Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 09:15PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

de mind boggles bringing this up here. de left has found a new system where not guilty also still means guilty.
before long de likes of u would have me in de gulags if you had your way

Ah here, why can't you just type "the"?

What have you done that's so terrible you'd be sent to a gulag?

It's nothing to do with the left, it's not an opinion - it's the actual legal definition. "Not guilty" is not the same as innocent. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's incorrect or that you have grounds for accusing people of nonsense.

pjohnson · 19-06-2019 09:15PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

my dad in 2012 nearly died due to lack of care. nothing changes

tommy de tinker burns insulated copper pipes all summer thick pungent smoke for months in area. nothing changes

autistic kids get mb 2 hours a week.
nothing changes

carers treated like dirt: nothing changes

relative suffering severe mental problems no resources nothing changes

scrote a and b brutally kill and rape. everything changes
5 star hostel x boxes breakfast made to order tv till 2am 8 staff per week.
court ready to cull anyone who wants to name them....
why do so many people want to name them?? because we are ****ing exacerbated the victim is now treated like dirt. de aggressor nearly a hero.
we have de corruption of Italy combined with de left wing version of sweeden hand wringers
wat a great wee country...

Seek professional help good boy.

thecretinhop · 19-06-2019 09:15PM

pjohnson wrote: »

thecretinhop wrote: »

de mind boggles bringing this up here. de left has found a new system where not guilty also still means guilty.
before long de likes of u would have me in de gulags if you had your way

"De left" can you crying shítes not go one thread without this rubbish ffs.

i didnt go there 'mate'

pjohnson · 19-06-2019 09:17PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

i didnt go there 'mate'

No one else said "de left".

Which you since used a second time. Maybe you need conspiracy forum or something.

Hannibal_Smith · 19-06-2019 09:18PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You wondered if there was an assault because she resisted the rape. She was attacked first then sexually assaulted. She did fight back though.

I asked whether they intended to kill her or was it something that got [further] out of hand when she defended herself. And you responded saying she was hit first and assaulted after. I took that to mean [probably a misunderstanding on my part] she was unconscious or had no reaction to what happened next.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 09:18PM

tuxy wrote: »

I could believe that if there wasn't evidence of a plan to kill her.

What’s not to believe? Why does her getting attacked first not mean they didn’t plan to kill her.

From the pathologists report.

On the basis of the pathology and forensic evidence, the Garda suspected Ana had been beaten to the ground with a heavy stick shortly after entering the room, then hit four times with a heavy object such as a concrete block.

Next she was pulled towards the window, where there was more light. It was likely here she was sexually assaulted. Her false nails scattered around the room indicated she had fought her attacker fiercely.

It’s a horrible case. Upto me boy a would spend 20-25 years in jail or life at the discretion of the minister for justice. Also he would be named when an adult as a sex offender.

thecretinhop · 19-06-2019 09:19PM

pjohnson wrote: »

thecretinhop wrote: »

my dad in 2012 nearly died due to lack of care. nothing changes

tommy de tinker burns insulated copper pipes all summer thick pungent smoke for months in area. nothing changes

autistic kids get mb 2 hours a week.
nothing changes

carers treated like dirt: nothing changes

relative suffering severe mental problems no resources nothing changes

scrote a and b brutally kill and rape. everything changes
5 star hostel x boxes breakfast made to order tv till 2am 8 staff per week.
court ready to cull anyone who wants to name them....
why do so many people want to name them?? because we are ****ing exacerbated the victim is now treated like dirt. de aggressor nearly a hero.
we have de corruption of Italy combined with de left wing version of sweeden hand wringers
wat a great wee country...

Seek professional help good boy.

very droll reported.
anyway i have a very valid point that the resources needed v my above examples are a valid claim.
left wing guff?? check out ruth coppengers tweet...

SirGerryAdams · 19-06-2019 09:22PM

NIMAN wrote: »

My reading of it was that incorrect names of Boys A&B were being published online

Is this incorrect?

I have no interest in googling names of boys,cos I don't know anyone involved in the case so itll mean nothing to me to know names

I only saw one name being mentioned which I believe is correct..

Gimme A Pound · 19-06-2019 09:22PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

very droll reported.
anyway i have a very valid point that the resources needed v my above examples are a valid claim.
left wing guff?? check out ruth coppengers tweet...

I agree with your points since your post about "Not guilty". That Coppinger tweet is vile. She wrote an even worse one before it but deleted it.

