Champions Cup 2019/20 draw - Wed 19th June 1pm Irish time

thomond2006 · 27-05-2019 10:33am #1

The Theatre de Beaulieu in Lausanne will play host to the Pool Stage Draws, with Europe’s top club sides being pitted against each other at 14:00 CEST on Wednesday 19 June.

https://www.epcrugby.com/2019/05/24/heineken-champions-cup-and-european-rugby-challenge-cup-pool-stage-draw-details/

Champions Cup Participants
Pro14: Leinster, Glasgow Warriors, Munster, Ulster, Connacht, Benetton, Ospreys
Premiership: Saracens, Exeter Chiefs, Gloucester, Northampton Saints, Bath, Sale Sharks
Top14: Toulouse, Clermont, Lyon, Montpellier, La Rochelle, Racing 92

ScrubsfanChris · 27-05-2019 11:47am

Do we know current seedings, or do we have to wait until Top14 is completed?

thomond2006 · 27-05-2019 11:48am

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Do we know current seedings, or do we have to wait until Top14 is completed?

Oddly the draw takes place before the Top14 final, so unless I'm missing something we won't know who the Top14's top seed is.

ScrubsfanChris · 27-05-2019 11:58am

Current rankings, which I'm assuming are correct. I didn't make this list myself.

That +22 for Leinster and -22 for Glasgow is the Pro14 final I would guess.

Looking at the criteria, the tiers are decided by league finishing positions, what are the European rankings for again?

27-05-2019 12:01pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Oddly the draw takes place before the Top14 final, so unless I'm missing something we won't know who the Top14's top seed is.

Top 14 final is 15 June

thomond2006 · 27-05-2019 12:03pm

Rayden Sour Television wrote: »

Top 14 final is 15 June

Oops!

Dubinusa · 27-05-2019 12:05pm

Where will the final be played?

ScrubsfanChris · 27-05-2019 12:07pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Where will the final be played?

Marseille

Dubinusa · 27-05-2019 12:26pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Marseille

Thanks.

slingerz · 27-05-2019 12:29pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Do we know current seedings, or do we have to wait until Top14 is completed?

Instead of seedings i think it it tiers that they are organsied into. Leinster will be tier 1 anyway and Glasgow may also be Tier 1. The runners up will be drawn to see which two get into tier 1 if i remember correctly.

daddy pig · 27-05-2019 12:38pm

As it stands...

Tier 1
Leinster : Premiership Winner : Top 14 Winner : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd

Tier 2
Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Munster : Gloucester : Top 14 3rd : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th

Tier 3
Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Connacht : Harlequins : Top 14 5th

Tier 4
Treviso : Bath : Top 14 6th : Ospreys : Sale

Former Former · 27-05-2019 12:53pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Current rankings, which I'm assuming are correct. I didn't make this list myself.

That +22 for Leinster and -22 for Glasgow is the Pro14 final I would guess.

Looking at the criteria, the tiers are decided by league finishing positions, what are the European rankings for again?

There are no European rankings anymore. Wherever those came from, they're unofficial.

ScrubsfanChris · 27-05-2019 1:30pm

daddy pig wrote: »

As it stands...

Tier 1
Leinster : Premiership Winner : Top 14 Winner : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd

Tier 2
Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Munster : Gloucester : Top 14 3rd : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th

Tier 3
Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Connacht : Harlequins : Top 14 5th

Tier 4
Treviso : Bath : Top 14 6th : Ospreys : Sale

Lots of ifs and maybes so...
Munster are ranked 3rd in the league so are guaranteed Tier 2

Buer · 01-06-2019 12:12pm

Well, group of death is now almost automatically the pool that features Racing as 3rd/4th seed. Something along the lines of Saracens, Munster, Racing and Bath could potentially come to pass.

Erik Shun · 01-06-2019 12:21pm

Buer wrote: »

Well, group of death is now almost automatically the pool that features Racing as 3rd/4th seed. Something along the lines of Saracens, Munster, Racing and Bath could potentially come to pass.

Leinster, Glasgow, Racing and Bath is do-able as well?
Theres a chance of s tasty group right enough..

Buer · 01-06-2019 6:05pm

Racing and Montpellier the bottom two seeds from France. Not going to be handy trips for higher seeds at all.

thomond2006 · 01-06-2019 6:19pm

Buer wrote: »

Racing and Montpellier the bottom two seeds from France. Not going to be handy trips for higher seeds at all.

