Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

Silent Running · 09-06-2019 12:19PM

jusmeig wrote: »

Does anyone know what the first Ioniq service entails? Do I have to specifically mention the firmware upgrade or is that done as standard. 10k on the clock after a year so was gonna book it in.

I had my very discreet dash cam running while they did mine.

Topped off the washer fluid, checked all the lights worked. Put it up on a lift, I couldn't see what they did, but it only took a minute. I'd say a visual of the underside.

Then washed it and parked it.

Mickeroo · 09-06-2019 02:02PM

jusmeig wrote: »

Does anyone know what the first Ioniq service entails? Do I have to specifically mention the firmware upgrade or is that done as standard. 10k on the clock after a year so was gonna book it in.

Definitely mention it, they won't bother their hole even checking it otherwise.

unkel · 09-06-2019 02:36PM

irishgrover wrote: »

I don't think it's odd at all to be honest. For me, range is low due to very high quiet motorway usage.

+1

For me range is high because of lots and lots of local driving and rarely any prolonged 120km/h driving.

Some people mentioned tyre pressure recently. Just checked mine last night and they were 35. That's a bit low for me, I'll get them back to 38. This makes a significant difference on range

Also my driving style is aggressive, but also with a high level of anticipation (when will the traffic light ahead go green? what will that car ahead do next? looking "around" bends, etc. etc.). This will lead to smoother driving and longer range. I have been taught that anticipation was the most important aspect of driving a car from when I learned to drive and I have been driving for 35 years now. Someone once recommended the UK police driving manual "Roadcraft". I bought it but was disappointed as I already practiced pretty much everything in that book

BigAl81 · 09-06-2019 11:47PM

Speaking of range, I did 70kms from the border towards Dublin at 120kmph, and got an efficiency of 16.1kWh/100kms so a range of about 174kms at temperature of 15 degrees.

I did the next 10kms at a speed of 100kmph, and got an efficiency of 13kWh/100kms, so a range of 215kms.

Might be useful to have some real world numbers from today.

If the temperature starts to drop below 10 degrees, or it starts to rain heavily, or the wind changes direction / picks up, you could knock another 10 or 20% of that range!

unkel · 10-06-2019 12:14AM

Yep. Remember that a mild 20km/h headwind means your 100km/h is in reality using a consumption of 120km/h

Was your 16kWh/100km at an indicated 120km or at a GPS 120km/h (indicated 125km/h)

I always remember Leaf drivers saying their range wasn't too bad at 100km/h, but that was indicated and in reality they were doing just 89km/h or something like that

BigAl81 · 10-06-2019 12:19AM

unkel wrote:

Was your 16kWh/100km at an indicated 120km or at a GPS 120km/h (indicated 125km/h)

Indicated on the dash. I'd guess 116 real / GPS speed as my car has always been exactly overclocking 4kmph any time I've checked.

unkel · 10-06-2019 12:30AM

BigAl81 wrote: »

my car has always been exactly overclocking 4kmph any time I've checked.

You haven't checked properly so

It's 4km/h up to about 100km/h, then 5km/h up to about 140km/h, then 6km/h up to top speed

All iirc, I tried well over 2 years ago when I got the car first. Very important to know your real speed if you want to avoid speeding fines but don't want to drive to slowly. Speed limit is a target, remember. Not a limit

iggy · 15-06-2019 01:21PM

Back bumper wrapped today. Also got around the fog lights done too

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Black_Knight · 15-06-2019 03:19PM

iggy wrote: »

Back bumper wrapped today. Also got around the fog lights done too

https://i.ibb.co/kJLjykr/IMG-20190615-130437-1.jpg

Looks great! Do you mind me asking what it cost you to get everything wrapped? (front, rear and fogs). I'm going getting a quote this next week or 2.

iggy · 15-06-2019 03:25PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Looks great! Do you mind me asking what it cost you to get everything wrapped? (front, rear and fogs). I'm going getting a quote this next week or 2.

€220 for the lot.

Got it done here
http://www.wrap-it.ie/

Old diesel · 15-06-2019 07:12PM

What should we regard as the safe year round range for current Ioniq with non Geek just want to drive normally drivers.

