007 Mafia: GoldenWolf - GAME THREAD

Dublinandy2 · 11-06-2019 02:19PM

Just one question that I believe I know but want to confirm.

it's only the wolves that have a BR? So if anyone let's slip they have a BR they must be a wolf?

fixXxer · 11-06-2019 02:20PM

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

Just one question that I believe I know but want to confirm.

it's only the wolves that have a BR? So if anyone let's slip they have a BR they must be a wolf?

RV players, in my experience, always have a backroom.

Drumpot · 11-06-2019 02:23PM

sKeith wrote: »

Get reads from the posts of two people, sharing the one slot.

sKeith wrote: »

I don't really care if you have the words, leaning villagers at the end of your post, it makes no odds to me what way you lean, but I will respond to perceived slights at my slot. My slot did not have TMI,

sKeith wrote: »

by slot, i mean the player position in the game.

baggly is not drummie, but they both have been in charge of the same player slot.

I could say role, but that gets confusing fast.

slot keeps the ambiguity about have a role or being nrv or wolf etc out of it where if you say role, it can come across as you thinking that they have a role, when your are just talking about the slot.

Dublinandy2 · 11-06-2019 02:29PM

fixxxer wrote: »

RV players, in my experience, always have a backroom.

Ok cheers

fixXxer · 11-06-2019 02:31PM

Clarabel wrote: »

Keith, why weren't you munched?

This is a very valid question. Imagine you're a wolf. First munch, you have a player with a "slip" in front of you. You don't know who anyone besides your wolf friends are. Seems reasonable to take the chance on a player that mentions their backroom out in the open. Worse case scenario, you get an NRV which you were statistically likely to hit anyway.

Yet you're still here... It's possible that that you're village and the wolves hoped we'd mislynch you so they didn't need to waste a munch, but no one has pushed the BR thing super hard.

Dublinandy2 · 11-06-2019 02:37PM

This is why i asked, unless the wolves missed it, but if they did it clears clarabel as she didn't miss it.

This worries me and could be a game changer

Clarabel · 11-06-2019 02:40PM

fixxxer wrote: »

This is a very valid question. Imagine you're a wolf. First munch, you have a player with a "slip" in front of you. You don't know who anyone besides your wolf friends are. Seems reasonable to take the chance on a player that mentions their backroom out in the open. Worse case scenario, you get an NRV which you were statistically likely to hit anyway.

Yet you're still here... It's possible that that you're village and the wolves hoped we'd mislynch you so they didn't need to waste a munch, but no one has pushed the BR thing super hard.

I think I was as likely to be munched as Vale, but I'm suspect so a good mislynch target. So it's not a shock I wasn't lynched.

Someone who admitted they had a role....seems odd they weren't taken.
sK is an excellent player though and I am getting village lean so I'm inclined to think it is a role BR but I can't explain why he wasn't munched.

Unless the wolves also thought he was a motion detector and decided as I've and a few others have mentioned they can use it to their advantage.

This out already out in the open so happy to discuss but will take village comments of this creates noise for wolves to hide in. Especially since I am not accusing Keith here.

sKeith · 11-06-2019 02:40PM

fixxxer wrote: »

This is a very valid question. Imagine you're a wolf. First munch, you have a player with a "slip" in front of you. You don't know who anyone besides your wolf friends are. Seems reasonable to take the chance on a player that mentions their backroom out in the open. Worse case scenario, you get an NRV which you were statistically likely to hit anyway.

Yet you're still here... It's possible that that you're village and the wolves hoped we'd mislynch you so they didn't need to waste a munch, but no one has pushed the BR thing super hard.

Valid question for who?

Valid question to throw into the room, if clarabel is a wolf, then they know I would be unable to answer it, if they are villager believ=ing me to be a wolf, then they were throwing that question out to stump the wolf, well, i'm not a wolf, so it was a question I could not answer, because i don't know what the wolves are thinking.

Now, fixxxer bringing it up again, saying its a valid question, it's a question that will shed doubt on me, fair enough, but why didn't they munch you fixxxer?

Clarabel · 11-06-2019 02:40PM

I mean, not a shock I wasn't munched

Bounty Hunter · 11-06-2019 02:41PM

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

This is why i asked, unless the wolves missed it, but if they did it clears clarabel as she didn't miss it.

