Changes in the GAA - super thread

blanch152 · 21-06-2019 12:10AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

That's really interesting about Dublin having more GDOs than the FAI! And the FAI are hoping to train their players to a professional or premier league standard.

GDOs seem to be the difference between success and failure and will be in future. Its now all based on very scientific development and as you say the concentration of players in centres of excellence. Dublin have a headstart on this, huge numbers of players centred in relatively few clubs, making the most of the GDOs and facilities. Large rural counties with low population densities are at a disadvantage.

The whole thing is very interesting but at the same time, if trends continue as you say, counties with large urban centres such as Limerick, Galway and Dublin will dominate in football and hurling. I'm guessing Corks disadvantage is that hurling is popular in the city but football is more rural. Or else rugby and soccer dominate in urban centres.

A complete misunderstanding of the reality on the ground. GDOs are not about training players to a professional standard. If you want to get an idea of the extent of underage competition in Dublin, browse this site.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/competitions/juvenile

Have a look at the number of teams, then have a think about the organisation that underpins that. Nothing to do with the senior team, all to do with giving the ordinary kid the chance to play the game.

It is a real shame that so many posters on here want to take away that opportunity purely in the short-term interest of their county winning an All-Ireland. Nothing would be hollower than a Mayo or a Meath winning an All-Ireland because the money was taken away from looking after kids so that they could mollycoddle their senior teams.

Bonniedog · 21-06-2019 12:16AM

The fact that our friend is bigging up the monumentally corrupt and incompetent FAI says it all really.

Shares the same hatred for Dublin GAA that those losers do, strangely enough. Well, not that strangely.

Dots1982 · 21-06-2019 06:59AM

blanch152 wrote: »

It is a real shame that so many posters on here want to take away that opportunity purely in the short-term interest of their county winning an All-Ireland. Nothing would be hollower than a Mayo or a Meath winning an All-Ireland because the money was taken away from looking after kids so that they could mollycoddle their senior teams.

Dublin GAA fundraiser 60k a year while other counties raise millions. If the money was taken away Dublin could make an effort to fundraise.

ToBeFrank123 · 21-06-2019 09:53AM

blanch152 wrote: »

A complete misunderstanding of the reality on the ground. GDOs are not about training players to a professional standard. If you want to get an idea of the extent of underage competition in Dublin, browse this site.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/competitions/juvenile

Have a look at the number of teams, then have a think about the organisation that underpins that. Nothing to do with the senior team, all to do with giving the ordinary kid the chance to play the game.

It is a real shame that so many posters on here want to take away that opportunity purely in the short-term interest of their county winning an All-Ireland. Nothing would be hollower than a Mayo or a Meath winning an All-Ireland because the money was taken away from looking after kids so that they could mollycoddle their senior teams.

FFS. Did I say gaelic players were being trained to a professional standard? I said soccer players were being trained to a professional standard. So well done for the big fat lie. I won't hold my breath for an apology.

As for training young kids, questions have been asked why Dublin received 13 times more than Cork over 10 years despite having only 20% more registered players and 2 and half times the population. Dublin are throwing millions at the problem of participation but its failed to see a significant increase in registered players. Dublin is hugely below the player registration rates of virtually every other county - these are facts that even you cannot dispute. And please spare the stock answer "won't you think of the Dublin kids?".

I was hoping for a minute you'd take off your Dublin jersey to discuss objectively some things. Instead you pulled it on even tighter and got even more defensive which appears to be the stock Dublin supporter response. No interest in the overall health of gaelic football, only in the health of Dublin football. I've yet to meet a Dublin supporter who thinks otherwise or wants to level the playing field, other than some nonsense about amalgamating counties.

And anyone who thinks GDF funding doesn't help senior success long term is talking nonsense. What we have seen in Dublin is exactly what you warned against, senior success yet a pathetic rise in serious participation rate unless you consider some kid handpassing a ball in a school yard and never joining a club participation? The money is being concentrated on players who have potential to give them an advantage over other counties with the best resources thrown at them. After that a token effort is being made to increase participation rates which has failed abysmally. Very few if any non nationals are on Dublin county teams, male or female, at any level. This is one example of the failure to seriously increase participation.

Dublin funding represents to me everything that has failed with the GAA over the last 15 years.

