Anyone else able to divine for water

pedigree 6 · 17-07-2016 04:15PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

You most certainly do not. More holes in that then a colander. Rivers for one poop all over that theory

Who said anything about rivers?
Really?
I'm talking about water flowing in a non conductive tube creating a magnetic field.

runawaybishop · 17-07-2016 04:32PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who said anything about rivers?
Really?
I'm talking about water flowing in a non conductive tube creating a magnetic field.

Rivers aren't a tube now?

Please link to a peer reviewed scientific paper to back up your claims. Thanks.

gctest50 · 17-07-2016 04:36PM

be a bit like Yamato1, magnetic propulsion boat

look no propellers

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CelticRambler · 21-07-2016 09:11AM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Convenient. Too busy to hold a phone in your hand, or have one of the other 5 people do it?

Interesting that you feel 2 people had 100% success by being as far off as 1.5 Meters.

In a lane of 150m, to have a reaction at, and only at, the point where the supply and drainage channels crossed underneath, every time - that's 100% consistency. As I remarked earlier, my three novices each placed the course at the same 1.5m downhill/west of the actual location.

It was not the least bit convenient not to be able to have it on video, as I wanted to avoid provoking comments such as yours ... but I'm sure if I'd uploaded a crappy phone video you'd have found some other reason to dispute the results.

_Brian · 21-07-2016 09:51AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who said anything about rivers?
Really?
I'm talking about water flowing in a non conductive tube creating a magnetic field.

I'll just toss this in.

So your theory is that water flowing in a half inch pipe maybe a meter underground produced a magnetic field which can be interacted with on the surface with no specialised equipment.

How come then that large bore pipes with higher flows and pressures aren't making our lives a total nightmare as they would obviously produce more "stronger" magnetic fields ??

How come a hiking compass isn't affected by either the magnetic field in our body or in underground pipes that you refer to.

And then there's the problem that lads dowse with bits of twigs ?? How do these magical magnetic forces move these, I've heard it said that the twig twisting would near break your arm if the signal is strong enough - that's a lot of energy that proper science has completly missed out on.

Ya see where the holes are, a compas reacts to real magnetic forces, yet this force being produced by our bodies don't interfere with the compas which is a finely tuned instrument, yet people believe that the interaction from our body and a half inch pipe buried underground can make roughly bent pieces of wire move ??

Also, are you discounting it being possible without pipes?? So only someone finding pipes is genuinely doing this, everyone else is a scam artist ??

So for me this is still impossible until I see some credible science applied to it.

patsy_mccabe · 21-07-2016 10:01AM

On magnetic fields - I worked for a company once that used RF Welders to weld plastic together. We had a guy over to service them one day and opened a can of worms by saying to the operators that the older machines were not protected fully from magnetic radiation. So, we got in an independent guy to measure the radiation from the machines. We walked around with a device to measure what was coming from the machines. You could see the needle rising when he went near the machines, but what was even more alarming was the reading coming from mobile phones. All relative I know, but scary nonetheless.

alps · 21-07-2016 10:30AM

_Brian wrote: »

So for me this is still impossible until I see some credible science applied to it.

Science has so many things that it has yet to discover.....so much s ience of the past can be shown to be outdated or flawed ..but was fact of the time...The earth was flat and the sun moved around it and that was logical for the time...

And without needing science to understand, I can tell you for me the rods will find a water pipe 100% of the time.

runawaybishop · 21-07-2016 10:37AM

CelticRambler wrote: »

In a lane of 150m, to have a reaction at, and only at, the point where the supply and drainage channels crossed underneath, every time - that's 100% consistency. As I remarked earlier, my three novices each placed the course at the same 1.5m downhill/west of the actual location.

It was not the least bit convenient not to be able to have it on video, as I wanted to avoid provoking comments such as yours ... but I'm sure if I'd uploaded a crappy phone video you'd have found some other reason to dispute the results.

I guess we should just take your completely unverifiable word for it so? 50% of your test subject didn't find anything and 50% were 10% away, sounds like pure chance tbh.