19-06-2019 09:23PM

I use to think the bad influence thing was often a copout, but really it does seem to be a mix of a weak and easily influenced immature teenager who lies all the time and wasn't the sporty son the father wanted mixing with someone who was a highly intelligent and manipulative teenager who clearly had something wrong with him.

If they had never met would this have happned.

Dante7 · 19-06-2019 09:23PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I asked whether they intended to kill her or was it something that got [further] out of hand when she defended herself. And you responded saying she was hit first and assaulted after. I took that to mean [probably a misunderstanding on my part] she was unconscious or had no reaction to what happened next.

Boy A told Boy B a month previously that he wanted to commit a murder and singled out Ana as the target.

dubdaymo · 19-06-2019 09:28PM

Whilst the law about ID'ing the boys has to be obeyed I'm of the opinion that the law never envisaged a case like this.

If a minor is found guilty of, say, robbing shops or stealing phones I can sort of understand why such a law was brought into existence - not that I agree with it. However, these were the lowest form of evil scum who deliberately planned and committed an atrocity against a poor defenceless girl. They never admitted their guilt, they showed zero remorse for what they did. In fact, one of them made disgusting, insulting remarks about the victim.

In this case there is absolutely no good reason why they should remain anonymous. They have shown that they have no respect for human life. They are a danger to society and I hope the judge will take this into consideration as he ponders his next course of action.

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2019 09:34PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I use to think the bad influence thing was often a copout, but really it does seem to be a mix of a weak and easily influenced immature teenager who lies all the time and wasn't the sporty son the father wanted mixing with someone who was a highly intelligent and manipulative teenager who clearly had something wrong with him.

If they had never met would this have happned.

I am not at all convinced that B was the weak one . The more I read the more I think he could well have been the master puppeteer .

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 09:36PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Just because you don't understand the difference doesn't make you right.

If boy B had kept his mouth shut, like boy A did, B would likely have got away with a much lesser charge, and maybe got off completely. Would that have made him innocent?

I have looked at the same, Boy B was implicated from calling to the house for Ana. He could not explain that away & his silence would only add to the intrigue. He had to find an explanation as well as the CCTV evidence & witness statements to quell the obv disquiet. I'm sure his solicitors would have put him on the no-comment warning if there was any other way out of it. There is no way out of a person bringing another to a place where they were murdered only complicity. His lies were all countered with evidence till he tried the next one. He really believed he was able to manipulate the world the little weasel. The little crying boy that asked for permission to use the toilet, leant on his mother shoulder & held her hand, needed to be excused from the awful forensic evidence that he was directly involved in, the same weasel that called his victim a "slut, weirdo, not seen dead with" thinking he was able to manipulate his questioners. Prob Boy B is the real leader of the plot that Boy A carried out as he was the more polished & brightest under interrogation. The greatest ever to deflect. His last statement to his psychologist again contradicting his last Garda statement, he only realized that Boys B crotch of his pants was open when he stood up. Boy B wore tracksuit-bottoms. He does not tell us how Boys A semen stains got on Ana body & her clothes. We also find there is an unidentified DNA which is very mysterious. I would not be the least surprised Boy B played an active participation in it. I would not be least surprised that he actually pulled the clothes off her body while the other scumbag held her down. What amazes me of these types is how 2 of the same mindset came together. Without each other there is a great likelihood Ana would be still alive as Boy A had not the neck to entice her without an accomplice & this also gave support to the plan. Boy B intrigues have run out of road, he needs 20yrs to think over what he did in very harsh prison conditions

Kevhog1988 · 19-06-2019 09:36PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am not at all convinced that B was the weak one . The more I read the more I think he could well have been the master puppeteer .

I thought Boy A was. The horrific porn etc would lead me to believe he was the one who planned it.

19-06-2019 09:39PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I use to think the bad influence thing was often a copout, but really it does seem to be a mix of a weak and easily influenced immature teenager who lies all the time and wasn't the sporty son the father wanted mixing with someone who was a highly intelligent and manipulative teenager who clearly had something wrong with him.

If they had never met would this have happned.

Going by the Irish Times article Boy B appeared as highly intelligent and astute during the Garda interviews. However further down the opinion of a psychologist found him to be immature and lacking in boundaries. I don't think it is as clear cut as one boy being 'this' way and the other boy being 'that' way.

Fusitive · 19-06-2019 09:40PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am not at all convinced that B was the weak one . The more I read the more I think he could well have been the master puppeteer .

Boy B was not a master puppeteer, if he was, he gave away the biggest clue to the case by directly putting himself in the line of suspicion by calling to Ana's house while the other boy was hiding away.

