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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #722
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    El_Bee wrote: »
    He did lure her to her death, he is an accessory to murder, and was thankfully charged and tried as such.

    Exactly. No difference in my book to the cnut who did the deed.


  • #723
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

    Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

    That's all well and good but in reality kids will bow to peer pressure and so silly things that may cost the dearly no Matter what we try to teach them ,
    I know of multiple cases fo kids in primary school's being subjected to demands of other children to send highly inappropriate photos to each other ,
    Often stranger danger is a waste of time due to the need to liked by others ,open and Frank conversations tend to work better
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  • #724
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    El_Bee wrote: »
    gibberish, I said behaviour is learned, I didn't say "the internet caused this"

    Did you miss this part ? ( now highlighted )

    gctest50 wrote: »
    ..........

    It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )


  • #725
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    if they were tried as adults the only sentence the judge can give is life.


    Nope.

    The Children’s Act is silent on mandatory sentences, but the legal consensus is they don’t apply to children even in cases of murder.

    Judges can sentence a child to life imprisonment but it is not required. For example, in 2005 Mr Justice Barry White sentenced a 15-year-old boy to life imprisonment for murder, but ordered the sentence be brought before him again in a decade for review. In 2014 he reviewed the sentence, and set a release date for 2016.

    Souce: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/children-charged-with-serious-crimes-face-different-criminal-justice-process-to-adults-1.3508849


  • #726
    bobbyss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭bobbyss


    In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.


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  • #727
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Amalgam wrote: »

    Ted Bundy in particular, points to access to pornographic material as a child, there's interviews on YouTube, if you care to search.

    Big difference from nudey magazines from the 60s and 70s to being exposed to extreme hardcore and violent porn that's readily available 24/7 in hd video

    Bundy was a master manipulator too might find somw.similarities if you look at statements in this case
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  • #728
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Did you miss this part ? ( now highlighted )


    I was quoting this post by you.




    gctest50 wrote: »
    Not much internet around in 93 :


    https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

    Some people just want to argue and split hairs over every single thing.


  • #729
    Fan of Netflix
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭Fan of Netflix


    Gatling wrote: »
    Big difference from nudey magazines from the 60s and 70s to being exposed to extreme hardcore and violent porn that's readily available 24/7 in hd video
    Apparently it's the same thing according to some!


  • #730
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Dontfadeaway wrote: »
    Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

    His language was well above his years. as was AS

    He’s not the simple child they tried to make him out to be. Not At all.


  • #731
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Gatling wrote: »
    That's all well and good but in reality kids will bow to peer pressure and so silly things that may cost the dearly no Matter what we try to teach them ,
    I know of multiple cases fo kids in primary school's being subjected to demands of other children to send highly inappropriate photos to each other ,
    Often stranger danger is a waste of time due to the need to liked by others ,open and Frank conversations tend to work better
    With 4yr olds?

    Im saddened i have to, have the chats with her in an age appropriote way .... Open and frank about murders, sexual assaults, pedofiles, abductions,... ?! I dont think so, she knows enough to be wary and little enough that she can sleep at night


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  • #732
    Hardtochoose
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    bobbyss wrote: »
    In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/conor-feehan-heavy-emotion-in-courtroom-as-guilty-verdicts-returned-38230456.html



    “bunch of scumbags, you f***ing pricks. Innocent boy,” he was heard to say.”


    Should be more concerned with how he raised his child than with abusing the Gardaí


  • #733
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    bobbyss wrote: »
    In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/bunch-of-scumbags-father-of-boy-b-loudly-condemns-verdict-1.3929674?mode=amp


    And gave the court a slow hand clap
    Classy man


  • #734
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Another thing that came out was some third year students in secondary bullied ana before she had even started second level school. She was barely out of sixth class and third years were bullying her. FFS.
    Get a life ye sad b@stards.


  • #735
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Gatling wrote: »
    Big difference from nudey magazines from the 60s and 70s to being exposed to extreme hardcore and violent porn that's readily available 24/7 in hd video

    Bundy was a master manipulator too might find similarities if you look at statements in this case

    You had access to material that was just as damaging.

    Pornography at a young age does mess up how you view.. things. It does not take much.


  • #736
    claregal1
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    Dontfadeaway wrote: »
    Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

    Boy B in my opinion was a lot cuter and smarter than boy A ..at the end of the day , he supplied the rope etc , and also tried to entice other young boys to join his club ..I hope both boys spend the next 50 years in jail .may they be named and shamed and given the same treatment they inflicted on Ana .. they aren't children ..they are monsters


  • #737
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    anyone from the area answer this? (apologies if it has been asked already)

    why was she bullied?? because she was deemed as different?

    too tall? too pretty? just plain jealousy? ...was it a tough school she attended??


  • #738
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    El_Bee wrote: »
    I was quoting this post by you.

    .


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110469411&postcount=716


  • #739
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    tigger123 wrote: »
    How or where are you getting that?

    Was just replying to a post that said he sounded like a scumbag. I'm saying that he is not necessarily a typical scumbag. He also was cute enough to know to refrain from shouting his contemptible crap until after the Judge had left the courtroom.


  • #740
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,647 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    I think it's clear their internet use played a major part here. They were regularly watching some of the most extreme pornography out there, even years before this happened and a lot other horrible ****e. That can seriously warp childrens heads.

    Nah. These two evil cuts didn’t need to watch anything.
    Evil enough without it imo.