ToBeFrank123 · 21-06-2019 10:03AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

The fact that our friend is bigging up the monumentally corrupt and incompetent FAI says it all really.

Shares the same hatred for Dublin GAA that those losers do, strangely enough. Well, not that strangely.

My beef is with the GAA and the way they distribute funds.

Reported your post as its just the usual insults without any serious discussion, a common tactic from supporters of one county it seems when you start to talk about funding imbalances which are a fact not an opinion.

STB. · 22-06-2019 09:03PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

My beef is with the GAA and the way they distribute funds.

Reported your post as its just the usual insults without any serious discussion, a common tactic from supporters of one county it seems when you start to talk about funding imbalances which are a fact not an opinion.

You can continue your spat with Bonnie, but......

Funding imbalances my backside. The GAA want as many playing the game as possible regardless of where it is. The competition to get kids playing x sport is very competitive in Dublin as there are more sports that can take them away from the GAA.

Its not rocket science that large population centres will always get more funding as a result.

I gather that the Dublin County Board are not spending this money on genetically modified players. There are only 15 men on each team on the field at one time.

The arguments here about the far reach of what GDOs do in Soccer and what they do in GAA couldn't be more far removed.

The same old nonsense is trotted out when someone from one county wonders why the big bad dubs can beat every one with ease.

It hasn't always been this way (1995 to 2010 for a start). Its first about getting as many playing as possible, and hoping the cream will come to the top. The Dubs are just in a fortunate position that they have a squad of players now that are very good not alone in skillfullness, but also fitness. Individually they give up some amount of time for the game to get to that level. Is this true of all players in every county ?

Beechwoodspark · 23-06-2019 10:16AM

As I have said many times before simply on the basis of the population numbers Dublin should be split into 4 for a trial period.

The financial doping scandal of course has to be resolved also. No more bonanzas for Dublin. Also the level of investment in Dublin over the last 2 decades has to be taken into account. The other counties have to play catch up with them due to this situation being allowed to arise.

Ideally after the catch up period there should be Same level of funding proportionate to playing population so the player in Leitrim for example gets the same level as Dublin. That is not rocket science.

My advice would be that every county delegate in Congress demand the above and introduce a reporting structure so that the funding can be verified. Quarterly reports.

Also, I would suggest a tribunal of investigation into how things were allowed to get so bad in the first place.

STB. · 23-06-2019 03:48PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

As I have said many times before simply on the basis of the population numbers Dublin should be split into 4 for a trial period.

The financial doping scandal of course has to be resolved also. No more bonanzas for Dublin. blah blah blah.

Strange that the same calls for splitting Dublin weren't so vociferous between 1995 and 2011.
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Financial doping, my backside.

Doping suggests cheating.

If there are only 15 men from each team on the pitch at any one time, you shouldn't need to look for straws to grasp at to make excuses for why your team isn't up to the mark.

Green eyed monsters.:)

Beechwoodspark · 23-06-2019 04:58PM

STB. wrote: »

Strange that the same calls for splitting Dublin weren't so vociferous between 1995 and 2011.
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Financial doping, my backside.

Doping suggests cheating.

If there are only 15 men from each team on the pitch at any one time, you shouldn't need to look for straws to grasp at to make excuses for why your team isn't up to the mark.

Green eyed monsters.:)

I’d respectfully suggest u should go back and read say the last 5 pages of this thread and you will gain some knowledge on the deep inequalities in the gaa and unfair advantages that Dublin enjoy currently. Shameful stuff.

Beechwoodspark · 23-06-2019 05:42PM

The main thing is the huge huge advantages Dublin have over the rest of the country. Financial being the main one and also of course sheer numbers.

Ludicrously unfair.

I’d go so far to say Dublin have “doped” their way to success. I don’t mean by using banned substances but by financial means.

The phrase “throw your medals in the bin because you got them from cheating” sums it up well.

The eternally smug Jim G, The dubs team and fans know this but it’s taboo to admit it openly.

A good number admit as much when it is raised especially after the latest empty “win” and a few pints are had.

It will continue to ruin it until substantial reforms are implemented.

windy shepard henderson · 23-06-2019 05:52PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The main thing is the huge huge advantages Dublin have over the rest of the country. Financial being the main one and also of course sheer numbers.

