Garda Apology

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Stop moaning ffs, you’ve been wedging your prejudices into the thread, all throughout the thread, when the woman at the centre of this particular case has not once held them responsible for the way she was treated.

Before you lecture anyone else about context, perhaps you should consider that it’s you is responsible for deflecting responsibility from the people whom the woman in this particular case claims are responsible for the way she was treated, not the people whom you want to claim are responsible for the way she was treated due to your persistent attempts to wedge in your own prejudices.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you think the GRA in 1980's did no wrong

OK.



Thanks

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the sad thing is a large cohort of the posters on either side of this debate would read back on the last few pages and immediately think the other side was trolling them

but i have a terrible suspicion most of ye are genuine

thats the tragedy tbh

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course you have an interest in holding people responsible. Now you’re trying to suggest that Ireland needs to know this went on and wake up? Irish people know bloody well it went on, and were fully supportive of it at the time!

The reason I take issue with your opinion is because up to when I first responded to your post, I was reading your posts in the thread where you’re attempting to portray a narrative of a very different society of which this woman and others like her were victims of some strange archaic notions you have of the 80’s.

We know for example from this woman’s own story that contraceptives were available, because they were using them, that people were having casual sex, because they were, that AGS were held in high esteem, because they were, that not everyone at the time were in thrall to the Catholic Church, because most of them weren’t. They were mostly concerned with what their families, friends and neighbours would think of them.

Irish society really hasn’t changed all that much throughout history and much of what happened then still goes on today, and the same people who were looked down upon then are still looked down upon today. Take a look at what goes on in your own neighbourhood in the present before you get any ideas that we’ve moved on from the past.

You have a prejudice against the Catholic Church, and it’s obvious from just your posts in this thread alone that you do. This sort of nonsense was just another example -




I don’t know what Christian brothers you’re familiar with, but the school I went to none of us were hit or beaten, let alone regularly. Even in her own story she gave an account of a nun in her time in an industrial school who was one of the kindest people she’d known. I could say the same of the Brothers in the CBS I went to. Her story is about that though, because it’s her story, not yours to appropriate and spin to suit your own agenda.

I’ve listened to her story and it’s not actually that uncommon at all for the times that they were, and it wouldn’t be uncommon today if a member of AGS were to bring the force into disrepute that they too would be disciplined as she was. She wasn’t treated any more unfairly than anyone else in her circumstances. I don’t think anyone owes her any apology, but if people want to apologise to her for something they didn’t do and feel collectively guilty for something they weren’t responsible for, then fair enough. But please don’t go assuming on my behalf that I’m not aware of the times they were and the people’s attitudes at the time which aren’t all that different to people’s attitudes now.

It’s your own strange and archaic notions of collective guilt that serve no purpose in addressing what you claim was a wrong committed at the time against the woman in question in this particular case.