Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

Black_Knight · 16-06-2019 03:15PM

beanian wrote: »

2009 Insignia Diesel, 3-4k is in the ball park of what I'd expect to get for it.

The paddy spec Ioniq is 33k after grants. They said that trim adds 5k to that and because its a demo model they'd knock 4k off.
I've no problem paying a premium for leather seats and additional tech, but just wanted a steer on if 34k was reasonable!
It appears not.

I was quoted 31 for a new Irish 191 ioniq. 30 on the day I was in at them (they had some event on).

Everyone seems to be saying the same here. 31+your car is not a good deal.

Dont be at yourself · 16-06-2019 06:29PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

I was quoted 31 for a new Irish 191 ioniq. 30 on the day I was in at them (they had some event on).

Everyone seems to be saying the same here. 31+your car is not a good deal.

Dealers will also arrange for fitted leather as a extra on the paddy spec -- cost me €1,500 extra when I was buying (29K all in, that was in 2017).

Mickeroo · 16-06-2019 06:41PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

I was quoted 31 for a new Irish 191 ioniq. 30 on the day I was in at them (they had some event on).

Everyone seems to be saying the same here. 31+your car is not a good deal.

31 is the RRP of the irish spec, 100%. A grand less if you with the white one possibly.

Mike9832 · 16-06-2019 09:12PM

liamog wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

They have to seriously look at how the grants work here

Getting rode by autogiants here

I would scrap it myself for cars over €30,000

Sliding scale like in Canada might be more acceptable

Sub €25,000 get full, sub €30,000 get 75% etc

One size fits all like we have now is crap, they are for the rich/crazy commuters

Nothing to do with Irish grants, it's all about keeping sales below a bar at the EU level. Reducing the grants will just lower the available specs and keep the pricing the same.

The main issue is that the 2021 target is 95g/km but the 2025 target is a 15% reduction in whatever number you achieve in 2021. So the higher your fleet emissions in 2021 the easier the target. Their is no incentive in a manufacturer hitting 80g/km in 2021.

Thats a huge flaw

VW ID will be low volume till 2022 then

Hurrache · 17-06-2019 10:05AM

beanian wrote: »

2009 Insignia Diesel, 3-4k is in the ball park of what I'd expect to get for it.

Not in a trade in you won't for a 2009 Insignia. If you do, go buy a lotto ticket.

adunis · 17-06-2019 10:13AM

I looked before I bought a secondhand one,
30k new seems to be the party line.
2nd hand=hens teath
Now if you want to talk about ridiculous pricing
Ladies n gentlemen,I give you.............
The eGolf

zg3409 · 17-06-2019 10:45AM

adunis wrote: »

30k new seems to be the party line.
2nd hand=hens teath

There are 3 full BEV on done deal from 22,450. The white one in Blanch has been for sale for a couple of months at least, and I think they have dropped the price slowly.

That is a fair price, although some bought new in the past for 26k after 4k scrappage of a banger worth zero. I don't believe 30k+ for a 191 is a good deal, but it depends on your needs. I went second hand and hung on to my old banger, which I use for weekends and long trips and towing. Having 2 cars is handy also when you forget to charge overnight (3 times in past 9 months)

Stock of used seems better in ROI than UK.

zg3409 · 17-06-2019 10:45AM

adunis wrote: »

30k new seems to be the party line.
2nd hand=hens teath

There are 3 full BEV on done deal from 22,450. The white one in Blanch has been for sale for a couple of months at least, and I think they have dropped the price slowly.

That is a fair price, although some bought new in the past for 26k after 4k scrappage of a banger worth zero. I don't believe 30k+ for a 191 is a good deal, but it depends on your needs. I went second hand and hung on to my old banger, which I use for weekends and long trips and towing. Having 2 cars is handy also when you forget to charge overnight (3 times in past 9 months)

Stock of used seems better in ROI than UK.

Mickeroo · 17-06-2019 10:47AM

zg3409 wrote: »

There are 3 full BEV on done deal from 22,450. The white one in Blanch has been for sale for a couple of months at least, and I think they have dropped the price slowly.

That is a fair price, although some bought new in the past for 26k after 4k scrappage of a banger worth zero. I don't believe 30k+ for a 191 is a good deal, but it depends on your needs. I went second hand and hung on to my old banger, which I use for weekends and long trips and towing. Having 2 cars is handy also when you forget to charge overnight (3 times in past 9 months)

Stock of used seems better in ROI than UK.

