Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

I love how knife crime in London is all the fault of the labour mayor and nothing at all to do with the cutting in the police budget under the tory government.

So who's the best man-spreader?

The format is flawed and plays in to Johnson's hand. A live studio dynamic with participants reacting to what they've heard and moreover challenging the speakers on what they've said is much more a litmus test.

This has been nothing more than a shouting match with little in the way of coherence or more importantly nothing in the way of the rhetoric being held to account because of timing restrictions.

Johnson is the winner despite saying nothing of consequence. The format was ultimately a forlorn exercise for his challengers.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So when will Javid bow out ?

Probably tomorrow and his survival instinct will see him back Boris.

Rory is my guy but he didn't land a glove on Boris tonight so I think his race is effectively run :-(

2nd place is between Hunt and Gove now.

That was dreadful

Sam Russell wrote: »

The obvious question gets the obvious answer - it does not work and is impossible. There is no way a border in NI/Ireland can detect chlorinated chicken in the back of a white van, or GMO soya beans, or hormone fed beef.

So unless the whole of the UK can guarantee this, the border must exist some where - preferable in the sea, with NI guaranteeing the absence of the above (and any other contraband in the EU).

Very little recognition of the fact that the UK have to have a border even if they do a WTO Brexit - else they are obliged to leave all of their borders fully open to all 163 other members of WTO (and without reciprocation)!

Dictators the world over could point to this and say to their people, look guys, this is where democracy leads you to :pac:

Deleted User wrote: »

If the UK does not import these items, then it's a non issue.
The UK could insist on the same or higher food standards than the EU wrt to trade with other countries, they'll be within their rights to do so.

Ohh no....then they'd be bound by EU rules......heaven forbid!

Rory Stewart is the only one that doesnt seem like a complete cnut

Aidric wrote: »

The format is flawed and plays in to Johnson's hand. A live studio dynamic with participants reacting to what they've heard and moreover challenging the speakers on what they've said is much more a litmus test.

This has been nothing more than a shouting match with little in the way of coherence or more importantly nothing in the way of the rhetoric being held to account because of timing restrictions.

Johnson is the winner despite saying nothing of consequence. The format was ultimately a forlorn exercise for his challengers.

You've got to feel the editors did this on purpose to line it up for him.

The BBC is stacked with brexit promotors.

I wanted Stewart because i think he's the candidate who would do least damage to the UK and internationally implementing Brexit but if he's not going to make the last two the spiteful part of me which enjoys watching characters like Basil Fawlty and David Brent embarrassingly self implode desperately wants BoJo to win.

If the Brits (Tory party) are truly determined to leave on a no deal part of me hopes BoJo makes it the biggest clusterfcuk in history.







The adult in me however acknowledges the economic and social pain a no deal Brexit would cause to so many including friends and family of mine here and in the UK so let's hope BoJo and co see sense once they are off the fence and faced with making some tough decisions.

Johnson is a lock after that. They didn't put a finger on him. His biggest opponent is himself. The others were far too concerned with self preservation and trying to kill off Rory Stewart ahead of tomorrow's vote. And they succeeded. He was browbeaten into submission.

Johnson was very tame but he didn't need to deliver a strong performance. His coronation in waiting is based on his persona but, make no mistake, he is not going to be able to deliver anything as PM when dealing with Europe.

Gove and Hunt spoke very well but gave nothing concrete or anything that would shift votes.

Stewart tried to play the alternate view too hard and his body language was atrocious. Slumped and staring at the floor when not speaking came across terribly.

BBC News are doing a special following the debate interviewing Tory party members around the country. The only thing that appears unanimous is that Stewart is universally disliked by the membership. His race is run if the parliamentary members are taking note.

The only thing that would give me a little hope is that the membership voting isn't as forcefully supportive of Johnson. If it goes down to the two horse race and membership vote, it will be significantly closer than what we've seen thus far. But Johnson will succeed, no doubt.

54&56 wrote: »

I wanted Stewart because i think he's the candidate who would do least damage to the UK and internationally implementing Brexit but if he's not going to make the last two the spiteful part of me which enjoys watching characters like Basil Fawlty and David Brent embarrassingly self implode desperately wants BoJo to win.

If the Brits (Tory party) are truly determined to leave on a no deal part of me hopes BoJo makes it the biggest clusterfcuk in history.

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I agree. There has to come a time when the architects of Brexit have to actually own Brexit. When May was trying to get a deal threw BoJo did little but throw grenades from the sidelines