Ludicrously unfair.

I’d go so far to say Dublin have “doped” their way to success. I don’t mean by using banned substances but by financial means.

The phrase “throw your medals in the bin because you got them from cheating” sums it up well.

The eternally smug Jim G, The dubs team and fans know this but it’s taboo to admit it openly.

A good number admit as much when it is raised especially after the latest empty “win” and a few pints are had.

It will continue to ruin it until substantial reforms are implemented.

complete and utter nonsense , dublins success is firmly down to several counties and county boards taking the eye off the ball at local development level

the same thing happened in hurling with kilkenny in the 00s

for example in leinster do you honestly think counties like

laois are as good as they were in the late 90s and 2000s
kildare as good as they were in the late 90s and 2000s
westmeath as good as what they were in the mid 2000s
Meath are nowhere near as good as what they were up to the late 00s
offay were last competitive in the late 90s and early 2000s

cork have gone miles back in munster
derry and down have gone miles back in ulster why ? because of dublin ...nonsense

they are not being run probably at county board level and are milles behind counties like roscommon , monaghan, tyrone mayo ,galway and even cavan in underage development work that's why leinster has been so one sided

Dots1982 · 23-06-2019 06:21PM

This domination is only the start. Once Dublin develop a club network to give the huge added levels of underage participation a chance to compete at club senior level then Dublin might realize their full potential.

At the moment Dublin are producing underage players that will leave the game because there aren’t enough clubs to afford them opportunities at senior level.

RoyalCelt · 23-06-2019 07:32PM

Yeah this is going to get much worse. The funding inequality will continue in future too. The GAA won't back down. The number and quality of underage players being developed and coming through is only going to improve.

Assuming the leinster championship isn't disbanded by then I don't think any leinster team will get with 25 points of them on any given year. But one things for certain, Dublin fans will still be telling us their 3 favourite lines.

1. Funding doesn't matter
2. This is a golden group of players
3. This won't last forever

You're fooling nobody lads.

Fann Linn · 23-06-2019 07:49PM

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Yeah this is going to get much worse. The funding inequality will continue in future too. The GAA won't back down. The number and quality of underage players being developed and coming through is only going to improve.

Assuming the leinster championship isn't disbanded by then I don't think any leinster team will get with 25 points of them on any given year. But one things for certain, Dublin fans will still be telling us their 3 favourite lines.

1. Funding doesn't matter
2. This is a golden group of players
3. This won't last forever

You're fooling nobody lads.

Your own forward line let ye down today. No one else.

doc_17 · 23-06-2019 10:30PM

“Of all the bull**** out of Dublin, there's been nothing as insulting as the recent "we're great because our volunteers work bloody hard". What's the rest of the country been doing this 130 years? The impact of money is far past deniability. If it has no effect, hand it back #GAA”

From Cahir O’Kane on Twitter. Impossible to argue with. Totally impossible.

Fann Linn · 23-06-2019 10:35PM

doc_17 wrote: »

“Of all the bull**** out of Dublin, there's been nothing as insulting as the recent "we're great because our volunteers work bloody hard". What's the rest of the country been doing this 130 years? The impact of money is far past deniability. If it has no effect, hand it back #GAA”

From Cahir O’Kane on Twitter. Impossible to argue with. Totally impossible.

Who ?

doc_17 · 23-06-2019 10:40PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

“Of all the bull**** out of Dublin, there's been nothing as insulting as the recent "we're great because our volunteers work bloody hard". What's the rest of the country been doing this 130 years? The impact of money is far past deniability. If it has no effect, hand it back #GAA”

From Cahir O’Kane on Twitter. Impossible to argue with. Totally impossible.

Who ?

Can’t you read?

God bless

doc_17 · 23-06-2019 10:40PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

“Of all the bull**** out of Dublin, there's been nothing as insulting as the recent "we're great because our volunteers work bloody hard". What's the rest of the country been doing this 130 years? The impact of money is far past deniability. If it has no effect, hand it back #GAA”

From Cahir O’Kane on Twitter. Impossible to argue with. Totally impossible.

Who ?

Can’t you read?

God bless

Fann Linn · 23-06-2019 10:45PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Can’t you read?