How do you work it with the back up banger? Do you just transfer the insurance for a couple of days when you need to use it or do you have two policies on the go?

krissovo · 17-06-2019 11:02AM

zg3409 wrote: »

There are 3 full BEV on done deal from 22,450. The white one in Blanch has been for sale for a couple of months at least, and I think they have dropped the price slowly.
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When compared to the others for sale this looks quite good given the mileage. Too good to be true? That would make a nice run around for my son.

beanian · 17-06-2019 11:02AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Not in a trade in you won't for a 2009 Insignia. If you do, go buy a lotto ticket.

These are the dealers numbers not mine. He said between 3-4k

Black_Knight · 17-06-2019 11:05AM

krissovo wrote: »

When compared to the others for sale this looks quite good given the mileage. Too good to be true? That would make a nice run around for my son.

IMO, it's been up a suspiciously long time, and has at least once moved from one dealer to another. My spidey senses are firing anytime I see that.

Mickeroo · 17-06-2019 11:06AM

It should still be under its full Hyundai warranty though and will be for another 3 years.

zg3409 · 17-06-2019 11:24AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

zg3409 wrote: »

How do you work it with the back up banger? Do you just transfer the insurance for a couple of days when you need to use it or do you have two policies on the go?

A bit off topic, but my insurance covers me to drive any vehicle I do not own...PM me for details. Hire cars such as go car are another option, I considered declaring 'my' old banger car off the road for tax purposes and then tax it the odd time I need it for minimum period, rinse and repeat. I also consider classic tax of 50 euro per year for something like a jag.

Fermi · 17-06-2019 12:44PM

Hi All,

I am due to get another service (I am at 79k on the clock) and I need them to have a look at the air-con - it makes this really annoying metallic noise that is driving me crazy.

Question is, should that be covered by the warranty or should I expect to pay for it?

pdpmur · 17-06-2019 01:12PM

zg3409 wrote: »

Mickeroo wrote: »

A bit off topic, but my insurance covers me to drive any vehicle I do not own....

Sorry for sliding further off topic, but have you checked your insurance policy small print about this? In general insured driving of other cars only applies where the car is already insured in someone's name.

Mickeroo · 17-06-2019 02:18PM

Fermi wrote: »

Hi All,

I am due to get another service (I am at 79k on the clock) and I need them to have a look at the air-con - it makes this really annoying metallic noise that is driving me crazy.

Question is, should that be covered by the warranty or should I expect to pay for it?

I would have expected something like that to be covered under warranty assuming it's a mechanical fault of some kind.

this.lad · 17-06-2019 06:16PM

Hi all,

2 years on with my Ioniq bev she's running like a dream. 60k on the clock.
Our other car, 2.0 diesel 06, is getting more expensive to run and to keep road worthy.

I priced up a second ioniq might pull the trigger but I'd welcome advice. This is, after all, where i found out all about them in the first place.

Speculate away....

- likelihood of a price drop when the new version cones out?

Practical advice...

Charging two cars?

Discuss.

liamog · 17-06-2019 08:25PM

this.lad wrote: »

Hi all,

2 years on with my Ioniq bev she's running like a dream. 60k on the clock.
Our other car, 2.0 diesel 06, is getting more expensive to run and to keep road worthy.

I priced up a second ioniq might pull the trigger but I'd welcome advice. This is, after all, where i found out all about them in the first place.

Speculate away....

- likelihood of a price drop when the new version cones out?

Practical advice...

Charging two cars?

Discuss.

Can't really see a price drop occurring when the bigger range comes out. They'll likely stop selling the 28kWh model, its not like they have a load of stock to shift.

When it comes to charging two cars, if you have a 32A home charger, you can likely handle switching between the two. It really depends on how much you are using each car. We have to charge the Ioniq every fourth day and my e-Up! every other day. So in practice the e-Up! gets plugged in every night, and the Ioniq every third. When I upgrade the e-Up! to a bigger battery we'll probably just alternate nights.

unkel · 17-06-2019 09:06PM

Charging each car every other night was my first suggestion too

Depending on what way your cars are parked on your drive and where the current charger is, from a convenience point of view, you could consider installing a second charger. You'll most likely need another one when 50kWh+ batteries are the norm and you need to charge both at the same time to be able to fully use the night rate. If you could pick up a second hand one for €200 and have a friendly electrician install it, the cost wouldn't be so bad. You will need a priority switch if you ever want to use them at the same time though

