Ionity charging network

ELM327 · 11-06-2019 12:26pm

slave1 wrote: »

They need to erect prominent warning signs that an ICE vehicle parked there are breaking the law (even on private company land?)

Problem is they are not breaking a law, as you say it is private land.
However the landowner could withdraw their consent for you to be there , should you ice the spots. Then it becomes illegal. The simple act of blocking the spot is not illegal, so you cannot erect a sign saying it is.

A small but important nuance.

Mupchease · 11-06-2019 12:35pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

What range or kWh would you get for 8 euro? I am trying to figure out costs.

Say you live in an apartment no access to a charger, the ionity chargers or similar would be the new petrol pump, couple a pops a week.

could it be worth it?

Really depends on your car. I’ve an egolf ( 32kW usable ) and say I was to top up at 20% to 80% 19.2kw on the IONITY network. At €8 that works out as just below 42c per kW.

* Edit * Going by my January to May average usage ( mostly motorway ) it’s 17.7kWh which would give a range of 181km.

A 19.2kW charge on the IONITY network would give 108.6km at 7.4c per km

That is high and I’ve learned to drive a lot more efficiently since which I can’t assume everybody would do. Last month was 4000km at an average of 15.6kWh/100km thanks to mostly 95km motorway speeds and some nicer weather.

BigAl81 · 11-06-2019 12:42pm

Probably worth pointing out the 8 euro fee is temporary, so they say.

It's likely charging per amount of electricity used, or time, or a combo of both, is coming "soon".

Black_Knight · 11-06-2019 1:37pm

jprboy wrote: »

All four spaces ICEd yesterday afternoon (Sun June 9) in Cashel.

Spaces definitely need to be painted and warning signs put up.

Tweet ionity with a pic of this. They need this feedback if they're going to do anything about it.

jusmeig · 11-06-2019 2:12pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Tweet ionity with a pic of this. They need this feedback if they're going to do anything about it.

One of the spots has a disabled sign on it, was this ICE'ed too?

jprboy · 11-06-2019 9:14pm

jusmeig wrote: »

One of the spots has a disabled sign on it, was this ICE'ed too?

Yes.

jprboy · 11-06-2019 9:15pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Tweet ionity with a pic of this. They need this feedback if they're going to do anything about it.

Sent details to them just now.

fricatus · 11-06-2019 9:21pm

jusmeig wrote: »

One of the spots has a disabled sign on it, was this ICE'ed too?

jprboy wrote: »

Yes.

On my visits there I’ve noticed that the disabled space is just used as a regular disabled space, i.e. by ICE mobility vans, and blue-badge holders. I think it’s great that an accessible charger is in place, but it kinda defeats the purpose if it’s just used as a regular disabled parking space. What if a disabled driver turns up in an EV needing to charge? They can be rightly pissed off that the accessible charger is ICEd. Maybe we need an “accessible” sign that’s distinct from the traditional “disabled” one?

unkel · 11-06-2019 9:32pm

We have to be all-inclusive lads. We also urgently need separate EV charging spaces for female lesbian disabled members of a the travelling community

Mickeroo · 11-06-2019 9:34pm

Or just make all chargers accessible in the first place like petrol pumps are....

jusmeig · 12-06-2019 6:55am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Or just make all chargers accessible in the first place like petrol pumps are....

Yes! This is not car parking. We need to discourage people from thinking it is. If the chargers we're arranged like petrol pumps, they would be less likely to be iced.

slave1 · 12-06-2019 7:47am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Or just make all chargers accessible in the first place like petrol pumps are....

I haven't seen this particular setup but is the problem with multi chargers not that you drive or reverse into them so there will be little room for a wheelchair to manoeuvre (as stopped beside car to left/right) whereas with a petrol/diesel pump you park parallel and have plenty of space to exit the vehicle and manoeuvre

ELM327 · 12-06-2019 7:51am

Like the Fastned setup?

