaviour with him. I don't scream or shout at him, I don't throw things at him, I don't get into a temper with him, because I respect him as much and more as I do the people I work with.

It's actually pretty easy, since I'm not prone to losing my temper anyway. This doesn't mean I don't get angry, because I do. I deal with it without losing my temper though. It doesn't mean that sometimes I'm not absolutely furious, but when that happens I still manage to control myself.

If my partner treated me like that and lost control of himself, shouting, screaming and throwing things at me, we'd both be single.

Your experience is obviously different, and if this is par for the course with you then that's your normal. Do not make the mistake of thinking that other peoples normal involves exactly the same behaviour as yours does.

There is a huge difference between getting angry or frustrated and losing control of your own actions.

Why are you pretending that Johnson’s girlfriend didn’t lose control and shout and roar too, and that she told the police that she didn’t need any help?

23-06-2019 8:05pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Why are you pretending that Johnson’s girlfriend didn’t lose control and shout and roar too, and that she told the police that she didn’t need any help?

I'm not pretending anything. I'm replying to your assertion that throwing things, turning over furniture and screaming and shouting at each other is part of a normal adult relationship.

You know that though.

I've no idea if the screaming and throwing things in BJ's case was reciprocal or not. It does show that he's a man who loses control of his temper though, and that's not ideal in a leader, is it?

splinter65 · 23-06-2019 8:16pm

Candie wrote: »

I'm not pretending anything. I'm replying to your assertion that throwing things, turning over furniture and screaming and shouting at each other is part of a normal adult relationship.

You know that though.

I've no idea if the screaming and throwing things in BJ's case was reciprocal or not. It does show that he's a man who loses control of his temper though, and that's not ideal in a leader, is it?

But it was reciprocal. She was heard to be screaming at him that he was spoilt and money wasn’t important to him. Are you saying you’ve never lost your temper?

23-06-2019 8:22pm

splinter65 wrote: »

But it was reciprocal. She was heard to be screaming at him that he was spoilt and money wasn’t important to him.

As well as telling him to get off her and leave? Interesting, but it doesn't establish whether it was he, she, or both of them as the aggressor. We may never know more than the overheard parts and the spin we'll undoubtedly be fed.

Are you saying you’ve never lost your temper?

To the extent that I lost control and shouted and screamed at another person, upended furniture or threw plates? No.

To the extent that I was angry enough to remove myself from the situation until I felt able to discuss it without losing control? Yes.

_blaaz · 23-06-2019 8:53pm

splinter65 wrote: »

But it was reciprocal. She was heard to be screaming at him that he was spoilt and money wasn’t important to him. Are you saying you’ve never lost your temper?

So they are both emotionally immature

Grown adults screaming at each other is pure sign the whole thing is gone toxic and not worth bothering with

dilallio · 23-06-2019 10:21pm

https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2019/06/22/leave-means-leave-boris-johnsons-girlfriend/

:D:D

Boris Johnson’s girlfriend has apparently told a befuddled Boris Johnson that leave means leave during a heated row at her flat in the early hours of this morning.

Despite explaining that “leave” means “get out” several times Mr Johnson is still in the flat demanding access to all of her utilities, the food in her fridge and her vagina.

“Just because Mr Johnson will no longer be in a relationship with Ms Symonds it doesn’t mean he can’t enjoy all the benefits of being in a relationship with Ms Symonds.” A spokesman for Boris Johnson told The Rochdale Herald.

“Obviously he’s still going to enjoy tariff free access to blowjobs and will continue to enjoy staying in the flat whenever he wants rent free without making a contribution to either rent, utilities or council tax.”

“Saying that Mr Johnson would have to remain in the relationship to get free blowjobs, rent free accommodation and three square meals a day is just remoaner nonsense.”

meeeeh · 24-06-2019 9:28am

splinter65 wrote: »

But it was reciprocal. She was heard to be screaming at him that he was spoilt and money wasn’t important to him. Are you saying you’ve never lost your temper?

There is an article in The Sunday Times that implies Boris Johns is prone to outbursts, sense of entitlement and so on. There seems to be a pattern.

Anyway when his partner runs for office of prime minister her temperament will be scrutinized. But at the moment only behavior of one of them is relevant outside of relationship (as long as there is no domestic abuse).

Jimmy Garlic · 24-06-2019 10:59am

I think before every time Boris makes a decision he asks himself "what would Captain Flashheart do?".

seamus · 24-06-2019 11:42am

splinter65 wrote: »

But it was reciprocal. She was heard to be screaming at him that he was spoilt and money wasn’t important to him. Are you saying you’ve never lost your temper?

Being reciprocal is irrelevant.

It means that instead of one emotionally immature adult who can't control their anger, you now have two.

But only one of them is vying to become the next PM, so that's the only one that matters.

If Ms. Symonds is prone to outbursts, then that's her problem, not really a matter for public concern.

If she is the only aggressor and Boris is completely faultless, then it should also be a matter of major concern that a potential leader of the country is in such a relationship and thus is not in a place that would allow them to lead effectively.

There is no interpretation of this incident where Boris looks competent.

That is, unless you have the insane belief that shouting, screaming and violence is part and parcel of a normal relationship.

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-06-2019 1:12pm

S'Times poll of 1024 (in Alba): 53% say they would go independent if Boris gets in (as opposed to 49% currently).

if Dup = Boris.
Boris = i-Scotland
+ = UI.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-06-2019 1:19pm

I think this whole thing is rather convenient.
Happened the same week Boris denied having anything to do with Steve Bannon and Bannon coming out on tape saying he was heavily involved with Boris and advising him and his strategies.

It’s classic ‘look over here, not over there, look over here’.

Bizarre the domestic is on the front pages when there’s a far more serious story running unnoticed.

British media either not doing its job or playing a blinder in directing the narrative away from the important story.

Boggles · 24-06-2019 2:07pm

Meh, The Conservative Party Membership would probably welcome input from the likes of that snake Bannon.

And even if it was intentional, it has backed fired, Major donor now calling for an explanation.

Loafing Oaf · 24-06-2019 2:11pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I think this whole thing is rather convenient.
Happened the same week Boris denied having anything to do with Steve Bannon and Bannon coming out on tape saying he was heavily involved with Boris and advising him and his strategies.

It’s classic ‘look over here, not over there, look over here’.

Bizarre the domestic is on the front pages when there’s a far more serious story running unnoticed.

British media either not doing its job or playing a blinder in directing the narrative away from the important story.

Okay so Boris and his missus staged the row as a distraction. Good job they hadn't run out of plates to smash before the neighbours called the cops...

Stop moaning ffs · 24-06-2019 2:14pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Okay so Boris and his missus staged the row as a distraction. Good job they hadn't run out of plates to smash before the neighbours called the cops...

Wasn’t suggesting the domestic was staged at all (although now I wonder).
But the the timing and manner of the coverage tells you a lot. Only carol cadwallader seeks to be asking and raising awareness about the Bannon involvement. BBC etc haven’t touched it.

Boris Johnson in a bit of strife

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