Anyone else able to divine for water

pedigree 6

When we were getting a well sunk here a few years ago.
The owner of the drilling rig first dowsed/divined for the water underground using two pieces of electric fence wire.
To get the best place to drill he first found where one stream was running and then found another stream and where the two streams crossed over we drilled the well. We found water at a dept of 80ft and there is a very good flow from it.

Any way before we drilled he said to my father do you want to try and he handed the wires to him and sure enough the wires crossed in the same places in the field as the drill owner did. Then I tried it and it worked for me as well.

If you want to do it. Cut two pieces of mild electric fence wire exactly the same length. Bend it in an L shape with the bit that sticks out is longer than the bit in your hands. Hold the wires loosely (but still have contact like a hinge) in your hands so that a breath of wind would turn the rods. Face the rods straight ahead in front of you and don't think of anything and walk very slowly. Sometimes one rod will move out to the side (that just means that it's that way). But when the rods both turn in to the centre then you've found it.

So call me mad. Not bothered.:D
So can anyone else here divine or dowse for water ( or electric cables, some can do that as well)???

alps

pedigree 6 wrote: »

When we were getting a well sunk here a few years ago.
The owner of the drilling rig first dowsed/divined for the water underground using two pieces of electric fence wire.
To get the best place to drill he first found where one stream was running and then found another stream and where the two streams crossed over we drilled the well. We found water at a dept of 80ft and there is a very good flow from it.

Any way before we drilled he said to my father do you want to try and he handed the wires to him and sure enough the wires crossed in the same places in the field as the drill owner did. Then I tried it and it worked for me as well.

If you want to do it. Cut two pieces of mild electric fence wire exactly the same length. Bend it in an L shape with the bit that sticks out is longer than the bit in your hands. Hold the wires loosely (but still have contact like a hinge) in your hands so that a breath of wind would turn the rods. Face the rods straight ahead in front of you and don't think of anything and walk very slowly. Sometimes one rod will move out to the side (that just means that it's that way). But when the rods both turn in to the centre then you've found it.

So call me mad. Not bothered.:D
So can anyone else here divine or dowse for water ( or electric cables, some can do that as well)???

Exactly as you describe....I do it for buried water pipes...great little trick....don't know why it works.

MickeyShtyles

pedigree 6 wrote: »

When we were getting a well sunk here a few years ago.
The owner of the drilling rig first dowsed/divined for the water underground using two pieces of electric fence wire.
To get the best place to drill he first found where one stream was running and then found another stream and where the two streams crossed over we drilled the well. We found water at a dept of 80ft and there is a very good flow from it.

Any way before we drilled he said to my father do you want to try and he handed the wires to him and sure enough the wires crossed in the same places in the field as the drill owner did. Then I tried it and it worked for me as well.

If you want to do it. Cut two pieces of mild electric fence wire exactly the same length. Bend it in an L shape with the bit that sticks out is longer than the bit in your hands. Hold the wires loosely (but still have contact like a hinge) in your hands so that a breath of wind would turn the rods. Face the rods straight ahead in front of you and don't think of anything and walk very slowly. Sometimes one rod will move out to the side (that just means that it's that way). But when the rods both turn in to the centre then you've found it.

So call me mad. Not bothered.:D
So can anyone else here divine or dowse for water ( or electric cables, some can do that as well)???

Can do it with three eggs.....

patsy_mccabe

I have a brother that can do it . He can find water pipes and cables. He uses welding rods. Guy in here one day on a digger showed him how to do it.

alps

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Can do it with three eggs.....

Explain yhe egg trick Mickey...

MickeyShtyles

alps wrote: »

Explain yhe egg trick Mickey...

Get three fresh eggs,
Carefully put them so that two eggs are vertical and one is horizontal with the top and bottom vertical eggs holding the horizontal.
Walk around.........
If there's water, the egg will spin. The better the source, the faster it will spin.
I'll do it at the wknd and take a video.

Effects

I can do it but I use an egg laid on the first night of a full moon and a piece of dental floss.