GreeBo · 19-06-2019 09:40PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think bullies at school age work in packs, herd mentality. What do they do with them then?

There is typically a ring leader though, that's the one you turf out.

justmyimput · 19-06-2019 09:41PM

and boy a will most likely do it again to another innocent person because nobody can recognize him or know his name because our justice system is protecting the monsters, giving new names, a chance at a new life when they took poor ana’s life away from her. sick scums need to stay behind bars for the rest of their lives and not just another 4 years till they’re 18.

Fakediamond · 19-06-2019 09:41PM

airy fairy wrote: »

Perhaps this has been asked and discussed already, but as boy A has been charged with aggravated sexual assault along with the murder, is that not grounds to be put on the sex offenders list? Surely then his anonymity cannot be kept?

The Sex Offenders Register is not a public document and is administered And kept by Gardai for public safety reasons. Other agencies such as Tusla and Probation Service will also likely be aware of who is in the register, but not the general public, or the next door neighbours, etc.

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2019 09:42PM

theemigrant wrote: »

I thought Boy A was. The horrific porn etc would lead me to believe he was the one who planned it.

B knew A had a problem and knew his desire and possibly showed him the path and led him down
We will never know now I guess because both are lying through their teeth to cover their own ass

Dante7 · 19-06-2019 09:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Going by the Irish Times article Boy B appeared as highly intelligent and astute during the Garda interviews. However further down the opinion of a psychologist found him to be immature and lacking in boundaries. I don't think it is as clear cut as one boy being 'this' way and the other boy being 'that' way.

The psychologist who was hired by the defence and who didn't even review the Garda interviews before submitting his report? The Judge was correct it ruling it as inadmissable.

_blaaz · 19-06-2019 09:45PM

It would more of a concern from a brief reading on this there was very limited dna evidence

I think myself.they.were 100% guilty....but afaik.if that boy A had not lied and siad he was assulted.in the park,gaurds would never have.taken his runners and her blood not been found on it

Them.2 would have lied their way to freedom....there was a fair amount of planning/prep went into this,a degree of organisation that is rarely seen outside of gangland murders

Patrick2010 · 19-06-2019 09:46PM

From all reports Ana was quite a strong girl, 5’ 8” and well built. It’s unlikely boy A could have overpowered her without the help of his accomplice who led her to him.

dickangel · 19-06-2019 09:46PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Because if A left her there knowing she could be still alive it shows that there is no question of the intent to kill.

As for morbid. The whole case is morbid, not least because she was killed in a gruesome way by children.

So the reason you're dreaming up various morbid scenarios is to try and somehow prove Boy A intended to kill Ana? He was found guilty of murder. It's obvious he intended to kill her. Just quit the ghoulishness, it's disrespectful and utterly pointless.

fryup · 19-06-2019 09:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

B knew A had a problem and knew his desire and possibly showed him the path and led him down
We will never know now I guess because both are lying through their teeth to cover their own ass

maybe..Boy A got a kick from doing it, and Boy B got a kick from watching it

SirGerryAdams · 19-06-2019 09:48PM

The file with question about boy A....where was that?? On his PC? Or what?

dickangel · 19-06-2019 09:51PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

From all reports Ana was quite a strong girl, 5’ 8” and well built. It’s unlikely boy A could have overpowered her without the help of his accomplice who led her to him.

Boy A was tall for his age and skilled in martial arts, he also seemingly got injured in the process. I don't think it's likely Boy B helped, there was no DNA on him.

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 09:56PM

dickangel wrote: »

Boy A was tall for his age and skilled in martial arts, he also seemingly got injured in the process. I don't think it's likely Boy B helped, there was no DNA on him.

She was stripped naked, not easy while holding down a person that was very strong and fit. Boy B stated she put up her hands to remove her clothing, he seems to know a lot how they were removed.

tuxy · 19-06-2019 09:56PM

_blaaz wrote: »

I think myself.they.were 100% guilty....but afaik.if that boy A had not lied and siad he was assulted.in the park,gaurds would never have.taken his runners and her blood not been found on it

His DNA(semen) was on her dead body. They would have found and convicted boy A under almost every circumstance I can think of.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

From all reports Ana was quite a strong girl, 5’ 8” and well built. It’s unlikely boy A could have overpowered her without the help of his accomplice who led her to him.

Really? By all accounts Boy A was also tall and strong being male I don't see why he wouldn't have been able to overpower her, especially when he had planned it out.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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