Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

18-06-2019 07:20PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Read that Irish Times article and found it interesting how when it was a missing persons case at the start, gardai used PULSE to find out Boy B's surname.

why is that interesting?

iamwhoiam · 18-06-2019 07:21PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Hadn’t read the full report when I posted. but that seems likely.

But it is odd he and his father were walking near enough by when the gardai searching came across them.

I don’t have kids but what 13 year old goes for a walk with his da? especially one internet obsessed and fond of fvcked up videos about torture?

Something doesn’t add up.

They weren’t going for a walk . Boy A had told his Dad he was attacked in the park earlier . The dad drove A to the park to see if he could find the “ attackers “
The dad had banged on the rangers door to inform him of the “ attack “ by two men

Stop moaning ffs · 18-06-2019 07:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

iamwhoiam · 18-06-2019 07:25PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

There was blood on A shoes

Gatling · 18-06-2019 07:25PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

This is what I thought or misread during the trial

Amalgam · 18-06-2019 07:26PM

bubblypop wrote: »

why is that interesting?

Person of interest, 'known' to them, local eh.. 'character' that the AGS might view as having the capacity to doing something odd.

spurious · 18-06-2019 07:26PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just saw a picture of it. It looks like a small enough facility. Guess it woukd Be east enough to separate them from each other just stagger their meal times and excercise time. I was told these kids in there are free to walk around though and it’s more like a youth hall than a prison.

I have been there a few times (last time this month) and it is not true that they are free to walk around. All the doors have locks controlled by cards which only staff have.

The old Oberstown was very different to the one following the transfers from Pat's.

Sardonicat · 18-06-2019 07:26PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

No. There was blood on Boy A's shoes. No forensic to link B to the scene at all. While there was male DNA on Ana's top other than A's it was inconclusive as to whose it was.

Nerdlingr · 18-06-2019 07:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

why is that interesting?

Eh, because It would imply that 13yr Boy B was already on the PULSE system.

El_Bee · 18-06-2019 07:27PM

gctest50 wrote: »

So if they were watching Deadpool they'd be jumping of buildings n stuff ?

"Born that way "and you can't seem to accept it looking at that post trying to explain it away

Boy B put his hands up to his face in disbelief when the hammer dropped

Boy B's father went out of the courtroom in disbelief and returned to slow-clap

It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )

Rubbish, behavior is learned, not bred.

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-06-2019 07:28PM

'You bunch of scumbags...Innocent boy':

Boy B's father

Doesn't sound like a very middle class reaction to me

guapos · 18-06-2019 07:28PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Their parents have something to answer for in terms of destroying evidence.

Was this reported?

Fakediamond · 18-06-2019 07:29PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

No, there was no forensics linking boy B to the crime scene. And if I remember correctly, cctv images after the event saw him passing some minutes before boy A so he may have left the scene before the murder.

I think the difficulty for those of us not in the courtroom, hearing all of the evidence, can only speculate as to the level of boy B’s involvement. Boy A on the other hand...it’s terrifying to think what he is capable of.

Gatling · 18-06-2019 07:30PM

spurious wrote: »

I have been there a few times (last time this month) and it is not true that they are free to walk around. All the doors have locks controlled by cards which only staff have.

The old Oberstown was very different to the one following the transfers from Pat's.

It's still more or a care home than detention center,
Child first policy too ??

GT_TDI_150 · 18-06-2019 07:30PM

Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

Dontfadeaway · 18-06-2019 07:32PM

Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

Fakediamond · 18-06-2019 07:33PM

Gatling wrote: »

It's still more or a care home than detention center,
Child first policy too ??

It’s run by dept of education, not dept of justice.

whisky_galore · 18-06-2019 07:33PM

Edgware wrote: »

The pupils in her school didn't make her life easy either. They have a lot to answer for

Nothing will happen to them.

Good chance one of them or someone in the locality will leak the names for a giggle, it will happen in one form or another online, don't worry.
Then cue the Paul Williams gutter press types waiting for one of them to be released when they get wind of that down the road.

Fan of Netflix · 18-06-2019 07:33PM

gctest50 wrote: »

So if they were watching Deadpool they'd be jumping of buildings n stuff ?

"Born that way "and you can't seem to accept it looking at that post trying to explain it away

Boy B put his hands up to his face in disbelief when the hammer dropped

Boy B's father went out of the courtroom in disbelief and returned to slow-clap

It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )

So let me get this straight, you are comparing a child who started watching the likes of rape, animal , torture and child pornography from the age of 11 to watching a super hero film...?

I'm done. The garbage being spouted by clowns on here is too much. Born that way me hole.

gctest50 · 18-06-2019 07:33PM

El_Bee wrote: »

Rubbish, behavior is learned, not bred.

Not much internet around in 93 :

https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

spurious · 18-06-2019 07:33PM

Gatling wrote: »

It's still more or a care home than detention center,
Child first policy too ??

It's true it is not staffed by prison officers, but while the old set up was a bit like a care home and I have never been in an adult prison, it certainly seems prison-like enough for me since the extras came over from Pat's.
Accompanied at all times, bags checked, each door only opened after the one behind it shut etc.. Not a place I would like to spend a lot of time.

Fann Linn · 18-06-2019 07:34PM

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

He good as lured her to her death.

El_Bee · 18-06-2019 07:35PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Not much internet around in 93 :

https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

gibberish, I said behaviour is learned, I didn't say "the internet caused this"

smurgen · 18-06-2019 07:35PM

Edgware wrote: »

The pupils in her school didn't make her life easy either. They have a lot to answer for

If just find it incredibly sad reading how alone she was. If you have kids please tell them to look out for the less fortunate. We should be taking positives out of this case where possible.

shesty · 18-06-2019 07:35PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

True.The point still stands though.He could have stopped it and didn't.And then lied about it.

GT_TDI_150 · 18-06-2019 07:36PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

No, there was no forensics linking boy B to the crime scene. And if I remember correctly, cctv images after the event saw him passing some minutes before boy A so he may have left the scene before the murder.

I think the difficulty for those of us not in the courtroom, hearing all of the evidence, can only speculate as to the level of boy B’s involvement. Boy A on the other hand...it’s terrifying to think what he is capable of.

Some minutes implies less than 10 yes?! With all we've heard and read about the case, do you honestly belive boy b ran when the assault started and boy a did all the damage in less than 10minutes... also taking into account boy b said he ran which if boy a walked would make that window even smaller

iamwhoiam · 18-06-2019 07:36PM

shesty wrote: »

True.The point still stands though.He could have stopped it and didn't.And then lied about it.

Of course he could . My guess is he didn’t want to .

Your Face · 18-06-2019 07:36PM

I think we all knew someone like her growing up.

Targeted because she was a bit different.

R.I.P Anna Kriegel.

El_Bee · 18-06-2019 07:36PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

He good as lured her to her death.

He did lure her to her death, he is an accessory to murder, and was thankfully charged and tried as such.

Amalgam · 18-06-2019 07:37PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Not much internet around in 93 :

https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

A few serial killers point to, 'paper porn' exposure as children, that led them along a certain path and allowing an underlying pathology, to flourish.

You don't need a mobile phone or laptop to seriously corrupt a young mind.

Ted Bundy in particular, points to access to pornographic material as a child, there's interviews on YouTube, if you care to search.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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