Alucan

I used it to find water pipes a few times even though it worked and I was able to trace the pipes I don't think I would be confident enough in my skills to spend a few thousand drilling a well. The first time a guy showed me how to do it there was five of us but it only worked for two of us

Nidge Murphy

When will people realise you will find water while drilling regardless of location or these experts marking the spot. Do these experts take into account that a drilling rig don't drill straight down?
This thread is pure high stool stuff, carry on.

o1s1n

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_phenomenon

pedigree 6

Alucan wrote: »

I used it to find water pipes a few times even though it worked and I was able to trace the pipes I don't think I would be confident enough in my skills to spend a few thousand drilling a well. The first time a guy showed me how to do it there was five of us but it only worked for two of us

A neighbour can do it as well. Yea he does it to find buried water pipes and he's never wrong.

tomwaterford

Nidge Murphy wrote: »

When will people realise you will find water while drilling regardless of location or these experts marking the spot. Do these experts take into account that a drilling rig don't drill straight down?
This thread is pure high stool stuff, carry on.

This method works.....widely used to find buryed pipes/cables on small sites around here


If you have cable buried coming into your house....walk across the grass with two wires facing forward....they'll turn and cross when your over the cable/waterpipe

pedigree 6

God some people get very upset if you can't understand a thing.

This is where I got the idea for starting the thread and just to see if anyone else can do it. Sorry boards a rival forum.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/divining-or-whatever-you-call-it.127788/

Nidge Murphy

tomwaterford wrote: »

This method works.....widely used to find buryed pipes/cables on small sites around here


If you have cable buried coming into your house....walk across the grass with two wires facing forward....they'll turn and cross when your over the cable/waterpipe

I spent several hundred euro on a CAT for nothing.

tomwaterford

Nidge Murphy wrote: »

I spent several hundred euro on a CAT for nothing.

Well emm no


But it is a widely used method tbh....I'd be somewhat surprised if you were in a position to be using said equipment that you hadn't come across it and know of relative accuracy??

Only ever seen it used to locate wires/pipes never at springs etc as we've a different belief system for them and draining etc

Nidge Murphy

Should I sell the CAT tomorrow and buy two welding rods?

patsy_mccabe

You will have to buy a packet of welding rods .:)

Jb1989

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You will have to buy a packet of welding rods .

You can get the cast iron rods separately, so he could get away with jus two rods

washman3

Nidge Murphy wrote: »

Should I sell the CAT tomorrow and buy two welding rods?

Swap you a full box of welding rods (unopened) for the CAT...!!!!!!

jfh

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Get three fresh eggs,
Carefully put them so that two eggs are vertical and one is horizontal with the top and bottom vertical eggs holding the horizontal.
Walk around.........
If there's water, the egg will spin. The better the source, the faster it will spin.
I'll do it at the wknd and take a video.

was out in africa years ago, a fella from tipp did the egg trick, the locals were mesmerized.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Nidge Murphy wrote: »

When will people realise you will find water while drilling regardless of location or these experts marking the spot. Do these experts take into account that a drilling rig don't drill straight down?
This thread is pure high stool stuff, carry on.

I do it to find pipes underground.

I don't believe it works.

But it does anyway:pac:

yewtree

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I do it to find pipes underground.

I don't believe it works.

But it does anyway:pac:

It seems to work really well for detecting water pipes.

Sank a well here a few years ago and the lads drilling didn't think much of the practice. Also neighbour divined before sinking well and both spots divined hadn't sufficient supply.

flutered

i can do it, i use a light hazel branch shaped like a y, both the y pieces are held by the hands with both thumbs facing each other so that it almosts resemble a t junction, i have to hold the rod away from me as when it finds something it jumps up voilently, the first few times i used it i got a fair whack in the face from it

flutered

yewtree wrote: »

It seems to work really well for detecting water pipes.

Sank a well here a few years ago and the lads drilling didn't think much of the practice. Also neighbour divined before sinking well and both spots divined hadn't sufficient supply.

not every one has the knack of finding a good spring, any of the companys sinking wells go down to the water table.

flutered

funny how all the old creamerys were built alongside a major spring

patsy_mccabe

What I don't get is, if it works and I have seen it work, why is it not scientifically proven to work?
All it would take is, bury some water pipe under ground and let diviners find it. Very simple test to do under proper supervision.

