Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

Pissartist · 22-06-2019 08:34PM

It was assault as far as I'm concerned

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 08:37PM

runawaybishop wrote:

Assault has a specific legal definition, stop abusing it

Assault is a physical act. He committed this act several times.

The legal assault can only be determined by a court of law.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:39PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Assault is a physical act. He committed this act several times.

The legal assault can only be determined by a court of law.

Nope, it's not assault if acting in self defense or the defense of others. By either definition.

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2019 08:39PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

Assault is a physical act. He committed this act several times.

I'm beginning to think you are absolutely clueless and spouting crap.

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 08:40PM

runawaybishop wrote:

No one else needed to stop her after he removed her. The fact that he acted first doesn't make him wrong

You side stepped my question.

Several protesters entered the room. Some quite vocal. All the protesters were removed from the room but he was the only one who assaulted someone. You don't find this strange?

22-06-2019 08:40PM

Faugheen wrote:

If I shoot you dead but police don't arrest me while they investigate. Does that mean you were not shot dead?

Haha. What?

Sleeper12 wrote:

He assaulted her that's a fact. Only a court of law can decide if he is guilty of assault or not. It is nothing more than opinion that he did or did not assault her

Contradicting yourself within three sentences is impressive.

Sleeper12 wrote:

If throwing liquid on someone is assault then slamming someone against a wall, hitting them & grabbing them by the neck is definitely assault. I'd love her to post photos of her neck. I'm betting she's black and blue today

Bull****. Stop comparing the two as if they happened under the same circumstances. They didn't and that's disingenuous.

22-06-2019 08:41PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

You don't find it odd that there was a room full of people & he was the only one who assaulted someone? The main group were escorted out of the room peacefully without being assaulted.

She was the only one to break away from the group and get as far as she did. Security were dealing with the rest of the idiots.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:42PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You side stepped my question.

Several protesters entered the room. Some quite vocal. All the protesters were removed from the room but he was the only one who assaulted someone. You don't find this strange?

He didn't assault anyone.

I already answered it, him being the first to act doesn't make him wrong.

TCM · 22-06-2019 08:42PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

Several protesters entered the room. Some quite vocal. All the protesters were removed from the room but he was the only one who assaulted someone. You don't find this strange?

Assaulted no one, but did his country a service.

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 08:43PM

runawaybishop wrote:

Nope, it's not assault if acting in self defense or the defense of others. By either definition.

I'm sorry but hitting someone is assaulting them. I was assaulted by my teachers when I was in school. It was legal at the time but they still assaulted me.

Self defense or not it is called assault. You are confusing the legal definition. Only a court of law can determine if he is guilty of assault.

22-06-2019 08:45PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You don't find it odd that there was a room full of people & he was the only one who assaulted someone?

Why would that ever be odd? You're basically arguing that no on can do anything as long as everyone is ok with what's happening at that moment. Why would anyone do anything if everything else feels fine. Regular people outnumber security. Why would they do anything. Everyone feels fine.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:45PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Nope, it's not assault if acting in self defense or the defense of others. By either definition.

He wasn't acting in self defense.

What you could argue is that he thought he was. But you couldn't argue it was actual self defense.

You could only argue he was mistaken and that the burden of blame for the mistake lies with her.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:46PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm sorry but hitting someone is assaulting them. I was assaulted by my teachers when I was in school. It was legal at the time but they still assaulted me.

Self defense or not it is called assault. You are confusing the legal definition. Only a court of law can determine if he is guilty of assault.

I am not confused in the slightest. It is not assault to defend yourself. You are also mis-using the legal definition to suit yourself.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would that ever be odd? You're basically arguing that no on can do anything as long as everyone is ok with what's happening at that moment. Why would anyone do anything if everything else feels fine.

I am struggling to understand what you mean. Can you repost to clarify?

22-06-2019 08:48PM

Attempted murder it was terrible it was.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:48PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

I am not confused in the slightest. It is not assault to defend yourself. You are also mis-using the legal definition to suit yourself.

But he wasn't defending himself. We know that now.