This worries me and could be a game changer

I'm still leaning good on sk but how could the wolves have missed it ? more than one person brought it up and he then referenced them bringing it up. It's not like it was said once and not repeated until now.

Ectoplasm · 11-06-2019 02:44PM

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

I believe choc chip is more village than sully so atm have voted sully as it puts him back in the hot seat to be voted out.

I wouldn't necessarily vote for him even though i suspect but open voting helps.

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

I mean i think one or two others are more suspect

DAndy any chance of a reads list from you. You've been a bit erratic with your voting (imo) and you've mentioned that you have suspects. Any chance you could share them?

fixXxer · 11-06-2019 02:45PM

sKeith wrote: »

Valid question for who?

Valid question to throw into the room, if clarabel is a wolf, then they know I would be unable to answer it, if they are villager believ=ing me to be a wolf, then they were throwing that question out to stump the wolf, well, i'm not a wolf, so it was a question I could not answer, because i don't know what the wolves are thinking.

Now, fixxxer bringing it up again, saying its a valid question, it's a question that will shed doubt on me, fair enough, but why didn't they munch you fixxxer?

No need to munch me, I get lynched more often then not :cool:

Ectoplasm · 11-06-2019 03:09PM

At last I have a wolfy lean on someone. Sorry Drummer but it's you.

Clarabel Thinks votes stronger than FFA. Exchange with BH accusing each other. Stuff about having a gun in relation to shoot Baggly stuff. Soft early reads list. Lot of mechanics talk - wolf cover or village interest? Exchange with me on mechanics. Wary of DAndy. Interesting reaction to Trit's ISO - more village vibe here. Clears Drumbag - less village vibe here. Another who is leaning more village than not, but less so than my other village leans.
Choc Chip Seems to be having fun in opening posts. Asking questions. Letting others do the work - post 304? Acknowledges could be pocketed by SK. Posts they're caught up and there's a lot there but offers no opinions. Posted a readlist - debated waiting until post-munch, find out why. Exchange with Trit re Vale & Baggly feels strange. Chased Trit on Clarabel ISO. Still asking questions - good. Posted decent reads list with good explanations although wrong/inaccurate about what I'd said. Villagish
Drumpot (formerly Baggly) For someone who didn't seem to be around much, got a decent post count. Saying readlists/discussion are counterproductive sent up a big red flag. Felt like trying to shut down any discussion which is bad. Could just be grumpy. Posted readlist but reasons for me were very spurious and didn't engage with my 'explanation'. Suggests Vale munch related to his suspicions. I'd also suspected Vale, but didn't think it would implicate me - granted shoot thing but assumed that was a joke and it seemed Baggly did to. END OF BAGGLY. DRUMMER intro, references theme a lot. Disappeared for about an hour then - BR catchup time? Posts a list of notes pre-munch, no real conclusions and suggests someone else can form theory - filler post? Posts that wolves might think he's "trying to court some attention to blend in" - seems very strange (post 787). Explains lack of response when prodded by SK as respect for mods. Another gif suggests following thread. Wolf lean right now.

kitten_k · 11-06-2019 03:19PM

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

P10

So my decision to move away from you slightly makes you question me for my bad decisions? Hmmmmm

I had baggly, Bh, ecto, sk and Skunk as my most likely to be good.

I have sully, cheese, clarabel and drumpot as my most likely wolves with fixxxer chasing them hRd to be noticed.

The rest I have no preference for.

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

I believe choc chip is more village than sully so atm have voted sully as it puts him back in the hot seat to be voted out.

I wouldn't necessarily vote for him even though i suspect but open voting helps.

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

I mean i think one or two others are more suspect

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

Well I'm voting for you because you convinced me not to vote for sully to save choc chip.

The reason why I picked on you is your style when iso'ing that I've experienced before is 8/10, now I'll give you a generous 5/10 so far. I put that down to looking like you're trying but not really as a wolf.

Additionally you was fixated on SK which I found odd because he's probably been the most helpful and village so far and finally you get more defensive than normal.

Sorry if I'm wrong but that's my reasons for you. Apologies if you don't think they're good enough but for me they are. I still may move back onto sully if it will save choc chip tonight.

I have put in a vote on Dandy mainly based on the above:

1. Didn't like how he thought two players playing the same role could be different alignments even before Drumpot had posted!

