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Garda Apology

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  • 16-06-2019 6:08pm
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    riemann
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    So this lady is talking about getting personal apologies from 2 heads that didn't have anything to do with how she was treated over 30 years ago.

    If she's so keen to move forward why bring all this up after so long?

    Why go after people who didn't do anything to her, instead of pointing the finger at those actually responsible?

    One wonders what the end game is.


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    Fann Linn
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    I suppose because they're representative of the force she served in.


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    amcalester
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    Money. It’s alway money.


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    [Deleted User]
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    A mea culpa from Flanagan isn't worth a hill of beans, those who oversaw her humiliation in the 80s should be held directly accountable.


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    The high horse brigade
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    She is due an apology


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    It's not about the people, but the organisation. The same as current ministers or governments apologising for past events.


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    judeboy101
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    She knowingly had sex outside marriage and an illegitimate child with a fellow recruit , in a time where rightly or wrongly, would bring disrepute to the office of garda. What did she think would happen?


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    honeybear
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    She is due an apology

    Agree. Heard radio documentary yesterday (think it’s repeated tonight at 7). Not an easy listening experience.


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    Ten of Swords
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    A mea culpa from Flanagan isn't worth a hill of beans, those who oversaw her humiliation in the 80s should be held directly accountable.

    The garda commissioner from 1984 is dead now

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/obituary-larry-wren-34534992.html

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    The high horse brigade
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    She knowingly had sex outside marriage and an illegitimate child with a fellow recruit , in a time where rightly or wrongly, would bring disrepute to the office of garda. What did she think would happen?

    Yes they were very backward times we have now moved on from, she needs an apology to show we have moved on.


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    Elemonator
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    In fairness, she is due a lot of compensation.

    The horrible concept of illegitimate children are just imaginary sticks religious nutjobs use to beat others they think are inferior.


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    suicide_circus
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    every organisation in this country (and all other countries) has a hell of a lot of apologising to do.


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    RasTa
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    Well that's a mental story. Ireland really was a crazy place.


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    judeboy101
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Yes they were very backward times we have now moved on from, she needs an apology to show we have moved on.

    So let's explore this, let's say jimmy arrives in temple more tomorrow and starts to sell legal but highly distasteful German dungeon porn to his fellow recruits. Hq find out and he is kicked off the force for bringing them into disrepute. 5 yrs later German dungeon porn becomes mainstream and popular, everyone watches it. Should he get compo and an apology? No he doesn't, he knew what I would happen, just like she did.


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    tupenny
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    Illegitimate is such a messed up word to label a child with


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    Nobelium
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    Why wait till exactly now in 2019 ? It not as if she could not have come out with this anytime in at least the last 10 years.


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    judeboy101
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    Elemonator wrote: »
    In fairness, she is due a lot of compensation.

    The horrible concept of illegitimate children are just imaginary sticks religious nutjobs use to beat others they think are inferior.

    She got super early retirement and a golden handshake. She's been used as a Rosa parks by the "forced adoption" crowd.


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    dudara
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    She knowingly had sex outside marriage and an illegitimate child with a fellow recruit , in a time where rightly or wrongly, would bring disrepute to the office of garda. What did she think would happen?

    What penance do you want from her? The only thing she did wrong was to sleep with a fellow employee. Everything else was as a result of the typical backwards mindset of the time.


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    tupenny
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Why it is suddenly a big issue now ? and why wait till exactly now in 2019 ?

    Maybe only now she's come to terms with the ordeal herself and is only now able to speak out?


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    Bannasidhe
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So let's explore this, let's say jimmy arrives in temple more tomorrow and starts to sell legal but highly distasteful German dungeon porn to his fellow recruits. Hq find out and he is kicked off the force for bringing them into disrepute. 5 yrs later German dungeon porn becomes mainstream and popular, everyone watches it. Should he get compo and an apology? No he doesn't, he knew what I would happen, just like she did.


    Are you seriously comparing selling porn to a having a child?


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    kneemos
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    What we're the rules at the time?


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    judeboy101
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    dudara wrote: »
    What penance do you want from her? The only thing she did wrong was to sleep with a fellow employee. Everything else was as a result of the typical backwards mindset of the time.

    She consciously chose to sign away her kid to keep her job, think about that for a second. The other guard knew this and didn't step up to the plate. Methinks guilt can sometimes be used to lash out rather than accept ones own deeds.


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    The high horse brigade
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So let's explore this, let's say jimmy arrives in temple more tomorrow and starts to sell legal but highly distasteful German dungeon porn to his fellow recruits. Hq find out and he is kicked off the force for bringing them into disrepute. 5 yrs later German dungeon porn becomes mainstream and popular, everyone watches it. Should he get compo and an apology? No he doesn't, he knew what I would happen, just like she did.

    Holy sh1t that's a retarded comparison, maybe some of us haven't moved on. She did nothing wrong other than sleep with a man and have a child out of marriage


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    dudara
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    ^^Put yourself in the shoes of a woman in Catholic Ireland back then. Many women gave up their children rather than face the social “outrage”. It was a different time, and while we would like to believe that we would behave differently if we were in her shoes, I’m not so sure that we would.


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    judeboy101
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Are you seriously comparing selling porn to a having a child?

    I'm saying both actions would mean the guards then (unmarried mother, premarital sex) and now (dodgy dungeon porn ring in templemore) would both bring the institution into disrepute and as such they would have the right legally to discipline.


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    dudara wrote: »
    What penance do you want from her? The only thing she did wrong was to sleep with a fellow employee. Everything else was as a result of the typical backwards mindset of the time.


    Exactly, that was the mindset of the time. The time in which she lived. And this story takes place in that same time.


    Whatever about looking back a generation later, that was how it was back then. She's on the lookout for a few Euro, not an apology, in my honest opinion.


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    judeboy101
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Holy sh1t that's a retarded comparison, maybe some of us haven't moved on. She did nothing wrong other than sleep with a man and have a child out of marriage

    You obviously don't know much about how the guards are meant to conduct themselves, they have rules about bringing the uniform into disrepute.


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    RasTa
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    I'm saying both actions would mean the guards then (unmarried mother, premarital sex) and now (dodgy dungeon porn ring in templemore) would both bring the institution into disrepute and as such they would have the right legally to discipline.

    Jesus, you really hate women don't ye.


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    #29
    older i get better i was
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    riemann wrote: »
    So this lady is talking about getting personal apologies from 2 heads that didn't have anything to do with how she was treated over 30 years ago.

    If she's so keen to move forward why bring all this up after so long?

    Why go after people who didn't do anything to her, instead of pointing the finger at those actually responsible?

    One wonders what the end game is.

    Listen to the documentary and it'll be obvious rather than commenting from a point of ignorance ye twonk.


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    Ipso
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    She knowingly had sex outside marriage and an illegitimate child with a fellow recruit , in a time where rightly or wrongly, would bring disrepute to the office of garda. What did she think would happen?

    Did she have sex with herself?


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    judeboy101
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    dudara wrote: »
    ^^Put yourself in the shoes of a woman in Catholic Ireland back then. Many women gave up their children rather than face the social “outrage”. It was a different time, and while we would like to believe that we would behave differently if we were in her shoes, I’m not so sure that we would.

    Did you listen to the interview, she had no problem bringing other lad to her fathers house for sex and she 'knew' before he left she was pregnant.she was no shrinking violet but a tough cookie who joined the guards and made a mistake. She was legally disciplined by the guards and she choose to give her kid away, no one forced her.


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