God bless

Twitter, meh.

doc_17 · 23-06-2019 10:49PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Can’t you read?

God bless

Twitter, meh.

I’ll take it that you can’t find a flaw in the point. But nobody thinking rationally could find one.

“Our brilliance is down to our own work and we don’t need or want any extra help that others aren’t getting. But we’ll keep taking that help though”

Fann Linn · 23-06-2019 10:53PM

doc_17 wrote: »

I’ll take it that you can’t find a flaw in the point. But nobody thinking rationally could find one.

“Our brilliance is down to our own work and we don’t need or want any extra help that others aren’t getting. But we’ll keep taking that help though”

Nope. The difference being Meath forwards who couldn't kick from 30 mtrs as opposed to Dublin players who had no such problems.

threeball · 23-06-2019 11:26PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Nope. The difference being Meath forwards who couldn't kick from 30 mtrs as opposed to Dublin players who had no such problems.

Belief and confidence have huge impacts on performance. Knowing that anything less than almost perfection in their display would at best mean defeat and at worst a tanking means that every Meath chance had more pressure on it than the Dublin ones. One miss ups the pressure and drops the confidence and the effect multiplies.

It's not as simple as Meath players can't kick the ball 30mtrs. That's obviously not true even though you would like to simplify it down to that.

Stoner · 24-06-2019 12:09AM

threeball wrote:

It's not as simple as Meath players can't kick the ball 30mtrs. That's obviously not true even though you would like to simplify it down to that.

Plenty of teams get hammered but still score, what pressure were they under?
Some were handy enough kicks for this level, some unlucky

How were they hopeless and under huge pressure, how was their survival depending on every shot when they were supposedly beaten coming in the gate?

Pick one

You can't have it every way threeball. Whatever happened to no pressure on the underdog?

You can't blame Dublin for your county players dropping their heads because ultimately they'll meet Dublin down the line if they win!!

Same here , Meath apparently had no chance but were supposedly under huge pressure.

Look at Cavan today, destroyed by Donegal almost everywhere but could still score, somehow got it to 4 points

Pressure kicks are to win or draw games, or in close games. Like the kicks that the Mayo lads have missed against this Dublin team. They are pressure kicks, when teams are close. They exist in football, but that's not what happended today, though you like to simplify it to that.

Meath were terrible upfront today. Graham Reilly is a great man to score when Meath are winning, if you don't believe me ask a friend from Meath if you have one,

They dropped their heads, like Galway did against Roscommon, that's an issue to sort out like every other footballing issue like being flakey, windy, can't score under pressure etc.
They say you can't put bottle into a player, but that's not what we saw today.
To me, Meath looked like a team that trained hard for fitness and possibly neglected the shot selection and execution sessions.

It can be improved upon, teams improve on weaknesses like shot taking and tackling between games all time

I'm off to bed, don't stay up all night replying to me, I don't want you blaming a Dublin man on you being late for work in the morning, or a breakup or drinking etc.

RoyalCelt · 24-06-2019 12:58AM

If Meath took all their scores and Dublin all theirs we would still have been Hammered. You missed a few easy ones too and should have had a few goals. And even if we did score say 15 points the Dubs would have upped it and scored more.

I just hope the best of the other provinces can get within 10 points because if not I seriously fear for the future of the sport.

ToBeFrank123 · 24-06-2019 10:46AM

There are 50 better causes for investment than GDF in Dublin.
You'd swear participation was only an issue in Dublin.
What about
Kilkenny football
Antrim hurling
Down hurling
Offaly hurling
Cork football
Hurling in a number of counties such as Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone
Hurling in North Galway
Football in South Galway
Football in Tipperary, Limerick, Waterford, etc
And participation issues in every county.

All currently get crumbs while Dublin sucks up everything, the second most successful football county. Dublin received something like 25 times the GDF of Tyrone, their 2018 opponents, between 2007 and 2018.

At this stage its never been so obvious the GAA wear the Dublin jersey and in doing so have fatally undermined two of their marquee tournaments, the Leinster championship and Sam Maguire. I'd estimate they have about 3 years to resolve the mess by fairly distributing funding to the counties I mentioned above.