2. His flip flopping on votes. Voting Sulli to save CC even though he thinks there are more likely wolves and then switching to Fixxxer because he called him out on it.

Drumpot · 11-06-2019 03:46PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

At last I have a wolfy lean on someone. Sorry Drummer but it's you.

Clarabel Thinks votes stronger than FFA. Exchange with BH accusing each other. Stuff about having a gun in relation to shoot Baggly stuff. Soft early reads list. Lot of mechanics talk - wolf cover or village interest? Exchange with me on mechanics. Wary of DAndy. Interesting reaction to Trit's ISO - more village vibe here. Clears Drumbag - less village vibe here. Another who is leaning more village than not, but less so than my other village leans.
Choc Chip Seems to be having fun in opening posts. Asking questions. Letting others do the work - post 304? Acknowledges could be pocketed by SK. Posts they're caught up and there's a lot there but offers no opinions. Posted a readlist - debated waiting until post-munch, find out why. Exchange with Trit re Vale & Baggly feels strange. Chased Trit on Clarabel ISO. Still asking questions - good. Posted decent reads list with good explanations although wrong/inaccurate about what I'd said. Villagish
Drumpot (formerly Baggly) For someone who didn't seem to be around much, got a decent post count. Saying readlists/discussion are counterproductive sent up a big red flag. Felt like trying to shut down any discussion which is bad. Could just be grumpy. Posted readlist but reasons for me were very spurious and didn't engage with my 'explanation'. Suggests Vale munch related to his suspicions. I'd also suspected Vale, but didn't think it would implicate me - granted shoot thing but assumed that was a joke and it seemed Baggly did to. END OF BAGGLY. DRUMMER intro, references theme a lot. Disappeared for about an hour then - BR catchup time? Posts a list of notes pre-munch, no real conclusions and suggests someone else can form theory - filler post? Posts that wolves might think he's "trying to court some attention to blend in" - seems very strange (post 787). Explains lack of response when prodded by SK as respect for mods. Another gif suggests following thread. Wolf lean right now.

This is what happens when I don’t get a day 0 fluff to get it out of the system! I still haven’t caught up. One thing I would say is that it would be much easier posting little to nothing and pretending to have little to offer. I’ve jumped in as much as one can in less then a day (I am working aswell). I dissapear a lot for work and to try and catch up a bit.

I appreciate you have also included baggly but I can’t comment on what another person posted nor can I really defend myself from any narrative that’s made including his posts. To borrow SKs words, We may share the same slot but that doesn’t really count for much Unless you can make some sort of connection between our posting. Different posters have different ways of playing the game. Maybe it’s not me it’s just my slot, seems to attract heat. Sure didn’t Vale want Baggly dead from the off! Don’t blame the player, blame the slot.

tritium · 11-06-2019 04:12PM

Whiplashy wrote: »

Should you not vote for one of them so? That’s my concern with this open voting. It’s far too easy to start a bandwagon.

Bandwagons are a good thing in the longer term
Once we don’t go with any landslides. In general the wagon evidence should help us catch wolves, as should the vote lists.

Clarabel wrote: »

My read on drum is that he's not in a backroom with other people. So not a wolf.

Choc Chip and Ecto feel village for me.

I've voted for trit based on my post yesterday, I'd be happy to change to Fixxxer.

I'm now suspect of ain't easy being cheesy. However if he had a back room I think he'd probably be getting a bit of help. That one strategy post and then nothing seems odd.

Can you explain how you’ve come to that read based on drummers very limited posting up to the point you posted this? Specifically how you concluded on so little information

Clarabel wrote: »

Last night Drum asked a few questions on the mechanics of the game, and questions that make me think if he had a BR he'd ask there and get quickly brought up to speed rather than say having to read the whole thread.

I also query why Baggly wasn't mod killed....how often are subs made Vs modkill on no shows.

This is iffy as a reason for the above btw. Drummer has 9 posts at present.
The first 3 are fluff
Of the 3 in the window you’re referencing ONE could be taken as mechanics questions and is basically a summary of a few posts basically. Based on that you’re really reaching here

Also, why would baggly be modkilled given he was active?

tritium · 11-06-2019 04:15PM

Clarabel wrote: »

Last night Drum asked a few questions on the mechanics of the game, and questions that make me think if he had a BR he'd ask there and get quickly brought up to speed rather than say having to read the whole thread.