  • #741
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

    Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

    I was just turned four when the James Bulger case happened. I wasn't aware of it in the news but I remember it because my dad, who was never cross or serious about anything gave me and my sister a talk and there was something just so different about him. He said something to the effect of "You know Granny? If you ever get lost you find a lady who looks like that, an old lady and you ask her to help you. You don't go near any young people or any men." It was only years later I put the events together and asked him and he confirmed but I never forgot him talking to us.

    I don't have kids, I can't imagine how scary these cases are for ye who do, it's just so much more awful when the perpetrators are children too.


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  • #742
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    fryup wrote: »
    anyone from the area answer this? (apologies if it has been asked already)

    why was she bullied?? because she was deemed as different?

    too tall? too pretty? just plain jealousy? ...was it a tough school she attended??

    Radio mentioned kids knew she was a russian adoptee, and way taller than the rest of her age ... Teens dont need much of an excuse to bully tbh


  • #743
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

    Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

    My siblings and I were told pretty much the same thing including not to take sweets from strangers back in the 70s and 80s. Same stuff was being told to kids in one form or another for decades, and always will in some form or another unfortunately.

    Hope the verdict gives her parents some relief, after all that they have been through.


  • #744
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Fakediamond wrote: »
    No, there was no forensics linking boy B to the crime scene. And if I remember correctly, cctv images after the event saw him passing some minutes before boy A so he may have left the scene before the murder.

    I think the difficulty for those of us not in the courtroom, hearing all of the evidence, can only speculate as to the level of boy B’s involvement. Boy A on the other hand...it’s terrifying to think what he is capable of.

    The Irish times piece is long but great journalism. Boy A had said that he wanted to kill someone weeks ago to Boy B. That and all the lies were enough to justify the murder charge. Boy knew what he was doing when he brought Ana to that place.
    To me accessory before or after the fact (if Ireland has those) , and obstruction of justice would have been better charges.


  • #745
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    bobbyss wrote: »
    In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.

    Boy Bs father shouted at the Gardaí present. Presumably he felt because B had given up A (eventually) and the evidence was that he didn't carry out any physical parts of the attack that he shouldn't go down for murder.

    Well he did as he should have.


  • #746
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    smurgen wrote: »
    If just find it incredibly sad reading how alone she was. If you have kids please tell them to look out for the less fortunate. We should be taking positives out of this case where possible.

    It's funny isn't it though that adults rarely do what we ask kids to do. Maybe if kids saw more of it, they might do it. I mean let everyone of us look at our friends, normally they have lots in common with us and rarely are we hanging out with people just to be nice to them or to mind them. Now we don't usually bully others although anyone a little different can find their work or social life fairly lonely. Perhaps it's leading by example we should be doing.


  • #747
    Boggles
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    shesty wrote: »
    True.The point still stands though.He could have stopped it and didn't.And then lied about it.

    Or he could have been killed with her.

    Boy A was a big lad apparently and given the evidence a massive lunatic.

    Homemade murder mask and knee pads?

    Torture movies and animal porn?

    He tore into her like an absolute deranged animal, she had 60 different wounds. Her clothes were torn to pieces.

    Yeah, I don't think it is a stretch to suggest Boy B may have been scared of him.


  • #748
    Hoboo
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    shesty wrote: »
    True.The point still stands though.He could have stopped it and didn't.And then lied about it.

    Boy B who's into Lego and transformers stops boy A who's into aggressive hardcore porn, hockey masks, and knowingly wants to harm people?

    Sounds like a more gentle/weaker boy who's afraid of his life of a little psycho.

    Can see boy B appealing and walking.

    Zero evidence he was at the scene when she was actually killed, and other than hanging himself by saying boy A told him he wanted to kill Anna, surely thats not enough? Couldnt count on two hands the amount of times I heard blah blah wanted to kill someone when I was a kid, but they never went and did it!


  • #749
    tayto lover
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    Suckit wrote: »
    I don't think Boy B did run away. I think that was one of his lies.

    To me that makes a huge difference. I think Boy B gave boy A the masking tape for a reason.
    I think Boy B got off on it, and I think the Garda investigating think that too.

    Exactly as I see it. Boy B was the manipulator, not the other way around as many see it. Holding hands with mammy, asking for Lego and all that crap. What an actor.


  • #750
    chicorytip
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    Blazer wrote:
    There's been sociopaths in existence long before the internet ever existed. When 2 ten year old boys kidnapped 2 year old Jamie Bulger the internet didn't really exist back then. As for Boy B being only a small part of it the same was said about John Venables at the time...that it was the older boy who put it upto him. When in fact as it now turns out it was him all along. Boy B's legal team played a blinder really...poor lad corrupted by boy A when both are equally to blame. Guaranteed that little prick will be out in a few years.


    The "Child's Play" video existed back then which is where they viewed the scenario they would subsequently recreate. Parental neglect and lack of proper supervision was what ultimately led to those children becoming killers. When there is a lack of authority figures in a child's upbringing then they will simply do whatever they want.


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  • #751
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    People who enjoy extreme porn should not take it personally when concern is expressed regarding the exposure of young teens to it.
    El_Bee wrote: »
    I think the fact she was so isolated and victimized contributed to her being singled out by the two.
    Like someone else said, she was eventually dehumanised.
    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    There's porn and then there's child and animal porn. Bit of a difference tbf.
    There are obviously loads of different types of adult porn, some of which is very extreme, depicting violence and degradation. That's what is being referred to.
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    'You bunch of scumbags...Innocent boy':

    Boy B's father

    Doesn't sound like a very middle class reaction to me
    Why not?


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