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Garda Apology

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    #92
    Beechwoodspark
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Not quite, correct she didn't want to marry him, and she didn't have to put the child up for adoption, but she didn't want to care for it. She could have kept her child and her job, just like previous female guards did at the time. It was her choice to put the child up for adoption.

    I’m lost !

    She could have kept the child and her job but decided not to?


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    #93
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Just trying to understand this.

    So the guy wanted to marry her, but she said no way and instead put the child up for adoption against her will?

    Job or her baby was the bottom line

    She made the decision to give up her child


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    #94
    Nobelium
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I’m lost !

    She could have kept the child and her job but decided not to?

    Correct. Other female guards who found themselves in a similar situation at the time did exactly that.
    Edgware wrote: »
    The Commissioner and Minister doing the PR job and announcing an apology. The correct approach would be to meet Majella in person.

    The Garda regulations of the time obviously had a catch all charge " bringing the Garda Siochana into disrepute"
    I do know of a female Garda who became a single mother also around that time and she received a transfer to near her family home and kept the baby. Does that mean different approaches to this situation occurred in different Garda areas?


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    #95
    Strazdas
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    dudara wrote: »
    ^^Put yourself in the shoes of a woman in Catholic Ireland back then. Many women gave up their children rather than face the social “outrage”. It was a different time, and while we would like to believe that we would behave differently if we were in her shoes, I’m not so sure that we would.

    The whole of Irish society was deeply dysfunctional back then. People like to lay the blame at the feet of the Catholic Church, but I would say the whole of society was messed up......even the general population were dysfunctional.


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    #96
    Beechwoodspark
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Job or her baby was the bottom line

    She made the decision to give up her child

    And also turned down the offer of marriage from the dad?


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    #97
    Nobelium
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Job or her baby was the bottom line

    She made the decision to give up her child

    Incorrect, she could have kept the child and her job, like others did, but she didn't want to look after the child.
    Edgware wrote: »
    The Commissioner and Minister doing the PR job and announcing an apology. The correct approach would be to meet Majella in person.

    The Garda regulations of the time obviously had a catch all charge " bringing the Garda Siochana into disrepute"
    I do know of a female Garda who became a single mother also around that time and she received a transfer to near her family home and kept the baby. Does that mean different approaches to this situation occurred in different Garda areas?


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    #98
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Seemingly the father of the child was fined £90 for shagging a fellow garda recruit. But no apology for him from Drew or Charlie, nor any offer to give him back the £90 plus interest.

    Equality my hole.


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    #99
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    And also turned down the offer of marriage from the dad?

    Seems so


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    #100
    Beechwoodspark
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Seemingly the father of the child was fined £10 for shagging a fellow garda recruit. But no apology for him from Drew or Charlie, nor any offer to give him back the £10 plus interest.

    Equality my hole.

    No. He was fined 90 quid

    This was after he asked her to marry him and she said no.

    Confusing story


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    #101
    riemann
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    she didn't want to look after the kid.

    Repeating this doesn't make it true, and I've no idea how you came to this conclusion.

    She was 22 and getting a lot of pressure from all sides.


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    #102
    Nobelium
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Seemingly the father of the child was fined £10 for shagging a fellow garda recruit. But no apology for him from Drew or Charlie, nor any offer to give him back the £10 plus interest.

    Equality my hole.

    £ 90, but yes he was charged, faced a disciplinary inquiry and found guilty and charged. Her charges were dropped, she faced no disciplinary inquiry, and was just cautioned. The male guard also offered to marry her, but she refused and didn't want to look after the kid.


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    #103
    Mrsmum
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    90 pounds was my first weekly wage at that time. Not sure how much a garda recruit would be on.


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    #104
    Nobelium
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    riemann wrote: »
    Repeating this doesn't make it true, and I've no idea how you came to this conclusion.

    She was 22 and getting a lot of pressure from all sides.

    Other female Gardai who found themselves in the same position kept their children and their job.
    Edgware wrote: »
    The Garda regulations of the time obviously had a catch all charge " bringing the Garda Siochana into disrepute"
    I do know of a female Garda who became a single mother also around that time and she received a transfer to near her family home and kept the baby.