Johnboy1951 · 12-06-2019 9:12am

I wonder what are the chances of existing petrol stations with declining revenue in the future, converting to EV charging stations?
If it happened with a good percentage of them, this big fear ICE drivers have of being caught without fuel on a journey would be eliminated. It might herald the more widespread use of smaller batteries and cheaper EVs.

Weather covered charging stations are a must in my view, and full allowances for all of our populations' needs should be built in from the beginning. That includes space, ramps, etc. for wheelchair users to be able to manoeuvre around their own vehicle as well as not have interference from other vehicles charging.

Something else that needs to be remembered ..... there is a reasonably large percentage of our driving population which do not make use of smart phones to any great extent.
So this idea of 'check with your phone' is close to meaningless to them.

I do like the looks of most Fastned charging stations.

liamog · 12-06-2019 9:41am

E.On and Clever recently launched this style of EV charging station.

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12-06-2019 9:49am

Clever thing about EON and Fastned stations (see what I did) is that they also support CHAdeMO as they are not tied to Ford and VW. They would be a great addition to the irish market also due to that weather protection they provide.

jusmeig · 12-06-2019 10:19am

Yeah this is the ticket. Have a fourcourt with a cover and side on access to the charger. Make it very apparent that its for charging. And longer cables!!! Ioniq drivers with current FCP have to reverse in, and can only use the left hand parking spot due to the cable length

Mickeroo · 12-06-2019 10:23am

jusmeig wrote: »

Yeah this is the ticket. Have a fourcourt with a cover and side on access to the charger. Make it very apparent that its for charging. And longer cables!!! Ioniq drivers with current FCP have to reverse in, and can only use the left hand parking spot due to the cable length

Sure an e-tron can barely use them and they're backed by the company that manufactures the bloody thing

Mupchease · 12-06-2019 10:26am

jusmeig wrote: »

Yeah this is the ticket. Have a fourcourt with a cover and side on access to the charger. Make it very apparent that its for charging. And longer cables!!! Ioniq drivers with current FCP have to reverse in, and can only use the left hand parking spot due to the cable length

Same craic with the eGolf

liamog · 12-06-2019 10:56am

It's ironic that the Irish branch of Ionity seems to place them front on which suits 3 Hyundai models and no other CCS cars.

unkel · 12-06-2019 11:10am

jusmeig wrote: »

Yeah this is the ticket. Have a fourcourt with a cover and side on access to the charger.

So clever. Where did they come up with this brilliant setup? Oh wait, petrol stations the world over have been like this for the guts of 100 years

Mickeroo · 17-06-2019 7:54pm

Athlone popped up on the map now:

irishgrover · 17-06-2019 8:03pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Athlone popped up on the map now

Excellent, guessing that's the new service station on the dublin side of Athlone.

17-06-2019 8:09pm

I'm just wondering what's the problem with the M9, are they planning to close it or something, ? for a major route it's the worst served, horrendous joke at this stage.

_dof_ · 17-06-2019 10:02pm

irishgrover wrote: »

Excellent, guessing that's the new service station on the dublin side of Athlone.

Doesn't seem to be. That's a few km east of Athlone. On the map, it's at the existing Kilmartins service station/Creggan Court hotel.

Shefwedfan · 18-06-2019 7:02am

_dof_ wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be. That's a few km east of Athlone. On the map, it's at the existing Kilmartins service station/Creggan Court hotel.

Would they have it at Michael Moore, VW and Audi dealer and not to far from motorway

Plenty of space to install as well

zg3409 · 18-06-2019 7:53am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

_dof_ wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be. That's a few km east of Athlone. On the map, it's at the existing Kilmartins service station/Creggan Court hotel.

Would they have it at Michael Moore, VW and Audi dealer and not to far from motorway

Plenty of space to install as well

Note the Gorey pin was miles off the final location. The ground works seem to be progressing well in Gorey, but I think it may be a while before it is ready for customers.

Zenith74 · 18-06-2019 8:02am

Wow Ionity are really going for it, they'll have more charging locations than Tesla soon, assuming they're going to keep going and build the other three they have planning permission for...