MickeyShtyles

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What I don't get is, if it works and I have seen it work, why is it not scientifically proven to work?
All it would take is, bury some water pipe under ground and let diviners find it. Very simple test to do under proper supervision.

No idea, the three methods I know of is, eggs, hazel Y stick amd steel wire.

mikeymouse

what I find fascinating is : when the drillers divine for water , they seem
to find the best spot is just inside a gate with hardcore and plenty room to
maneuver their rig. (call me an old skeptic)

ganmo

mikeymouse wrote: »

what I find fascinating is : when the drillers divine for water , they seem
to find the best spot is just inside a gate with hardcore and plenty room to
maneuver their rig. (call me an old skeptic)

I'm a young skeptic with a plan to drill a well in a bit ouf ground where I hope to build a house in future. at the moment the water for the sheep is coming from a stream that dries up during (normal) summer dry patches but if you follow it up stream there'd be a flow.

for practical reasons(gravity flow) i'd like the well drilled at the top of the ground but i'd be a bitch to get a rig there!

oneten

jfh wrote: »

was out in africa years ago, a fella from tipp did the egg trick, the locals were mesmerized.

Christ he was lucky not to be tied to a pole and burned for witchcraft !!!

pedigree 6

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What I don't get is, if it works and I have seen it work, why is it not scientifically proven to work?
All it would take is, bury some water pipe under ground and let diviners find it. Very simple test to do under proper supervision.

It must be down to electro magnetism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field

You take why does it work with metal rods/ wire. It must be to do with the conductivity of metal. The same could be said for hazel rods (in that the water in the hazel rod conducts charge/electricity).

You take when divining with wire. There must be a slight electrical/magnetic pull on the wire maybe making one negative charge and the other positive charge to make them pull in together. Then to make the two wires to repel one another the two of them must have the same charge positive or negative.

It might also explain how it can find electric cables. Not sure if the cables have to be live to find them but the metal in itself would give a magnetic draw anyway.

Then with finding water pipes. Water is a good conducter of charge/electricity.
But it might give off more charge when running hitting the sides of the pipe and building up more charge.

Then with some people able to do and others not. There is a difference in bodies in people.
My uncle can grab any electric fence and join it together again without turning it off and it has no effect on him. He just says he'd barely feel the current in the fence. He was out in nz and a farmer was showing him a great new fencer he had that was doing 700 acres. He grabbed the fence and jokingly said to the farmer are you sure it's on. Your man couldn't get over how he could hold it and have no effect on him. Then you have myself and my father even with the fence turned on low here if we touched it we'd fall over.:pac:

Anyhow was just thinking about it when I was tidying up a few paddocks this morning. Too much time on me hands.:)

Reggie.

pedigree 6 wrote: »

When we were getting a well sunk here a few years ago.
The owner of the drilling rig first dowsed/divined for the water underground using two pieces of electric fence wire.
To get the best place to drill he first found where one stream was running and then found another stream and where the two streams crossed over we drilled the well. We found water at a dept of 80ft and there is a very good flow from it.

Any way before we drilled he said to my father do you want to try and he handed the wires to him and sure enough the wires crossed in the same places in the field as the drill owner did. Then I tried it and it worked for me as well.

If you want to do it. Cut two pieces of mild electric fence wire exactly the same length. Bend it in an L shape with the bit that sticks out is longer than the bit in your hands. Hold the wires loosely (but still have contact like a hinge) in your hands so that a breath of wind would turn the rods. Face the rods straight ahead in front of you and don't think of anything and walk very slowly. Sometimes one rod will move out to the side (that just means that it's that way). But when the rods both turn in to the centre then you've found it.

So call me mad. Not bothered.:D
So can anyone else here divine or dowse for water ( or electric cables, some can do that as well)???

Yes u can find water with the two metal rods. Now can't tell ya how deep the water is or how good the flow is as the old timers with the hazel can do but I was told by a auld local that 50% of people at least can find the water with the rods.