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    #105
    ceadaoin.
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    Why are people acting like she is completely to blame for her situation because she didn't want to get married (to a person who I assume was a casual partner) in a country where divorce wasn't an option at the time?

    I haven't heard the interview but from the article I read, it seems like she would have kept the child if she wasn't put under pressure to adopt from all sides.


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    #106
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Nobelium wrote: »

    The male guard also offered to marry her, but she refused

    She owes him £90.


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    #107
    Mrsmum
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Other female Gardai who found themselves in the same position kept their children and their job.

    I don't think you can say she just didn't want to look after the child. That's simplistic. Probably knew she didn't have the wherewithal to do it by herself and didn't want to marry him.
    But I do think she made her choice and I don't agree with her blaming others for that decision.


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    #108
    Nobelium
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Why are people acting like she is completely to blame for her situation because she didn't want to get married (to a person who I assume was a casual partner) in a country where divorce wasn't an option at the time?

    I haven't heard the interview but from the article I read, it seems like she would have kept the child if she wasn't put under pressure to adopt from all sides.

    Who's blaming her for not getting married ? and she could have kept the child if she wanted to look after it. Other unmarried female guards at the time did.


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    #109
    Allinall
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    She didn't want to get married, she didn't want to look after the child, and now she wants to sue the state . . .

    You just made that up.

    Shame on you.


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    #110
    Cork Trucker
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    Elemonator wrote: »
    In fairness, she is due a lot of compensation.

    The horrible concept of illegitimate children are just imaginary sticks religious nutjobs use to beat others they think are inferior.

    I'm the child of a man who had an extra marital affair, should i sue his wife for my existence and the subsequent years in state care because she wasn't doing a good job on my father (a state employee at the time) in bed? My mother was only a school girl who wasn't even at junior cert age when he shacked up with her so can't blame her.


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    #111
    Nobelium
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    Allinall wrote: »
    Shame on you.

    Shame ? lol some things never change


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    #112
    Cork Trucker
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    She owes him £90.

    what were the wages of the day in comparison to the fine?


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    #113
    Allinall
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Shame ? lol some things never change

    Yep.

    Arseholes will always be arseholes.


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    #114
    MrFresh
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    She owes him £90.


    For what?


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    #115
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    For what?

    Getting him into trouble, of course. :rolleyes:


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    #116
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Allinall wrote: »
    Yep.

    Arseholes will always be arseholes.

    If the pair of them had used that orifice then the problem would never have arisen.


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    #117
    Mrsmum
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    This is from The Sun, not sure if it's correct but if it is, the Archbishop only got involved because she herself through CURA made the situation known to him.


    "In 1985, with the disciplinary proceedings still hanging over her, Majella was told by a colleague that they heard she was going to be sacked.
    In turn, Majella spoke to Mena Robinson, from CURA, the Catholic Church's Crisis Pregnancy Agency.
    A meeting followed between the then Garda Commissioner Larry Wren, Archbishop Kevin McNamara, and and Ms Robinson in the Archbishop’s Palace.
    Majella told the documentary: "Mena came back to me after that meeting, and told me that Archbishop McNamara turned to Larry Wren and said ‘If you sack Majella, you’re opening the gates to England’."


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    #118
    Sixtoes
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    She knowingly had sex outside marriage and an illegitimate child with a fellow recruit , in a time where rightly or wrongly, would bring disrepute to the office of garda. What did she think would happen?

    You are scum.


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    #119
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    I'm the child of a man who had an extra marital affair, should i sue his wife for my existence and the subsequent years in state care because she wasn't doing a good job on my father (a state employee at the time) in bed? My mother was only a school girl who wasn't even at junior cert age when he shacked up with her so can't blame her.

    Why not blame the person who "shacked up with" and impregnated an underage girl and then seemingly abandoned her and the child? It doesn't seem like the two women in the situation described had much choice over what happened.


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    #120
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Sixtoes wrote: »
    You are scum.

    Translation: I disagree with you but haven't the ability to articulate why.


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    #121
    Sixtoes
    Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Sixtoes


    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Translation: I disagree with you but haven't the ability to articulate why.

    You are scum also. Get a life you prick.


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