My sister in law and my brother were looking at the Ioniq today.

I think it will do all their journeys but am I right in thinking 100 miles is realistic all year round.

They will do some 80 to 90 miles or so round trips.

liamog · 15-06-2019 07:18PM

Old diesel wrote: »

What should we regard as the safe year round range for current Ioniq with non Geek just want to drive normally drivers.

My sister in law and my brother were looking at the Ioniq today.

I think it will do all their journeys but am I right in thinking 100 miles is realistic all year round.

They will do some 80 to 90 miles or so round trips.

Are they looking at a brand new Ioniq or second hand. I'd say 160km is dependable in brutal conditions.

If they are looking at a new Ioniq they should wait till the bigger battery comes out in November.

beanian · 15-06-2019 07:31PM

Went to my local dealer today and had a look at the Ioniq. Was nice enough but typical paddy spec. He mentioned they have a top UK spec one on irish plates (191) that the manager was driving.
Sat in it and it was MUCH nicer. Leather really added to the interior and it was fully loaded with all the toys, ventilated seats, memory seats etc.
Got a price of 34k down to 31k after trade in.
Am I mad to consider it with the new model just around the corner?

Old diesel · 15-06-2019 07:34PM

liamog wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

What should we regard as the safe year round range for current Ioniq with non Geek just want to drive normally drivers.

My sister in law and my brother were looking at the Ioniq today.

I think it will do all their journeys but am I right in thinking 100 miles is realistic all year round.

They will do some 80 to 90 miles or so round trips.

Are they looking at a brand new Ioniq or second hand. I'd say 160km is dependable in brutal conditions.

If they are looking at a new Ioniq they should wait till the bigger battery comes out in November.

Yes - brand new.

But when I was telling my brother about the 38 kwh - he was iffy about the extra cost.

I think it might be a case of the current car being at the limit cost wise.

This does highlight price sensitivity with all these EVs.

It's lovely that a Kona can do 200 miles but the cost is getting out of hand for the normal just want a car as transport folk.

For context a Hybrid Corolla is 27 k or thereabouts.

A CHR* hybrid could be got close to Ioniq too price wise. And (remember non geeks here) fill up at any pump.

*she likes those a lot

iggy · 15-06-2019 08:08PM

Was talking to a main dealer today and he said the new Ioniq will be €36k after grants.
Not sure if true

Gumbo · 15-06-2019 08:36PM

beanian wrote: »

Went to my local dealer today and had a look at the Ioniq. Was nice enough but typical paddy spec. He mentioned they have a top UK spec one on irish plates (191) that the manager was driving.
Sat in it and it was MUCH nicer. Leather really added to the interior and it was fully loaded with all the toys, ventilated seats, memory seats etc.
Got a price of 34k down to 31k after trade in.
Am I mad to consider it with the new model just around the corner?

What do you mean you got the price down to 31 after trade in.
Is the car 34k or 31k and then how much is he valuing the trade in at?

Old diesel · 15-06-2019 08:39PM

iggy wrote: »

Was talking to a main dealer today and he said the new Ioniq will be €36k after grants.
Not sure if true

You'd be as well to get a 64 kwh Kia eSoul or eNiro at that money.

Range better, charging speed potential is better etc.

Disappointing if true

beanian · 15-06-2019 08:46PM

kceire wrote: »

What do you mean you got the price down to 31 after trade in.
Is the car 34k or 31k and then how much is he valuing the trade in at?

Price is 34k, 3k trade in = 31k

unkel · 15-06-2019 10:48PM

iggy wrote: »

Was talking to a main dealer today and he said the new Ioniq will be €36k after grants.
Not sure if true

Would be very disappointing if that is true. Overpriced.

But I guess, as with the also overpriced Kona, if a company is getting away with high prices, they will and they should. We live in a capitalist world. It is the core objective of every business to maximise profits. The scarcity of supply of EVs coupled with the very quickly increasing demand (and our generous €10k subsidy) leads to this behaviour.

liamog · 16-06-2019 01:56AM

Mid Range e-niro is listed at 33,500. Can see Hyundai pricing the Ioniq 38kWh at the same mark.

unkel · 16-06-2019 02:04AM

Even at €33k on the road including metallic paint, cash buy, both 39kWh e-Niro or Ioniq are still overpriced imho. Don't you agree Liam?