I also query why Baggly wasn't mod killed....how often are subs made Vs modkill on no shows.

Actually scratch that, there isn’t even one post you could call mechanics, the long post was after yours. You’ve basically cleared drummer on te back of three fluff posts

Clarabel · 11-06-2019 04:20PM

kitten_k wrote: »

I have put in a vote on Dandy mainly based on the above:

1. Didn't like how he thought two players playing the same role could be different alignments even before Drumpot had posted!

2. His flip flopping on votes. Voting Sulli to save CC even though he thinks there are more likely wolves and then switching to Fixxxer because he called him out on it.

Thank you for putting in words my suspicions about Dandy.

What do you make of his fluff posts, they are what are causing me doubt. Since they seem sincere and not easily bluffed.

If I was a wolf...
I'd use these graphics to pocket people...
It doesn't seem like he's trying to pocket people?

Dublinandy2 · 11-06-2019 04:23PM

I'll do a quick run down of all the votes and everyones reasons for now so ti's in one message for people to see

Barney92 · 11-06-2019 04:27PM

tritium wrote: »

Actually scratch that, there isn’t even one post you could call mechanics, the long post was after yours. You’ve basically cleared drummer on te back of three fluff posts

To be fair there is this one that could be somewhat a mechanics question. There was a question in his first post but his second post outlined that as a joke. Even the below doesn't seem like a very serious question.

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m afraid the tea leaves gave me nothing on Baggly!

Just looking at the OP, I presume the randing part doesn’t matter and the only thing I should be mindful of is the roles? But there’s 9 roles , are they all good? I will try and catchup but was hoping maybe a kind soul would fill me in so I can speed through any OP chat!

Having said that it does seem strange to clear him thinking that he doesn't have a backroom because he asked mechanics questions. Surely that's exactly what a wolf would want to do to blend in. It'd look more shifty if they just hit the ground running surely. You didn't raise this possibility when discussing Drumpot earlier on, despite you saying you present both sides of the argument a la Cheezy's 'suspicious' post.

Clarabel · 11-06-2019 04:27PM

tritium wrote: »

Actually scratch that, there isn’t even one post you could call mechanics, the long post was after yours. You’ve basically cleared drummer on te back of three fluff posts

1. I haven't cleared him. I was putting my thoughts down , more info is better. I like ectos read on the situation which is completely different to mine. It's given me food for thought. It's better to have all opinions out for discussion.
2. You're right it was an initial feels based off the three posts. You go with what you're presented.
3. If Baggly just stopped posting he'd eventually be modkilled....it was a game question. sK an Kitten kindly helped me on this.
4. He was asking about roles

What do you think of drummer now?

Barney92 · 11-06-2019 04:31PM

In case that wasn't clear. The accusation is being pointed towards you Clarabel, not trit.

Dublinandy2 · 11-06-2019 04:38PM

Post 34

Post 33

We're allowed to talk about the votes, already ok'd by a mod earlier in the game.

PLEASE DO CORRECT ME IF I HAVE ANY OF THESE REASONS WRONG THEY ARE GAINED FROM SKIM READING TO GET THIS POST DONE QUICKLY.

This is where we stand:

Strawberry Milkshake - ectoplasm - no reason found
Clarabel - tritium - some posts not sitting well with her, sorry couldn't find ref to posts
Barney92 - clarabel - only thing I can find is that he accuses her of sitting on the fence
sullivlo - choc chip - placeholder self preservation
kitten_k - dublinandy2 - posts about drum and flip flopping on votes
Ectoplasm
Choc Chip
tritium - choc chip - Just a placeholder
fixxxer
Dublinandy2 - fixxxer - interactions with SK, doesn't seem effort in isos and defensiveness
Bounty Hunter - tritium - slightly bad vibe
Whiplashy - sullivo - Based on first post
Aint Eazy Being Cheezy - choc chip - No reason given
Drumpot
Uriel. - sullivo - said he seems like a goon
sKeith - sullivo - Based on first post

fixXxer · 11-06-2019 04:39PM

:pac:Lack of effort? That's just rude

Dublinandy2 · 11-06-2019 04:40PM

fixxxer wrote: »

:pac:Lack of effort? That's just rude

If you read my original post I said your are usually really good so below the high standard, so yes, lack of effort I guess.