You have a perfect opportunity to record what you found but didn't, i can only assume that is because you are exaggerating your positive results.

runawaybishop · 21-07-2016 10:40AM

alps wrote: »

Science has so many things that it has yet to discover.....so much s ience of the past can be shown to be outdated or flawed ..but was fact of the time...The earth was flat and the sun moved around it and that was logical for the time...

And without needing science to understand, I can tell you for me the rods will find a water pipe 100% of the time.

Comparing uneducated religious morons who conducted no actual scientific experiments with today's modern techniques is laughable. Ironically people who believe in dowsing have more in common with the former than the latter.

alps · 21-07-2016 10:41AM

runawaybishop wrote: »

I guess we should just take your completely unverifiable word for it so? 50% of your test subject didn't find anything and 50% were 10% away, sounds like pure chance tbh.

You have a perfect opportunity to record what you found but didn't, i can only assume that is because you are exaggerating your positive results.

No....its reads to me that they were 1.5%away...scientifically speaking

runawaybishop · 21-07-2016 11:00AM

alps wrote: »

No....its reads to me that they were 1.5%away...scientifically speaking

1% technically, not 1.5%. but given the nature of the 'experiment' the actually variance was twice that.

_Brian · 21-07-2016 11:15AM

alps wrote: »

Science has so many things that it has yet to discover.....so much s ience of the past can be shown to be outdated or flawed ..but was fact of the time...The earth was flat and the sun moved around it and that was logical for the time...

And without needing science to understand, I can tell you for me the rods will find a water pipe 100% of the time.

See, but science completly understands magnetic radiation and how fields behave and interact with each other. We have gauss meters capable of detecting minute magnetic fields. But what dowsers claim to be happening can't be detected by science. Then there is that they claim that twigs are being controlled by magnetic forces.

For 13 years I worked in a science based industry where we used powerful magnetic fields, microwaves and rf power to alter properties of materials at the atomic level, I worked with magnetic shielding and measurements, im no scientist but as an engineer using this type of energy understand its capabilities, what people are discussing with dowsing just isn't happening. We used the science of how these energies are created and prevented to both do work, protect ourselves with shielding and detect where energy leaks were present.

If you believe in something that science has proven doesn't exist - what you have is blind faith, the same blind faith that believes some guy floating on a cloud made everything in 7 days and that the priest somehow converts bread and wine into flesh and blood every single mass. I note in the video shown in previous posts what did the double blind test with dowsers that many mentioned God when they were proven wrong - that fits right in.

pedigree 6 · 21-07-2016 11:34AM

_Brian wrote: »

I'll just toss this in.

So your theory is that water flowing in a half inch pipe maybe a meter underground produced a magnetic field which can be interacted with on the surface with no specialised equipment.

How come then that large bore pipes with higher flows and pressures aren't making our lives a total nightmare as they would obviously produce more "stronger" magnetic fields ??

How come a hiking compass isn't affected by either the magnetic field in our body or in underground pipes that you refer to.

And then there's the problem that lads dowse with bits of twigs ?? How do these magical magnetic forces move these, I've heard it said that the twig twisting would near break your arm if the signal is strong enough - that's a lot of energy that proper science has completly missed out on.

Ya see where the holes are, a compas reacts to real magnetic forces, yet this force being produced by our bodies don't interfere with the compas which is a finely tuned instrument, yet people believe that the interaction from our body and a half inch pipe buried underground can make roughly bent pieces of wire move ??

Also, are you discounting it being possible without pipes?? So only someone finding pipes is genuinely doing this, everyone else is a scam artist ??

So for me this is still impossible until I see some credible science applied to it.

I'm never looking at rods again. Ha.

Look how does anyone learn.
By experimenting and finding out and reading other people's reports and hoping people tell the truth.

I thought I had it figured out and then another poster said rods with a left
handed person went the other way.
So I crossed my hands over and instead of going in they went out. So ???

I always like trying to figure things out.
Life be boring if you didn't.

Now back to the water in the pipes.
Seemingly the smaller the plastic pipe the better. Look up electricity from water in Canada.

Then onto magnetic fields.
Don't mix up radiation, force and current with a field. You cannot block a field.You could be walking outside a building with a concrete wall and a mag field detector inside attached to an alarm would pick you up.