Oh and it works better if my hands are damp while holding the rods

onrail

mikeymouse wrote: »

what I find fascinating is : when the drillers divine for water , they seem
to find the best spot is just inside a gate with hardcore and plenty room to
maneuver their rig. (call me an old skeptic)

Bingo.

Was talking to a well drilling contractor there a couple of weeks back who reckons it's rubbish (regarding deep well drilling anyway).

In a lot of situations groundwater can be found throughout a field - it depends on the geology and hydrogeology of the area. In some areas, groundwater is purely through localised fracture flow in the rock and there's an element of chance as to whether it's found at a certain location or not.

Well drillers will know the geology of an area like the back of their hand - if its an area where groundwater flow is localised , I've a fair feeling they'll leave the bits of wire in their pocket!

Sam Kade

A neighbour who was around before my time used to be able to water divine he also reckoned there was Texas tea on his farm but never struck it lucky.

kowtow

onrail wrote: »

Bingo.

Was talking to a well drilling contractor there a couple of weeks back who reckons it's rubbish (regarding deep well drilling anyway).

In a lot of situations groundwater can be found throughout a field - it depends on the geology and hydrogeology of the area. In some areas, groundwater is purely through localised fracture flow in the rock and there's an element of chance as to whether it's found at a certain location or not.

Well drillers will know the geology of an area like the back of their hand - if its an area where groundwater flow is localised , I've a fair feeling they'll leave the bits of wire in their pocket!

I was thinking that the other day. I totally believe that divining works, I just don't understand how those clever sticks always seem to find a spot where there's not only water, but also a fair chance of getting a 20 tonne + drilling rig in and out in the minimum possible time...

patsy_mccabe

How do you explain finding the exact location of water pipes under ground?

kowtow

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

How do you explain finding the exact location of water pipes under ground?

I can't, it's definitely some kind of magic.

My digger bucket has a divining talent all of it's own... the teeth can find their way miraculously straight through any water pipe or cable duct which I have previously put in, even if they have moved 20 ft or more from the place I remember putting them.

Sam Kade

kowtow wrote: »

I was thinking that the other day. I totally believe that divining works, I just don't understand how those clever sticks always seem to find a spot where there's not only water, but also a fair chance of getting a 20 tonne + drilling rig in and out in the minimum possible time...

Why don't you try it? I did this evening after reading this thread, I knew roughly the spot where there is a water pipe and sure enough the rods crossed at that point.

onrail

Sam Kade wrote: »

Why don't you try it? I did this evening after reading this thread, I knew roughly the spot where there is a water pipe and sure enough the rods crossed at that point.

But if you didn't know beforehand where the pipe was, would the rods have moved??

From the Wikipedia article on dowsing/divining....

....dowsing could be explained in terms of sensory cues, expectancy effects and probability.[44] Skeptics and some supporters believe that dowsing apparatus has no power of its own but merely amplifies slight movements of the hands caused by a phenomenon known as the ideomotor effect: people's subconscious minds may influence their bodies without their consciously deciding to take action. This would make the dowsing rods a conduit for the diviner's subconscious knowledge or perception; but also susceptible to confirmation bias.

CelticRambler

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What I don't get is, if it works and I have seen it work, why is it not scientifically proven to work?
All it would take is, bury some water pipe under ground and let diviners find it. Very simple test to do under proper supervision.

That's what my divinig uncle said. Then he gave me the rods and told me to find the pipe.

I did.

My dad tried and my son - neither of them could get a twitch out of the rods (a couple of straightened out hangars). My dad was a bit annoyed that his brother and his son could make it work, but he couldn't.

We're all scientists of one kind or another, btw. :cool:

Sam Kade

onrail wrote: »

But if you didn't know beforehand where the pipe was, would the rods have moved??

From the Wikipedia article on dowsing/divining....

It also worked where I didn't know there was water, under ground streams I presume.

That article saying that you unconsciously move your hands to move the rods, how does the rod turn 360 degrees in places?

onrail

Sam Kade wrote: »

It also worked where I didn't know there was water, under ground streams I presume.

How do you know it worked?