CHAdeMO on my Leaf is looking less and less like a good idea

slave1 · 18-06-2019 8:20am

_dof_ wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be. That's a few km east of Athlone. On the map, it's at the existing Kilmartins service station/Creggan Court hotel.

I agree that's what the map says but there is sweet feck all spare space at Kilmartins, makes way more sense to have it at the new service centre, hopefully have a Tesla Supercharger stop there too!!!

Black_Knight · 18-06-2019 8:25am

How do the ionity chargers stack up against the e-cars rapid chargers? I can get 50KW/h into my Ioniq from the e-cars chargers. Should I expected a faster charge from ionity (assuming only 1 of the chargers in the bank of 4 is charging at the time - I hear they slow down a bit when multiple cars are charging at the same time).

Mickeroo · 18-06-2019 8:37am

Black_Knight wrote: »

How do the ionity chargers stack up against the e-cars rapid chargers? I can get 50KW/h into my Ioniq from the e-cars chargers. Should I expected a faster charge from ionity (assuming only 1 of the chargers in the bank of 4 is charging at the time - I hear they slow down a bit when multiple cars are charging at the same time).

You should get up to 75kw as far as I know, I think that's the max the Ioniq can do if I'm not mistaken.

Have a look through Bjorn Nyland's vids on youtube for Ionity, he has one where someone was charging an Ioniq.

Silent Running · 18-06-2019 8:38am

Black_Knight wrote: »

How do the ionity chargers stack up against the e-cars rapid chargers? I can get 50KW/h into my Ioniq from the e-cars chargers. Should I expected a faster charge from ionity (assuming only 1 of the chargers in the bank of 4 is charging at the time - I hear they slow down a bit when multiple cars are charging at the same time).

Ioniq is supposed to be capable of 100kW... but don't expect it to charge at more than 70kW.

KCross · 18-06-2019 9:49am

Black_Knight wrote: »

How do the ionity chargers stack up against the e-cars rapid chargers? I can get 50KW/h into my Ioniq from the e-cars chargers. Should I expected a faster charge from ionity (assuming only 1 of the chargers in the bank of 4 is charging at the time - I hear they slow down a bit when multiple cars are charging at the same time).

Yes, is the answer.

The max you get from current eCars chargers is about 45kW.

Ionity will give your Ioniq its max of 70kW but you wont get that 70kW for the entire charge session as the Ioniq will taper back as it charges up... I think from Bjorn's tests the average over the full charge session was around 62kW.

ELM327 · 18-06-2019 9:50am

KCross wrote: »

Yes, is the answer.

The max you get from current eCars chargers is about 45kW.

Ionity will give your Ioniq its max of 70kW but you wont get that 70kW for the entire charge session as the Ioniq will taper back as it charges up... I think from Bjorn's tests the average over the full charge session was around 62kW.

Ioniq charge curve starts at about 65kW, rising to ~71kW at 77-78% SOC, at which point the tapering starts, although it is generally still drawing 18-22kW at 94% when the charge stops.

irishgrover · 18-06-2019 10:05am

Zenith74 wrote:

CHAdeMO on my Leaf is looking less and less like a good idea

I wouldn't worry too much. If pricing between the suppliers is similar it's likely that CCS drivers will avoid triple head single charging points leaving ecars primarily to leaf drivers

KCross · 18-06-2019 10:35am

ELM327 wrote: »

Ioniq charge curve starts at about 65kW, rising to ~71kW at 77-78% SOC, at which point the tapering starts, although it is generally still drawing 18-22kW at 94% when the charge stops.

I was basing it off Bjorn's test. Started at 61kW @ 12% SoC.
It was upto 80% SoC in 20mins and had tapered to 50kW.
Down to 22kW @ 85% SoC.

The average charge rate upto 80% SoC is in the low 60s. Excellent for a 28kWh battery.

ELM327 · 18-06-2019 11:15am

In fairness I was basing it on my memory of that same video (I never got to test my Ioniq on a 100kW charger).
Very fast (2.8C) for a 28kWh battery and the newer Ioniq doesnt get the same charge curve.

