Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 09:53PM

I am just NOT about extreme polarization in politics or life.

And definitely not about hate.

And you hang out with people just like you ...your ideas become more extreme.

Both sides are at it.

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 09:53PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

And we all know how smart Boris Johnson is!

Boris will make him head of national security if he wins. Its exactly the same thing Trump would do. Boris & trump will get along well together

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 09:54PM

listermint wrote: »

Exactly.

Two kips. We need to be very careful that it doesn't catch on here. And lads like those on this thread have to be called out at all times

We don't need a divided Ireland. We've had it. It's zero crack.

Yeah. We are all people.

It can take generations to get over that divide.

listermint · 22-06-2019 09:56PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am just NOT about extreme polarization in politics or life.

And definitely not about hate.

And you hang out with people just like you ...your ideas become more extreme.

Both sides are at it.

It begins with finding a problem. Let's say austerity for example.

Then second stage is finding blame .

Any minority will do.

Then it starts with being open about how bad this minority is. Public declarations do fine for that.

Then you attack anyone that trys to defend that group.

Then you attack the middle ground media.

Finally the judiciary and then the political parties that hold the centre

Job completed

Germany 1939

FishHook · 22-06-2019 09:57PM

Looking at the footage I thought he was OTT, but the protestor can't expect to just stroll into an event like that and not expect a reaction, particularly in this day and age.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 09:57PM

listermint wrote: »

It begins with finding a problem. Let's say austerity for example.

Them second stage is finding blame .

Any minority will do.

Then it starts with being open about how bad this minority is. Public declarations do fine for that.

Then you attack anyone that trys to defend that group.

Then you attack the middle ground media.

Finally the judiciary and then the political parties that hold the centre

Job completed

Germany 1939

Germany Russia China.

Extremism and radicals.

listermint · 22-06-2019 09:59PM

FishHook wrote: »

Looking at the footage I thought he was OTT, but the protestor can't expect to just stroll into an event like that and not expect a reaction, particularly in this day and age.

I know yeah. Walking into a dinner party in dinner attire. Not shouting but calmly talking about climate policy.

It's just like you know..... Extreme. It should be met with extreme force.

Especially.... In this day and age of fear and more fear and division

Division

Division
.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 10:00PM

FishHook wrote: »

Looking at the footage I thought he was OTT, but the protestor can't expect to just stroll into an event like that and not expect a reaction, particularly in this day and age.

She shouldn't have done it. He should not have reacted.

They are both wrong.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 10:01PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

And we all know how smart Boris Johnson is!

He's actually very smart, although he plays the buffoon quite well.

22-06-2019 10:02PM

listermint wrote: »

I've been in many confrontations, it happens when you travel around the world and unknowingly end up in a less that salubrious area.

One thing I do know, I use my mouth to talk down situations. It's actually a trained tactic. Our own police force are great at it. Something the US cops don't have.

What fields did was grab a woman by the throat. He's a prick. He did nothing right he failed on all accounts.

But it wouldn't matter to you though he fits your defense zoning he's a Tory he's anti EU therefore infallible.

Too easy.

What the fuk is "defence zoning" and why do you think I like Tories? And I'm one of the post pro-EU posters on here.

This reminds of that time you accused me of mocking my girlfriend for using the actual medical term for what she has. 10 seconds of research would have told you how fuking stupid you were about to sound. No apology yet.

See, listermint. If you just post of feelings, you end up sounding like a wanker.

Mod-Banned

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 10:03PM

listermint wrote: »

I know yeah. Walking into a dinner party in dinner attire. Not shouting but calmly talking about climate policy.

It's just like you know..... Extreme. It should be met with extreme force.

Especially.... In this day and age of fear and more fear and division

Division

Division
.

I am not talking about THIS incident. But greenpeace are extreme though.

Their actions are extreme
It doesn't justify his reaction though.

Two wrongs don't make a right. They make totalitarianism.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 10:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He's actually very smart, although he plays the buffoon quite well.

He's not I know someone who had to work with him.

He is really a buffoon.

listermint · 22-06-2019 10:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What the fuk is "defence zoning" and why do you think I like Tories? And I'm one of the post pro-EU posters on here.

This reminds of that time you accused me of mocking my girlfriend for using the actual medical term for what she has. 10 seconds of research would have told you how fuking stupid you were about to sound. No apology yet.

See, listermint. If you just post of feelings, you end up sounding like a wanker.

I can't keep up with you you're a flip flopper. And I've no idea what you are talking about with your girlfriend and terminology you used.

end of the road · 22-06-2019 10:27PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The above is your opinion only. Hindsight is great isn't it?

not simply my opinion, but the likely reality given what we know and given the video and what is contained within it.

runawaybishop wrote: »

Nope, it's not assault if acting in self defense or the defense of others. By either definition.

for which there is so far, nothing to show that he was acting in such a capacity.

Danzy wrote: »

She isn't going to press charges because she knows she hasn't a leg to stand on and if they charged her it would be a clear conviction.

the police could still charge her if she committed a crime, regardless of whether she would or wouldn't press charges. so i would think the possibility of being charged and convicted for a crime, would be unlikely to be the reason for her not pressing charges, as not pressing charges won't get her off any potential charges if she were to face any.

runawaybishop wrote: »

We don't have to argue anything, it's already been stated.