Leinster will need to draw a Pro14 team in the bottom tier right? (Benetton or Ospreys)

Clubs from the same league will be kept apart until the allocation of the Tier 4 clubs.

https://www.epcrugby.com/2018/06/19/pool-draws-2018-19-heineken-champions-challenge-cup/

Potentially some tough trips for Munster...

Former Former · 01-06-2019 6:31pm

Erik Shun wrote: »

Leinster, Glasgow, Racing and Bath is do-able as well?
Theres a chance of s tasty group right enough..

No, you can only get another team from the same league when you get to the fourth tier. So the Irish sides can only get Benetton or Ospreys.

thomond2006 · 11-06-2019 3:46pm

With the Top14 final to come:

Tier 1:
Saracens
Leinster
Toulouse or Clermont
Toulouse/Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Toulouse/Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

Tier 2:
Toulouse/Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Gloucester
Munster
Lyon
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

Tier 3:
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
Harlequins
Connacht
Racing 92

Tier 4:
Bath
Benetton
Montpellier
Ospreys
Sale Sharks

thomond2006 · 15-06-2019 9:47pm

Tier 1:
Saracens
Leinster
Toulouse
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

Tier 2:
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Gloucester
Munster
Lyon
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

Tier 3:
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
Harlequins
Connacht
Racing 92

Tier 4:
Bath
Benetton
Montpellier
Ospreys
Sale Sharks

troyzer · 15-06-2019 9:51pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Tier 1:
Saracens
Leinster
Toulouse
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

Tier 2:
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Gloucester
Munster
Lyon
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

Tier 3:
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
Harlequins
Connacht
Racing 92

Tier 4:
Bath
Benetton
Montpellier
Ospreys
Sale Sharks

Why are there still options? Are these picked out of a hat on the day?

thomond2006 · 15-06-2019 9:52pm

troyzer wrote: »

Why are there still options? Are these picked out of a hat on the day?

Yes, 1 losing finalist has to be a Tier 2 team.

troyzer · 15-06-2019 9:57pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Why are there still options? Are these picked out of a hat on the day?

Yes, 1 losing finalist has to be a Tier 2 team.

And one losing semi finalist has to drop into tier 3?

thomond2006 · 16-06-2019 8:13am

troyzer wrote: »

And one losing semi finalist has to drop into tier 3?

One of the lower ranked teams, yes.

Burkie1203 · 16-06-2019 8:16am

thomond2006 wrote: »

One of the lower ranked teams, yes.

If Ulster drop into tier 3 then Leinster or Munster are guaranteed to draw Racing/La Rochelle

FrannoFan · 16-06-2019 9:06am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Tier 1:
Saracens
Leinster
Toulouse
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

Tier 2:
Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
Gloucester
Munster
Lyon
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

Tier 3:
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
Harlequins
Connacht
Racing 92

Tier 4:
Bath
Benetton
Montpellier
Ospreys
Sale Sharks

Why are munster tier 2 but ulster potentially tier 3? Both losing semi finalists

Cookiemunster · 16-06-2019 12:02pm

FrannoFan wrote: »

Why are munster tier 2 but ulster potentially tier 3? Both losing semi finalists

Munster finished with more points in the regular season.

slingerz · 16-06-2019 4:20pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If Ulster drop into tier 3 then Leinster or Munster are guaranteed to draw Racing/La Rochelle

Why could they not draw Quins?

Jump_In_Jack · 16-06-2019 5:55pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If Ulster drop into tier 3 then Leinster or Munster are guaranteed to draw Racing/La Rochelle

If Ulster and La Rochelle both drop down
i.e. If Exeter drop down to tier 2, Saints have to remain in tier 2 too, so Ulster and La Rochelle would drop down to tier 3.

Burkie1203 · 16-06-2019 6:19pm

slingerz wrote: »

Why could they not draw Quins?

They can but if Ulster drop down Leinster OR Munster will get R92/LAR.

One could get Quins but the other is defo getting one of the other 2

Jump_In_Jack · 16-06-2019 10:15pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

They can but if Ulster drop down Leinster OR Munster will get R92/LAR.