You can only argue that he wasn't to know that at the time. And you would have to prove that SHE has the burden of blame for his mistake.

tritium · 22-06-2019 08:48PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You don't find it odd that there was a room full of people & he was the only one who assaulted someone? The main group were escorted out of the room peacefully without being assaulted.

The main group weren’t striding towards the governor of the BoE. She however had separated herself from that group was was doing just that. Had she stayed in the main group she would have been fine, it was her decision to go on a solo stunt that would have made her stand out as up to something else.

Danzy · 22-06-2019 08:48PM

She isn't going to press charges because she knows she hasn't a leg to stand on and if they charged her it would be a clear conviction.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Attempted murder it was terrible it was.

He was very lucky she wasn't seriously injured Tbh.

22-06-2019 08:49PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

I'm sorry but hitting someone is assaulting them. I was assaulted by my teachers when I was in school. It was legal at the time but they still assaulted me.

Sorry to hear that.

Sleeper12 wrote:

Self defense or not it is called assault. You are confusing the legal definition. Only a court of law can determine if he is guilty of assault.

Nope. You are confusing your personal definition with the actual definition.

Self defence or the defense of others is not assault. Understandably, your perception may be skewed by childhood trauma

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2019 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote:

Contradicting yourself within three sentences is impressive.

Another poster that refuses to see the difference between the physical act of assaulting someone & the legal definition. I did not contradict myself at all. Listen closely now, he assaulted her. This is a fact. Hitting someone for any reason is assault. I then went on to say that no one, including you, has a right to say if he is guilty or not of assault. Only a court of law can determine this.

He did commit the physical act of assault. He hit her.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:49PM

Danzy wrote: »

She isn't going to press charges because she knows she hasn't a leg to stand on and if they charged her it would be a clear conviction.

I would think it's because she has more stoicism than the likes of our Maria Bailey :rolleyes:

Danzy · 22-06-2019 08:50PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Assault is a physical act. He committed this act several times.

The legal assault can only be determined by a court of law.

Bird law definition.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry to hear that.

Nope. You are confusing your personal definition with the actual definition.

Self defence or the defense of others is not assault. Understandably, your perception may be skewed by childhood trauma

He wasn't defending anyone.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:52PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But he wasn't defending himself. We know that now.

You can only argue that he wasn't to know that at the time. And you would have to prove that SHE has the burden of blame for his mistake.

We don't have to argue anything, it's already been stated.

He called the presence of the Greenpeace activists a “major security breach,” adding: “In the confusion many guests understandably felt threatened and when one protester rushed past me towards the top table I instinctively reacted. I was for a split-second genuinely worried she might have been armed.

He thought she was going to assault someone, he had lawful reason to use force to stop her.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:53PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Another poster that refuses to see the difference between the physical act of assaulting someone & the legal definition. I did not contradict myself at all. Listen closely now, he assaulted her. This is a fact. Hitting someone for any reason is assault. I then went on to say that no one, including you, has a right to say if he is guilty or not of assault. Only a court of law can determine this.

He did commit the physical act of assault. He hit her.

Wrong. There are many instances were hitting someone is not assault. Boxers do it all the time. People defending themselves are not committing assault

ILoveYourVibes · 22-06-2019 08:54PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Wrong. There are many instances were hitting someone is not assault. Boxers do it all the time. People defending themselves are not committing assault

That's consent.

And yes sometimes in Ireland even on your own home if you defend your home you are committing assault. Sad and crazy but true.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:54PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Then you don't need to post here anymore

You don't get to tell me where to post, thanks.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He wasn't defending anyone.

Incorrect. He believed he was defending people.

22-06-2019 08:55PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am struggling to understand what you mean. Can you repost to clarify?

The poster's argument was that everyone else thought things were fine... So why do anything.

Every situation that turns out not to be fine has that one person who first realises it isn't. It's odd to expect that person to not act because other people haven't also acted.

The poster was arguing some weird paradoxical and impossible argument that everyone must instantly know at the same time that something is wrong.

runawaybishop · 22-06-2019 08:55PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That's consent.

And yes sometimes in Ireland even on your own home if you defend your home you are committing assault. Sad and crazy but true.

Wrong. Self defense is not assault. Go find a legal definition that shows otherwise

Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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