You cannot do anything without funding. Dublin and Dublin supporters know this better than everyone and its why they immediately shout down anyone who talks about it. Their greed is killing the sport.

blanch152 · 24-06-2019 11:00AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

There are 50 better causes for investment than GDF in Dublin.
You'd swear participation was only an issue in Dublin.
What about
Kilkenny football
Antrim hurling
Down hurling
Offaly hurling
Cork football
Hurling in a number of counties such as Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone
Hurling in North Galway
Football in South Galway
Football in Tipperary, Limerick, Waterford, etc
And participation issues in every county.

All currently get crumbs while Dublin sucks up everything, the second most successful football county. Dublin received something like 25 times the GDF of Tyrone, their 2018 opponents, between 2007 and 2018.

At this stage its never been so obvious the GAA wear the Dublin jersey and in doing so have fatally undermined two of their marquee tournaments, the Leinster championship and Sam Maguire. I'd estimate they have about 3 years to resolve the mess by fairly distributing funding to the counties I mentioned above.

You cannot do anything without funding. Dublin and Dublin supporters know this better than everyone and its why they immediately shout down anyone who talks about it.

Your argument is tired at this stage. Has anyone ever seen a plan for Kilkenny football that wasn't written on the back of an envelope? Should there even be a plan for Kilkenny football? Without amalgamations, will Kilkenny ever be able to compete at football? These are the questions that need answering before a penny is given.

We know that some counties like Mayo will just spend any and all of their money on the senior team, we know that others like Cork (Pairc Ui Chaoimh) and Kerry (lovely development centre and 2 county grounds) are more interested in vanity bricks and mortar projects than in juvenile participation.

In all of the cases you mentioned, funding is worthless without planned structures. There are no plans for structures, there is no organised thinking, there is no point in wasting money.

The lamenting of the Leinster Football Championship continued today, but where was the lamenting of the Leinster Hurling Championship when Kilkenny were winning 16 out of 19? Or the Munster Football Championship any time over the last century? What about the state of the Connacht Hurling Championship? Oh, none since 1999.

The GAA have far bigger problems than the success of Dublin. They need to focus on grassroots participation and devise plans to increase it, copying the successful model in Dublin, but not ending the Dublin model. At the end of the day, the GAA is about community, it is about club.

kksaints · 24-06-2019 12:20PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Your argument is tired at this stage. Has anyone ever seen a plan for Kilkenny football that wasn't written on the back of an envelope? Should there even be a plan for Kilkenny football? Without amalgamations, will Kilkenny ever be able to compete at football? These are the questions that need answering before a penny is given.

We know that some counties like Mayo will just spend any and all of their money on the senior team, we know that others like Cork (Pairc Ui Chaoimh) and Kerry (lovely development centre and 2 county grounds) are more interested in vanity bricks and mortar projects than in juvenile participation.

In all of the cases you mentioned, funding is worthless without planned structures. There are no plans for structures, there is no organised thinking, there is no point in wasting money.

The lamenting of the Leinster Football Championship continued today, but where was the lamenting of the Leinster Hurling Championship when Kilkenny were winning 16 out of 19? Or the Munster Football Championship any time over the last century? What about the state of the Connacht Hurling Championship? Oh, none since 1999.

The GAA have far bigger problems than the success of Dublin. They need to focus on grassroots participation and devise plans to increase it, copying the successful model in Dublin, but not ending the Dublin model. At the end of the day, the GAA is about community, it is about club.

Just on this point, there was considerable lamenting when we dominated Leinster Hurling and they did attempt to deal with it after a couple of finals with terrible attendances by introducing Galway and Antrim to the championship which worked for Galway less so for Antrim.

Pogue eile · 24-06-2019 12:52PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Your argument is tired at this stage. Has anyone ever seen a plan for Kilkenny football that wasn't written on the back of an envelope? Should there even be a plan for Kilkenny football? Without amalgamations, will Kilkenny ever be able to compete at football? These are the questions that need answering before a penny is given.

We know that some counties like Mayo will just spend any and all of their money on the senior team, we know that others like Cork (Pairc Ui Chaoimh) and Kerry (lovely development centre and 2 county grounds) are more interested in vanity bricks and mortar projects than in juvenile participation.

In all of the cases you mentioned, funding is worthless without planned structures. There are no plans for structures, there is no organised thinking, there is no point in wasting money.