One could get Quins but the other is defo getting one of the other 2

Or Saints

thomond2006 · 17-06-2019 11:58am

https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/epcr/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/17082250/Heineken-Champions-Cup-Pool-Draw-explained.pdf

Full explanation of the draw.

thomond2006 · 17-06-2019 12:13pm

Saracens are the team to avoid in Tier 1, so from a Munster perspective we want as few English clubs as possible in Tier 2. Ideally Glasgow are the Tier 2 team as they would be ineligible to draw Munster if allocated to Tier 1.

If these scenarios are not possible let me know!

Best case scenario:
Exeter Chiefs
Munster
La Rochelle
Ospreys

Worst case scenario:
Saracens
Munster
Racing 92
Montpellier

Riskymove · 17-06-2019 1:56pm

yes both are possible

For Munster

1 will be Sarries/Exeter or Toulouse/Clermont (cannot be Glasgow or Leinster)

If 1 is French Team, then 3 will be Quins or Saints
If 1 is English team then 3 will be Racing or La Rochelle

3 cannot be Ulster or Connacht

We can have any of the Tier 4 teams

Riskymove · 17-06-2019 1:59pm

Leinster a bit more options until the seeding finalised

2 will be Clermont/Lyon/ La Rochelle or Exeter/Gloucester/Saints

If 2 is French then 3 is saints/quins
If 2 is English then la Rochelle /Racing

Any of 4 possible

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 10:05am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zII6IkMKf8

19-06-2019 11:38am

From my perspective, the best draws for Connacht would be:

Marketing:
Clermont
Northampton
Connacht
Bath

Chance of progression:
Exeter
Lyon
Connacht
Treviso

Worst draw:
Saracens
Clermont
Connacht
Montpeillier

molloyjh · 19-06-2019 11:51am

Lyon, Saints, Benetton please.....

It'll probably be Clermont, Saints and Montpellier though.

bennyl10 · 19-06-2019 11:53am

Pot 4 has some super tricky teams this time around

Benneton, if they can carry on half of last years form, will be one to avoid, as would Montpelier.
And Sale are such a mixed bag they can easily spring a surprise..

Ospreys probably the most 'gimme' team in that pot!

19-06-2019 11:56am

molloyjh wrote: »

Lyon, Saints, Benetton please.....

It'll probably be Clermont, Saints and Montpellier though.

Lyon can't be top seeds unfortunately.
I think my preference would be Clermont, Northampton, Connacht, Bath

Better away games, and good chance of big crowds at all 6 games with proper fans

Dave_The_Sheep · 19-06-2019 12:53pm

That music never fails to get the hairs on the neck standing up.

For those not watching live:

PMC83 · 19-06-2019 12:59pm

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

That music never fails to get the hairs on the neck standing up.

For those not watching live:

Its a whopper tune in fairness! Love it

molloyjh · 19-06-2019 1:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

molloyjh wrote: »

Lyon, Saints, Benetton please.....

It'll probably be Clermont, Saints and Montpellier though.

Lyon can't be top seeds unfortunately.
I think my preference would be Clermont, Northampton, Connacht, Bath

Better away games, and good chance of big crowds at all 6 games with proper fans

I'm a Leinster fan.

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 1:24pm

1:30pm start I'd say, there's a break on now.

vienne86 · 19-06-2019 1:25pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

1:30pm start I'd say, there's a break on now.

Wish they'd just get on with it!

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 1:27pm

vienne86 wrote: »

Wish they'd just get on with it!

A break in the broadcast would be necessary to triple check everything.

19-06-2019 1:28pm

molloyjh wrote: »

I'm a Leinster fan.

Sorry to hear that

PTH2009 · 19-06-2019 1:32pm

Jesus that observer is taking his job very serious

Buer · 19-06-2019 1:32pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

A break in the broadcast would be necessary to triple check everything.

This is the part where Serge would dip the Biarritz ball into a bucket of ice for 10 minutes.

thomond2006 · 19-06-2019 1:34pm

Tier 1:
Saracens
Leinster
Toulouse
Clermont
Exeter Chiefs

Tier 2:
Glasgow
Gloucester
Munster
Lyon
Ulster

Tier 3:
Northampton Saints
La Rochelle
Harlequins
Connacht
Racing 92

Tier 4:
Bath
Benetton
Montpellier
Ospreys
Sale Sharks

roverjoyce · 19-06-2019 1:35pm

Guaranteed Lyon or Gloucester now

Champions Cup 2019/20 draw - Wed 19th June 1pm Irish time

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