Should always be curious.

mythos110 · 21-07-2016 11:47AM

Well that escalated quickly!!:D

Great reading whichever side of the "divine" line you sit.

runawaybishop · 21-07-2016 11:50AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Should always be curious.

Yes and people are very curious about this. They have studied it, tested it and found it to not be observable, no more accurate than pure blind chance. Despite this you have people absolutely adamant that it works but not one of them will show even a hint of evidence. There is only one conclusion to draw from that.

_Brian · 21-07-2016 12:15PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I'm never looking at rods again. Ha.

Look how does anyone learn.
By experimenting and finding out and reading other people's reports and hoping people tell the truth.

I thought I had it figured out and then another poster said rods with a left
handed person went the other way.
So I crossed my hands over and instead of going in they went out. So ???

I always like trying to figure things out.
Life be boring if you didn't.

Now back to the water in the pipes.
Seemingly the smaller the plastic pipe the better. Look up electricity from water in Canada.

Then onto magnetic fields.
Don't mix up radiation, force and current with a field. You cannot block a field.You could be walking outside a building with a concrete wall and a mag field detector inside attached to an alarm would pick you up.

Should always be curious.

Remember reading what someone says isn't the same as a scientifically controlled double blind experiment. For something to be a fact it needs to be understood, documented and repeatable under known circumstances. Exactly all the conditions where when dowsing has been tested it fails.

_Brian · 21-07-2016 12:21PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I'm never looking at rods again. Ha.

Look how does anyone learn.
By experimenting and finding out and reading other people's reports and hoping people tell the truth.

I thought I had it figured out and then another poster said rods with a left
handed person went the other way.
So I crossed my hands over and instead of going in they went out. So ???

I always like trying to figure things out.
Life be boring if you didn't.

Now back to the water in the pipes.
Seemingly the smaller the plastic pipe the better. Look up electricity from water in Canada.

Then onto magnetic fields.
Don't mix up radiation, force and current with a field. You cannot block a field.You could be walking outside a building with a concrete wall and a mag field detector inside attached to an alarm would pick you up.

Should always be curious.

I was curious too and googled the electricity from pipes in Canada.
They are installing in-line hydroelectricity generators in the pipe network.

http://www.hydroworld.com/articles/2014/11/halifax-water-generates-power-from-a-32-kw-in-pipe-small-hydroelectric-system.html

No snake oil there.

pedigree 6 · 21-07-2016 12:35PM

_Brian wrote: »

Remember reading what someone says isn't the same as a scientifically controlled double blind experiment. For something to be a fact it needs to be understood, documented and repeatable under known circumstances. Exactly all the conditions where when dowsing has been tested it fails.

Who in their right mind would look into this?
To do so would be scientific suicide. The tests that I've seen done are buckets of water with a cover on them and go in and tell which bucket has the water in it.
A bucket of water in a tent has no magnetic field.

Other ones where people were on a first floor and had to tell where a wateripe or electric pipe were running in the ground on the ground floor.

The most exciting thing I take out of this is why does a left handed person rods go the other way. So by that they are obviously wired up inside a different way than right handed people.

Anyway i'm out of this.:P

pedigree 6 · 21-07-2016 12:39PM

_Brian wrote: »

I was curious too and googled the electricity from pipes in Canada.
They are installing in-line hydroelectricity generators in the pipe network.

http://www.hydroworld.com/articles/2014/11/halifax-water-generates-power-from-a-32-kw-in-pipe-small-hydroelectric-system.html

No snake oil there.

Here you're thinking too big.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2003/oct/21/extracting-electricity-from-water

Definitely out now.

_Brian · 21-07-2016 12:45PM

After five pages we've agreed right and left handed people are different !

People look into stuff because others claim it to be scientific fact and often charge for their services, snake oil style.

Also the other reason is that if there were a shred of science on this you can be sure it would be harnessed and commercialised.

AtomicHorror · 21-07-2016 12:56PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who in their right mind would look into this?
To do so would be scientific suicide.

