Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Will I Am Not · 19-06-2019 07:42PM

flos1964 wrote: »

Its only an old saying...i did not mean every body and i am certainly not advocating a return to the valley of the squinting windows type community but come on somebody could have helped the kid and her parents but you take what you want from it.

I know the saying and I’m sure there are some people that could have done something but you said “Well that village can collectively hold their heads in shame tonight”. I just thought that a bit out of order as I’m sure many people from the area are reading this thread.

Spanish Eyes · 19-06-2019 07:43PM

TBH if I were the parent of a murdered child and knew who did it as a protected minor, I would sing it out loud and take the consequences of revealing the identity of that minor. I doubt there would be any consequences really.

Could anything be worse than losing your lovely child. No nothing could. Ever.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 07:45PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Are there honestly people so dumb, so dim, so dull as to not to have ever heard of the many, multiple miscarriages of justice based on eye witness testimony?

Are we to forever have to tolerate this ignorant grunts as equally valid opinions?

Are you really claiming a miscarriage of justice in this case?

Also b wasn’t found guilty on the basis of eye witness testimony alone.

BarryD2 · 19-06-2019 07:48PM

Grayson wrote: »

Anything that would enable you to identify them. Saying a person is from a large town doesn't help you identify the person. The same goes for a school. naming a family member greatly reduces the number of possibilities.

Be interesting to see how far that can be pushed. It seems to be a bit of a grey area, would require a subjective judgement as to what could be published.

Beechwoodspark · 19-06-2019 07:49PM

So in my line of work I go from town to village to town around Leinster

Today at approx 10 am two names were mentioned to me by a shop manager

Both names were correct - I know this cuz a close friend informed me of the names last year. He lives very near the scene of the awful crime.

The names were mentioned to me in a small village in Westmeath also around 4.

My point is that the names and families even addresses are common knowledge now.

Grayson · 19-06-2019 07:52PM

The_Brood wrote: »

So unless I am missing something, the Irish state is fully supportive and defending rapists and murderers by protecting their identities. How is this any better than the most backwards dictatorships on earth? How is this any better than Saudi Arabia or North Korea?

I can't see how this turns us into Saudi or North Korea. Please explain.

flos1964 · 19-06-2019 07:52PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I know the saying and I’m sure there are some people that could have done something but you said “Well that village can collectively hold their heads in shame tonight”. I just thought that a bit out of order as I’m sure many people from the area are reading this thread.

Ok as its not really a village in the old fashioned sense i meant the school...the parents and those who knew the family but ill take that...sorry.

Pawwed Rig · 19-06-2019 07:55PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It's the fact that there is no forensic evidence that is the kicker for me. Why is there none although he was there and admitted to being there. Where are his clothes he was wearing on the day? There is always forensic evidence from a scene like that. And the boy was certainly in contact with her that day.

Did they not find blood on his shoes? The clothes were washed innocently by the parents.

veryangryman · 19-06-2019 08:01PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

So in my line of work I go from town to village to town around Leinster

Today at approx 10 am two names were mentioned to me by a shop manager

Both names were correct - I know this cuz a close friend informed me of the names last year. He lives very near the scene of the awful crime.

The names were mentioned to me in a small village in Westmeath also around 4.

My point is that the names and families even addresses are common knowledge now.

Good.

tuxy · 19-06-2019 08:02PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Did they not find blood on his shoes? The clothes were washed innocently by the parents.

No you're confusing it with what they found on Boy A's shoes and clothes.

Damien360 · 19-06-2019 08:06PM

tuxy wrote: »

No you're confusing it with what they found on Boy A's shoes and clothes.

The Irish times did a very good piece yesterday online about this. There is no evidence against Boy B other than his admissions in Garda interviews. If he kept his mouth shut, it is likely he would never have been charged.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 08:08PM

Damien360 wrote: »

The Irish times did a very good piece yesterday online about this. There is no evidence against Boy B other than his admissions in Garda interviews. If he kept his mouth shut, it is likely he would never have been charged.

He would definitely be charged with something. Obstruction at the least.

Boom_Bap · 19-06-2019 08:09PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Did they not find blood on his shoes? The clothes were washed innocently by the parents.

That was Boy A, and I do question whether they were innocently washed and how could blood stained clothes be innocently washed.
The shoes were also cleaned, but not to full remove blood spatter.

SirChenjin · 19-06-2019 08:13PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That was Boy A, and I do question whether they were innocently washed and how could blood stained clothes be innocently washed.
The shoes were also cleaned, but not to full remove blood spatter.

He claimed to have been beaten up so I suppose the parents at that point believed him and so the clothes were washed.

jobbridge4life · 19-06-2019 08:13PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

The boy was found guilty, unanimously, by a jury.

Like it or not, that's the law.

Agreed. No question on that. Similarly it is unquestionably the law that the convicteds’ identity be concealed.

19-06-2019 08:13PM

Damien360 wrote: »

The Irish times did a very good piece yesterday online about this. There is no evidence against Boy B other than his admissions in Garda interviews. If he kept his mouth shut, it is likely he would never have been charged.

That's actually what occurred to me reading it too... He seemed almost too clever for his own good trying to explain everything and didn't realise at some point he'd gone too far.. if he'd shut up and just refused to say anything more he probably would have got away with it, good enough for the scum to be done in by his own arrogance

pjohnson · 19-06-2019 08:13PM

SirChenjin wrote: »

He claimed to have been beaten up so I suppose the parents at that point believed him and so the clothes were washed.