He called the presence of the Greenpeace activists a “major security breach,” adding: “In the confusion many guests understandably felt threatened and when one protester rushed past me towards the top table I instinctively reacted. I was for a split-second genuinely worried she might have been armed.

He thought she was going to assault someone, he had lawful reason to use force to stop her.

that is just a statement he made. it isn't proof that he genuinely believed what he is claiming he believed.
he may have believed it and he may be covering his backside. either way he will have to show that he was warrented to believe what he claimed i would suspect.

22-06-2019 10:34PM

listermint wrote:

I'm calling them a sad version of the alt right.

Ok.

listermint wrote:

Read a book the odd time. You might pick something up.

Cheers man. I appreciate the advice.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

And people are just RUDE to each other.

Your passive aggressive tone is horrendously rude.

listermint wrote:

It's just like you know..... Extreme. It should be met with extreme force.

Wut?

listermint wrote:

Especially.... In this day and age of fear and more fear and division

listermint wrote:

Division

listermint wrote:

Division .

Calm down

Junkyard Tom · 22-06-2019 10:36PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

In the US the right went off on one....now the left with the likes of Cortez is pulling harder to the extreme left in reaction

Don't buy the utter nonsense that AO Cortez is in any way 'extreme left'. Cortez would be a regular Social Democrat in Europe where the policies she espouses are the norm.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 10:36PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

He's not I know someone who had to work with him.

Oh you know someone that had to work for him, ah that makes your claim fact so. ;-)

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 10:37PM

end of the road wrote:

not simply my opinion.

It is though.

end of the road · 22-06-2019 10:40PM

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

completely wrong.
an mp was murdered in england not so long ago, more have seriously assaulted like george calloway, and just lately politicians have has items thrown at them and the comedian jo brand encourages throwing battery acid at people.

jo branddid not encourage anyone to throw acid at or over anyone. she was very clear in what she said and that she did not condone such actions.

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

add to this that he is not a trained security professional and there it would be impossible to prosecute him for assault.

the fact he isn't trained as a security professional does not make it impossible to prosecute him for assault.

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

So let his constituency decide whether he keeps his job not the social media mob.

his constituents can decide if they wish for him to continue representing them, however his current party have a right to decide if they wish to be associated with him, and whether he should be able to continue to be a member of the party. as even if his constituents do support him and want him to continue representing them, enough of the party membership may not want him representing people under their banner.

Junkyard Tom · 22-06-2019 10:47PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He's actually very smart, although he plays the buffoon quite well.

He's an idiot who is the personification of the Dunning Kruger effect:

Boris' ambition sometimes exceeded his ability, [Andrew Gilmour said] of their time at Eton: ‘Genius musician Paul Richardson won the piano competition every year except one. Boris found this insufferable.

‘He took up the piano, thinking he’d win it next year. He had no idea how difficult the piano was. He had such confidence in his own ability he just thought he’d come sailing in.’

dailymail.co.uk/news

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 10:51PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

He's an idiot who is the personification of the Dunning Kruger effect:

Boris' ambition sometimes exceeded his ability, [Andrew Gilmour said] of their time at Eton: ‘Genius musician Paul Richardson won the piano competition every year except one. Boris found this insufferable.

‘He took up the piano, thinking he’d win it next year. He had no idea how difficult the piano was. He had such confidence in his own ability he just thought he’d come sailing in.’

dailymail.co.uk/news

Sounds about right.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 10:52PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Oh you know someone that had to work for him, ah that makes your claim fact so. ;-)

Had to work with him. My Dad. And yes he IS an idiot.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 11:00PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Had to work with him. My Dad. And yes he IS an idiot.

Why do I think your lying. ;-)

Dante7 · 22-06-2019 11:04PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why do I think your lying. ;-)

Because you have an inbuilt prejudice regarding this topic.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 11:06PM

Dante7 wrote:

Because you have an inbuilt prejudice regarding this topic.

No prejudice here dude, also I don't feel the need to tell porkies to anonymous posters on the internet.

22-06-2019 11:10PM

Dante7 wrote:

Because you have an inbuilt prejudice regarding this topic.

Would it be acceptable for a woman to stop a man in the same manner? If he had stopped a man rushing a top table in the same manner would it have been unacceptable?

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 11:23PM

Deleted User wrote:

Would it be acceptable for a woman to stop a man in the same manner? If he had stopped a man rushing a top table in the same manner would it have been unacceptable?

Your terminology is brilliant. Rushing no less. Walking at a smart pace at best.

I don't believe he has the balls to try stop a man.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 11:26PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why do I think your lying. ;-)

I'm not. My father has worked with several well known figures over the years. He has worked in media law in the UK and Ireland. He has also worked for the BBC and RTE.

It's not like he knows him personally. But professionally he did briefly.

He did work for the Tory party.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 11:31PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

I don't believe he has the balls to try stop a man.

How do you know?

22-06-2019 11:34PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

I don't believe he has the balls to try stop a man.

How many "balls" does it take to stop a man?

Ridiculous.

In fact, I think it takes more "balls" to stop a woman in this day and age.

He found out the hard way.

Women are equal until they arent.

Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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