Scientists investigate unpopular topics all the time. The only way to commit scientific suicide is to make a claim without backing it up, or worse, to falsify data. Supporting an unpopular claim with good new evidence isn't suicide, it's a ticket to extra grants, high impact publications and possibly awards. Everyone wants to be the revolutionary scientist, the disruptor. Incremental findings that fill in the details of previous findings, supporting the status quo- that's noble work, but unlikely to send your scientific career skywards.

So, putting motive aside for a moment, there's the awkward matter that scientists have investigated this, whatever their reasons were. They've don so lots of times. They just haven't produced any results that dowsers want to accept.

pedigree 6 · 21-07-2016 01:01PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Scientists investigate unpopular topics all the time. The only way to commit scientific suicide is to make a claim without backing it up, or worse, to falsify data. Supporting an unpopular claim with good new evidence isn't suicide, it's a ticket to extra grants, high impact publications and possibly awards. Everyone wants to be the revolutionary scientist, the disruptor. Incremental findings that fill in the details of previous findings, supporting the status quo- that's noble work, but unlikely to send your scientific career skywards.

So, putting motive aside for a moment, there's the awkward matter that scientists have investigated this, whatever their reasons were. They've don so lots of times. They just haven't produced any results that dowsers want to accept.

I'm not a dowser. But if you say is true.
I accept it.

CelticRambler · 21-07-2016 03:34PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

I guess we should just take your completely unverifiable word for it so? 50% of your test subject didn't find anything and 50% were 10% away, sounds like pure chance tbh.

You have a perfect opportunity to record what you found but didn't, i can only assume that is because you are exaggerating your positive results.

No, it's because my test subjects were here for a completely different reason which took priority over trying to demonstrate something to someone (several someones) who are determined to reject any suggestion that their cock-eyed interpretation of an insufficiently explained phenomenon might be even more ludicrous than the notion that some people can reliably find channels of electrical and water current.

runawaybishop wrote: »

I guess we should just take your completely unverifiable word for it so?

It's verifiable - why don't you come over and take part in a future test? And we'll make sure we video it.

runawaybishop · 21-07-2016 03:41PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

No, it's because my test subjects were here for a completely different reason which took priority over trying to demonstrate something to someone (several someones) who are determined to reject any suggestion that their cock-eyed interpretation of an insufficiently explained phenomenon might be even more ludicrous than the notion that some people can reliably find channels of electrical and water current.

It's verifiable - why don't you come over and take part in a future test? And we'll make sure we video it.

No offense, but i don;t believe a word you are saying.

vincenzolorenzo · 21-07-2016 04:20PM

_Brian wrote: »

I was curious too and googled the electricity from pipes in Canada.
They are installing in-line hydroelectricity generators in the pipe network.

http://www.hydroworld.com/articles/2014/11/halifax-water-generates-power-from-a-32-kw-in-pipe-small-hydroelectric-system.html

No snake oil there.

Sure how could that work? Surely the main had to be pressurised with a pump or similar to begin with and then they're just taking the energy out of the fluid? If it was sufficiently pressurised coming out of the ground then yeah there'd be something in it. What pressure is water out of a well normally?

_Brian · 21-07-2016 11:29PM

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Sure how could that work? Surely the main had to be pressurised with a pump or similar to begin with and then they're just taking the energy out of the fluid? If it was sufficiently pressurised coming out of the ground then yeah there'd be something in it. What pressure is water out of a well normally?

Dunno, just skimmed through it while waiting on a client.
Seems they vent excess water to relieve pressure on the system, this is now passed though a hydro system to recover the wasted energy as electricity.

patsy_mccabe · 14-06-2019 09:07PM

Found out today I can divine, but I only have it in my right hand. I could find the run of a water pipe in a big lawn.

Say my name · 14-06-2019 09:15PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Found out today I can divine, but I only have it in my right hand. I could find the run of a water pipe in a big lawn.

What did you use?

patsy_mccabe · 14-06-2019 09:46PM

Say my name wrote: »

What did you use?

2 welding rods, bent at 90 degs.

caff · 14-06-2019 09:47PM

Worth a read whether you belive it or not https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/02/we-look-at-the-witchcraft-behind-why-dowsers-usually-find-water/

Anyone else able to divine for water

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