Petetheroadie · 18-06-2019 11:16am

Is there an overlay anywhere of the current and planned CCS chargers (including Superchargers and Ionity)?

zg3409 · 18-06-2019 12:15pm

Petetheroadie wrote: »

Is there an overlay anywhere of the current and planned CCS chargers (including Superchargers and Ionity)?

In terms of fast chargers, Tesla have some CCS (2 per site) but only charge Tesla, ESB have not indicated locations of future chargers although many sites have ducting and bollards for a second charger, ionity we have planning permissions and 3 sites on their map, easygo have 2 fast sites Monaghan and Midlands, the Midlands one has 2 chargers. Easy go have plans for a lot more fast chargers. On apps like zap Map you can filter by up and running sites, although plugshare app may be better. Most suppliers are not telling where as it may depend on where the competition set up and they may want exclusive agreements with specific sites or petrol station brands. The esb is supposed to start rolling out in September over a number of years. I expect a sudden surge followed by pay to charge.

kanuseeme · 18-06-2019 12:29pm

KCross wrote: »

I was basing it off Bjorn's test. Started at 61kW @ 12% SoC.
It was upto 80% SoC in 20mins and had tapered to 50kW.
Down to 22kW @ 85% SoC.

The average charge rate upto 80% SoC is in the low 60s. Excellent for a 28kWh battery.

Down to 22kW @ 85% SoC. if it was chademo I would suggest free that charger up for an outlander, :):rolleyes:

Sabre Man · 18-06-2019 12:41pm

zg3409 wrote: »

In terms of fast chargers, Tesla have some CCS (2 per site)

There are currently 4 CCS plugs at Birdhill and probably the same number at the other Irish supercharger sites I believe.

Black_Knight · 18-06-2019 1:36pm

Interesting to see where ionity and E-cars go with their pricing so, considering the extra ~40% power being pumped into the ioniq compared to e-Cars.

18-06-2019 1:50pm

Yes will be interesting to see if they charge more for higher power chargers.

Passed Mid July and still no sign of charger roll out form the ESB. Joke !

Mickeroo · 18-06-2019 2:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes will be interesting to see if they charge more for higher power chargers.

Passed Mid July and still no sign of charger roll out form the ESB. Joke !

Only a month or so has passed since the last time you gave about about the esb rollout not starting several months before the start date :pac:

18-06-2019 2:36pm

I'm moaning because it's over 4.5 years since they installed a new charger on a new site.

What start date 2030 ? lol

Silent Running · 18-06-2019 2:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm moaning because it's over 4.5 years since they installed a new charger on a new site.

What start date 2030 ? lol

Gorey MSA?

ELM327 · 18-06-2019 2:39pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Gorey MSA?

1 new charger lol
pathetic

Silent Running · 18-06-2019 2:52pm

ELM327 wrote: »

1 new charger lol
pathetic

That's the only one I'm aware of as it's on a route I use regularly.

If that was all they did I would agree that it's pathetic, but they have been replacing Chademo with triple headers around the country. As a CCS driver that's been a great improvement.

Why they couldn't just leave the old unit in place and install the new triple header beside it is a mystery to me.

Until they start installing multi-charger hubs, they are only tinkering with the network.

18-06-2019 3:03pm

Yeah it's a joke, perhaps the ESB don't want people buying electric cars because it could possibly highlight serious capacity issues with 100 odd cars charging at night in the same estate off the same substation etc ? they might drag their heals.

The Government should have given them a time frame.

kanuseeme · 18-06-2019 4:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah it's a joke, perhaps the ESB don't want people buying electric cars because it could possibly highlight serious capacity issues with 100 odd cars charging at night in the same estate off the same substation etc ? they might drag their heals.

The Government should have given them a time frame.

I'm no expert but I imagine there is a bigger draw on the grid, electric showers,kettles, ovens etc. during day time.

I know what you mean and it needs planning as you said.

Ionity charging network

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