The parents still believe them

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2019 08:14PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That was Boy A, and I do question whether they were innocently washed and how could blood stained clothes be innocently washed.
The shoes were also cleaned, but not to full remove blood spatter.

Boy A apparently told his parents that he was attacked in St Catherines Park by two men . Now I can understand a mother seeing her son with blood on his clothes not immediately jumping to the conclusion that he murdered someone
She probably believed he was attacked and washed his clothes to remove the blood
My question is did his parents look where the wound was that caused his bleeding ? Or maybe he did actually have wounds caused by Ana defending herself ?

19-06-2019 08:14PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That was Boy A, and I do question whether they were innocently washed and how could blood stained clothes be innocently washed.
The shoes were also cleaned, but not to full remove blood spatter.

Especially when Boy A was injured and said those injuries were the result of two males attacking him.

Ring the Gardaí or wash the evidence?

tuxy · 19-06-2019 08:14PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That was Boy A, and I do question whether they were innocently washed and how could blood stained clothes be innocently washed.
The shoes were also cleaned, but not to full remove blood spatter.

He claimed he had been started on by two adults and was in a fight so it's possible his mother believed him.

His bag including most of its contents had Ana's blood on them when tested. It would seem no serious effort was made to remove DNA.

Beechwoodspark · 19-06-2019 08:16PM

As I said in my post on the first page of this thread shame on the parents.

Hope they never have a days peace in their lives again after the charade they tried. Pure insult to the victims family.

I suspect there’s way more to this than has come out so far.

iamwhoiam · 19-06-2019 08:16PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Especially when Boy A was injured and said those injuries were the result of two males attacking him.

Ring the Gardaí or wash the evidence?

The father drove A to the park ranger in the park to inform him of the attack
The ranger in turn phoned the Gardai

decky1 · 19-06-2019 08:21PM

nehemiah wrote: »

Victims ' families do get help, they would have had access to Family Liaison officers throughout this time.

But anyway, you're just expressing outrage. Darren Goodwin served 13 years in jail from the age of 16. This is not 'life' of course and perhaps not much in the scheme of things but there seems to be little chance that these two (especially Boy A) will serve any less than that time. My prediction is that Boy A will serve no less than 20 years given the violence and sexual nature of the crime.

i do hope the judge agrees with you, her parents will never see her again , these two can get visits from their parents every week yes it is outrage.

volchitsa · 19-06-2019 08:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Boy A apparently told his parents that he was attacked in St Catherines Park by two men . Now I can understand a mother seeing her son with blood on his clothes not immediately jumping to the conclusion that he murdered someone
She probably believed he was attacked and washed his clothes to remove the blood
My question is did his parents look where the wound was that caused his bleeding ? Or maybe he did actually have wounds caused by Ana defending herself ?

He did have injuries, he was seen by his GP who said they could be defensive injuries (I presume this was initially when there was no other scenario being suggested).

tayto lover · 19-06-2019 08:22PM

Damien360 wrote: »

The Irish times did a very good piece yesterday online about this. There is no evidence against Boy B other than his admissions in Garda interviews. If he kept his mouth shut, it is likely he would never have been charged.

Again.

1. Boy A told him he was going to murder Ana.
2. Boy B took her to the scene of her death. CCTV proves this also her father saw him at the door.
3. Boy B supplied the stick tape used to subdue her.
4. Boy B watches it all and doesn’t help or even ask Boy A to stop.
5. In his interviews Boy B refers to Ana as dressing like a slut. No remorse.
6. Boy B changes his story at least 9 times in his questioning.
7. The interviewing detectives describe him as being smart conniving and confident little ****.
8. The cctv also showed him coming back a good bit later from the scene than he said. So he hung around enjoying it all.

I really can’t see him beating this rap and hopefully the little murderer will have a long painful life in custody.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 08:22PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Boy A apparently told his parents that he was attacked in St Catherines Park by two men . Now I can understand a mother seeing her son with blood on his clothes not immediately jumping to the conclusion that he murdered someone
She probably believed he was attacked and washed his clothes to remove the blood
My question is did his parents look where the wound was that caused his bleeding ? Or maybe he did actually have wounds caused by Ana defending herself ?

He did have injuries.

Dante7 · 19-06-2019 08:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What disgusts me even further (if that was possible) is the knowledge that we the taxpayers are more than likely paying to protect the identity of this scumbag.

Can be sure they are on free legal aid

Legal aid was granted to both boys at separate hearings. Boy A was granted legal aid during a hearing where he was accompanied by his parents and his grandfather.

19-06-2019 08:23PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Especially when Boy A was injured and said those injuries were the result of two males attacking him.

Ring the Gardaí or wash the evidence?

Would you really see it as evidence for a hiding though? its not very serious really, the injuries would be enough i'd think myself and I'd just wash my own clothes if I planned to keep them

Dante7 · 19-06-2019 08:25PM

volchitsa wrote: »

He did have injuries, he was seen by his GP who said they could be defensive injuries (I presume this was initially when there was no other scenario being suggested).

He had a limp during his bail hearing.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-06-2019 08:26PM

One thing that has confused me. It took days to find Ana but she had her phone. There was no mention of phone data. Did she turn it off?

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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