ELM327 · 18-06-2019 10:14AM

unkel wrote: »

Charging each car every other night was my first suggestion too

Depending on what way your cars are parked on your drive and where the current charger is, from a convenience point of view, you could consider installing a second charger. You'll most likely need another one when 50kWh+ batteries are the norm and you need to charge both at the same time to be able to fully use the night rate. If you could pick up a second hand one for €200 and have a friendly electrician install it, the cost wouldn't be so bad. You will need a priority switch if you ever want to use them at the same time though

I wonder could you install a self monitoring set of 2 home chargers, either of which can give 32a on their own but if you turn both on at the same time, they can only give 16a each

Mickeroo · 18-06-2019 10:35AM

ELM327 wrote: »

I wonder could you install a self monitoring set of 2 home chargers, either of which can give 32a on their own but if you turn both on at the same time, they can only give 16a each

Zappi would be able to do that by default once you have the load balancing set up on both i would think.

KCross · 18-06-2019 11:08AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Zappi would be able to do that by default once you have the load balancing set up on both i would think.

That was my first thought too but I wonder would it actually behave that way.

Both Zappi's wouldnt be talking to each other. They would both be independently reacting to the total house load.

I wonder would the first charger to come on grab all the power and the second one would get nothing or maybe only 10A(depending on how much headroom there is).... maybe they would eventually both settle on 16A but I wouldnt take it for granted until someone confirmed that it does actually bahave that way... and I think it might not.

I do believe the Tesla Wall Connector has load sharing across two charge points as they are configured in a master-slave configuration so both charge points are talking to each other so I'd expect that to result in both equally sharing the max available power.

Mickeroo · 18-06-2019 11:14AM

Perhaps set one with a limit of 16A so you would only use it if the other one wasn't free. Then have the other with the higher limit. I think that would work as the second charger would never go above circa 3.5kw?

Maybe there's functionality in the Harvi or app to do all this?

(sorry this is slightly off topic for Ioniq thread!)

GreeBo · 18-06-2019 12:15PM

Whats your commute on each car?
How likely are you to need to charge both at the same time?

Black_Knight · 18-06-2019 12:27PM

My own thoughts (base on nothing at all) would be to not future proof too much. If you can share a single charger for now, do. Households having 2+ EVs will slowly become more of a norm, and the options of chargers capable of working under these scenarios will become greater, and likely cheaper.

GreeBo · 18-06-2019 12:58PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

My own thoughts (base on nothing at all) would be to not future proof too much. If you can share a single charger for now, do. Households having 2+ EVs will slowly become more of a norm, and the options of chargers capable of working under these scenarios will become greater, and likely cheaper.

I think as battery range increases the likelihood of both needing to charge at the same time is eliminated.
Its just a change of attitude from running your ICE tank down to empty before you fill V's continually topping up.

Black_Knight · 18-06-2019 02:33PM

GreeBo wrote: »

I think as battery range increases the likelihood of both needing to charge at the same time is eliminated.
Its just a change of attitude from running your ICE tank down to empty before you fill V's continually topping up.

What about the extra weight of carrying around those extra KWs :pac:

Dglflyer · 18-06-2019 02:39PM

I was trying to come up with a quick rule of thumb when explaining savings on fuel , if you have an electric car and plug it in at night
(assuming 7c night rate )

Take the number of kilometers on your odometer and divide by 10, this is what you have spent on fuel ( diesel /petrol )

Divide by 10 again and this is what it would cost to "fuel" with electricity

Would you think this is a good "ball park" rule to use

Black_Knight · 18-06-2019 02:57PM

Dglflyer wrote: »

I was trying to come up with a quick rule of thumb when explaining savings on fuel , if you have an electric car and plug it in at night
(assuming 7c night rate )

Take the number of kilometers on your odometer and divide by 10, this is what you have spent on fuel ( diesel /petrol )

Divide by 10 again and this is what it would cost to "fuel" with electricity

Would you think this is a good "ball park" rule to use

Night rate is 9c I thought. Either way...
Ioniq doing 200km range at 28KW.
Thats 100km from 14kw.
14KW @ €0.09/KW = €1.26/100km
€1.26 gets about 0.87liters of petrol at the moment (petrol around €1.45 yeah?). So my ioniq runs at the equivalent of around 0.87L/100KM
What do efficient cars do these days? 4-5L/100KM

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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