The lamenting of the Leinster Football Championship continued today, but where was the lamenting of the Leinster Hurling Championship when Kilkenny were winning 16 out of 19? Or the Munster Football Championship any time over the last century? What about the state of the Connacht Hurling Championship? Oh, none since 1999.

The GAA have far bigger problems than the success of Dublin. They need to focus on grassroots participation and devise plans to increase it, copying the successful model in Dublin, but not ending the Dublin model. At the end of the day, the GAA is about community, it is about club.

While I actually agree with your overriding point that the problems at the moment are not Dublins and there is a need to the others to simply step up, everything in the bolded text is incorrect, ill-informed and disrespectful.

ToBeFrank123 · 24-06-2019 02:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Your argument is tired at this stage. Has anyone ever seen a plan for Kilkenny football that wasn't written on the back of an envelope? Should there even be a plan for Kilkenny football? Without amalgamations, will Kilkenny ever be able to compete at football? These are the questions that need answering before a penny is given.

We know that some counties like Mayo will just spend any and all of their money on the senior team, we know that others like Cork (Pairc Ui Chaoimh) and Kerry (lovely development centre and 2 county grounds) are more interested in vanity bricks and mortar projects than in juvenile participation.

In all of the cases you mentioned, funding is worthless without planned structures. There are no plans for structures, there is no organised thinking, there is no point in wasting money.

The lamenting of the Leinster Football Championship continued today, but where was the lamenting of the Leinster Hurling Championship when Kilkenny were winning 16 out of 19? Or the Munster Football Championship any time over the last century? What about the state of the Connacht Hurling Championship? Oh, none since 1999.

The GAA have far bigger problems than the success of Dublin. They need to focus on grassroots participation and devise plans to increase it, copying the successful model in Dublin, but not ending the Dublin model. At the end of the day, the GAA is about community, it is about club.

More nonsense.
Dublin were handed their home ground Croke Park free of charge. They were also handed a training centre at Abbotstown which although meant for all of Leinster is completely impractical for most counties in Leinster except Dublin.

Mayo, Kerry and Cork have to largely fund their own county grounds as well as training centres. Dublin received 18.5 million from 2007 to 2018. Mayo, Cork and Kerry each received just over 1 million if not less in some cases. In other words a pittance for games development. And before you say its because of the population differences, it isn't. Dublin is only 2 and half times the population of Cork.

Its also been pointed out to you that most counties have pretty good strategic plans in operation, but there is no money to fund them. Unless its Dublin, the GAA are not interested.

A lot of work was put into making the Leinster hurling championship competitive including boosting funds to Dublin. Its now more competitive than ever. A shame the same can't be said about the Leinster football championship which has become a joke.

For as long as Dublin receive many multiples in funding of other counties, despite massive sponsorship deals, sports grants, as well as not having a loan to pay off Croke Park, people will point out the completely unbalanced nature of senior inter county and why its impossible to take it seriously anymore.

threeball · 24-06-2019 02:13PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

More nonsense.
Dublin were handed their home ground Croke Park free of charge. They were also handed a training centre at Abbotstown which although meant for all of Leinster is completely impractical for most counties in Leinster except Dublin.

Mayo, Kerry and Cork have to largely fund their own county grounds as well as training centres. Dublin received 18.5 million from 2007 to 2018. Mayo, Cork and Kerry each received just over 1 million if not less in some cases. In other words a pittance for games development. And before you say its because of the population differences, it isn't. Dublin is only 2 and half times the population of Cork.

Its also been pointed out to you that most counties have pretty good strategic plans in operation, but there is no money to fund them. Unless its Dublin, the GAA are not interested.

A lot of work was put into making the Leinster hurling championship competitive including boosting funds to Dublin. Its now more competitive than ever. A shame the same can't be said about the Leinster football championship which has become a joke.

You're wasting your time replying to the majority of Dubs on here. They don't give a toss about the health of the game they only care about winning, however meaningless the winning has become matters not.

Any one who wouldn't at least concede that the per capita money available should be at least equally divided is a simpleton and has no interest in fairness. Those arguing that the current system of giving Dublin sometimes 20 times as much per capita is worse than that. Thats before you get into sponsorships, stadiums, home advantage and all the rest.

Changes in the GAA - super thread

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