Sam Kade wrote: »

That article saying that you unconsciously move your hands to move the rods, how does the rod turn 360 degrees in places?

By you unconsciously moving your hands

onrail

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What I don't get is, if it works and I have seen it work, why is it not scientifically proven to work?
All it would take is, bury some water pipe under ground and let diviners find it. Very simple test to do under proper supervision.

Further down in that Wikipedia article:

Kassel study[edit]
A 1990 double-blind study[36][37][38] was undertaken in Kassel, Germany, under the direction of the Gesellschaft zur Wissenschaftlichen Untersuchung von Parawissenschaften (Society for the Scientific Investigation of the Parasciences). James Randi offered a US$10,000 prize to any successful dowser. The three-day test of some 30 dowsers involved plastic pipes through which water flow could be controlled and directed. The pipes were buried 50 centimeters (19.7 in) under a level field, the position of each marked on the surface with a colored strip. The dowsers had to tell whether water was running through each pipe. All the dowsers signed a statement agreeing this was a fair test of their abilities and that they expected a 100 percent success rate. However, the results were no better than chance, thus no one was awarded the prize.

I've seen it 'work' in a couple of places but tending to side with the actual scientists after reading this

Reggie.

onrail wrote: »

How do you know it worked?



By you unconsciously moving your hands

Well the first time I did it was in an strangers yard with no idea of where the pipe was and then a second time not looking at the rods. Friend told me when they touched and I was right both times. By a margin of a foot or so

onrail

Reggie. wrote: »

Well the first time I did it was in an strangers yard with no idea of where the pipe was and then a second time not looking at the rods. Friend told me when they touched and I was right both times. By a margin of a foot or so

Don't know tbh - but how many times do you think it'd work if you were to go into 10 or 100 different fields. The studies even said that lads occasionally got it right, but purely by chance.

Know I'm sounding like a bit of a bollocks here - but it's very hard to believe that it works if proper scientific studies can't prove it!

_Brian

onrail wrote: »

Don't know tbh - but how many times do you think it'd work if you were to go into 10 or 100 different fields. The studies even said that lads occasionally got it right, but purely by chance.

Know I'm sounding like a bit of a bollocks here - but it's very hard to believe that it works if proper scientific studies can't prove it!

Your not alone.
No way "electromagnetism" or any "force" from water is Moving random metal rods. I've worked with electromagnets, rf, microwaves And recording equipment for same and seriously lads this isn't happening.

If there were forces capable of moving these rods from 200ft deep they would have enormous effect of every day life on the surface.

onrail

_Brian wrote: »

Your not alone.
No way "electromagnetism" or any "force" from water is Moving random metal rods. I've worked with electromagnets, rf, microwaves And recording equipment for same and seriously lads this isn't happening.

If there were forces capable of moving these rods from 200ft deep they would have enormous effect of every day life on the surface.

Cheers. Should probably add I'm a Ground/Groundwater Engineer by profession. (and part time farmer)

Sam Kade

onrail wrote: »

Don't know tbh - but how many times do you think it'd work if you were to go into 10 or 100 different fields. The studies even said that lads occasionally got it right, but purely by chance.

Know I'm sounding like a bit of a bollocks here - but it's very hard to believe that it works if proper scientific studies can't prove it!

Did you ever try it yourself?

onrail

Sam Kade wrote: »

Did you ever try it yourself?

Was just about to say - I'll be straight out on Saturday to give it a go. Will probably be eating my words come Sunday.....;)

we'llallhavetea

cant believe theres a somewhat serious discussion about this, lord lamb of jaysus!

pedigree 6

Tis witchcraft.:P

I don't know I can't really explain it. I had to try it again this evening with rods and they crossed where a water pipe is running. I tried it with welding rods and bent them in an L and they worked as well. There's no way your hands move the rods. Before you start hold the rods straight out and then move your hands side to side to see if the rods can swing easily and then let them centre straight ahead and start walking slowly and when the rods turn in you have something.
A neighbour can do it really good as well and can find waterpipes crossing the road for the council.
Ah it's only a bit of fun but there must be something behind it.

I have to see this 3 egg thing though.:)