People will buy them, I guess the price is right from a supply meets demand point of view. I'm very disappointed and frustrated in general about the lack of progress in supply of EVs. Will VAG finally deliver next year? Millions of reasonably priced EVs for the masses?

liamog · 16-06-2019 02:35AM

Prices are all set at a level based on emissions targets. We've hit it across lots of threads.

You could sell a €15k supermini with a 25kWh battery right now, but you'd be daft to unless you were an EV o ly manufacturer. Right now selling too many EVs will cost you in the mid term. So selling high spec models with better margins is the correct strategy.

It's a bean counters game!

Black_Knight · 16-06-2019 09:10AM

beanian wrote: »

Price is 34k, 3k trade in = 31k

That's not a deal imo. Ok it's UK spec, but that's not worth 3k+ for what is a 2nd half (albeit 191) car.

Gumbo · 16-06-2019 09:43AM

beanian wrote: »

Price is 34k, 3k trade in = 31k

Bargain better. You’d nearly get that car for that price cash straight up!
What car are you trading in?

patmac · 16-06-2019 10:46AM

beanian wrote: »

Price is 34k, 3k trade in = 31k

You would be mad to pay this, essentially 4-5K more for ventilated leather seats and a second hand car. I wonder what a 191 standard spec Irish Ioniq is worth now 14k on the clock?

Mike9832 · 16-06-2019 11:22AM

iggy wrote: »

Was talking to a main dealer today and he said the new Ioniq will be €36k after grants.
Not sure if true

Thats sounds about right sadly

4 years on, 70km more range and €10,000 more expensive

Progress

Love it

Mike9832 · 16-06-2019 11:32AM

liamog wrote: »

It's a bean counters game!

They have to seriously look at how the grants work here

Getting rode by autogiants here

I would scrap it myself for cars over €30,000

Sliding scale like in Canada might be more acceptable

Sub €25,000 get full, sub €30,000 get 75% etc

One size fits all like we have now is crap, they are for the rich/crazy commuters

beanian · 16-06-2019 01:26PM

kceire wrote: »

Bargain better. You’d nearly get that car for that price cash straight up!
What car are you trading in?

2009 Insignia Diesel, 3-4k is in the ball park of what I'd expect to get for it.

Black_Knight wrote: »

That's not a deal imo. Ok it's UK spec, but that's not worth 3k+ for what is a 2nd half (albeit 191) car.

The paddy spec Ioniq is 33k after grants. They said that trim adds 5k to that and because its a demo model they'd knock 4k off.
I've no problem paying a premium for leather seats and additional tech, but just wanted a steer on if 34k was reasonable!
It appears not.

liamog · 16-06-2019 01:37PM

Mike9832 wrote: »

They have to seriously look at how the grants work here

Getting rode by autogiants here

I would scrap it myself for cars over €30,000

Sliding scale like in Canada might be more acceptable

Sub €25,000 get full, sub €30,000 get 75% etc

One size fits all like we have now is crap, they are for the rich/crazy commuters

Nothing to do with Irish grants, it's all about keeping sales below a bar at the EU level. Reducing the grants will just lower the available specs and keep the pricing the same.

The main issue is that the 2021 target is 95g/km but the 2025 target is a 15% reduction in whatever number you achieve in 2021. So the higher your fleet emissions in 2021 the easier the target. Their is no incentive in a manufacturer hitting 80g/km in 2021.

Gumbo · 16-06-2019 02:32PM

beanian wrote: »

2009 Insignia Diesel, 3-4k is in the ball park of what I'd expect to get for it.

The paddy spec Ioniq is 33k after grants. They said that trim adds 5k to that and because its a demo model they'd knock 4k off.
I've no problem paying a premium for leather seats and additional tech, but just wanted a steer on if 34k was reasonable!
It appears not.

Get your 3-4K privately.
Go to dealer and buy the car for 32-33 cash.
Your cost to change then is only 29-30k

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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