Ectoplasm · 11-06-2019 04:41PM

Next few notes based on ISOs. Going to do the last few and then re-read them all as I have some alarm bells ringing about my earlier ISOs based on some of the stuff I've read since. This is the problem with ISOs - context isn't always there.

kitten_k Mostly helpful posts. Pointing out potential inconsistencies, queries Sk potential outing of roles. Clarifying this with sKeith. Put vote on Dandy for what I agree are valid reasons but not very much substance here, which worries me slightly, especially as there are 9 posters with lower post count than her

Neutral with a side of village.
Whiplashy Declares village in opening post. Asking questions re roles and 'shoot Baggly' meme. Jokes about shooting Vale & Baggly. Comments on Sks reads list agreeing with it (Uriel accuses her of pocketing SK). More discussion of roles, specifically Motion Det. Posts FFA of sorts #477, gives reasons when prompted to by BH, mixes up BH and Baggly - is this likely if Baggly is teammate? Votes Sully. Queries Andy's votes. Sees Drummer as wolfy. Definitely not on same team as Drumbag but I'm not getting strong village here either. Neutral with a potential for wolf for now.
fixxxer Some confusion about post limit on Day 0. Picks up on sKeith's BR but soft-mentions it, doesn’t address SK directly. Post 593, no peek until tonight - strange comment. ISOd vales posts and suggests it gives Baggly a slight village lean. ISOs Clarabel and says one to watch rather than one to lynch. Fixxxer also accused WL of trying to pocket SK, interesting. Asks who I'd lynch "gun to head", says they'd lynch Cheezy in response. Points out DAndy hedging bets could be wolfy. Post 766 - questiong people. Am very torn. If wolf, I think possible teammate of Baggly/Drummer. Doing some work though, so leaning village for now.
Strawbs (formerly Skunk) SKUNK: Definitely paying attention. Seems to push idea of SK as RV. Posts reads list. Leaves game. STRAWBS: Immediately votes me (wrong). Mostly stuff about reading back for now. Seems to have decided SK is good. Need more info. Skunk seemed fairly villagery but something was nagging at me. To borrow a phrase, one to watch rather than one to lynch.
tritium Mostly jokey opening posts. "I'd like to be NRV" post - because he isn't now?. Seems relaxed. Accuses Clarabel (and Choccy) but asks someone else to do ISO (Fixxxer does it), then does own. Seems committed on Clarabel wolf. Points out Dandy reading Drummer as mad but thinks wolf wouldn't be so out there. Hasn't moved vote yet. Not sure here - very focused on Clarabel with not much discussion/looking at others - could be just play style. Neutral.

Barney92 · 11-06-2019 04:42PM

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

Post 34

Post 33

We're allowed to talk about the votes, already ok'd by a mod earlier in the game.

PLEASE DO CORRECT ME IF I HAVE ANY OF THESE REASONS WRONG THEY ARE GAINED FROM SKIM READING TO GET THIS POST DONE QUICKLY.

This is where we stand:

Strawberry Milkshake - ectoplasm - no reason found
Clarabel - tritium - some posts not sitting well with her, sorry couldn't find ref to posts
Barney92 - clarabel - only thing I can find is that he accuses her of sitting on the fence
sullivlo - choc chip - placeholder self preservation
kitten_k - dublinandy2 - posts about drum and flip flopping on votes
Ectoplasm
Choc Chip
tritium - choc chip - Just a placeholder
fixxxer
Dublinandy2 - fixxxer - interactions with SK, doesn't seem effort in isos and defensiveness
Bounty Hunter - tritium - slightly bad vibe
Whiplashy - sullivo - Based on first post
Aint Eazy Being Cheezy - choc chip - No reason given
Drumpot
Uriel. - sullivo - said he seems like a goon
sKeith - sullivo - Based on first post

Thanks for this dandy but I've just given further reason for clarabel (two/three posts above this one), building on trit's work. It was clarabel's early view of drumpot contrasted with her view of cheezy.

kitten_k · 11-06-2019 04:42PM

Clarabel wrote: »

Thank you for putting in words my suspicions about Dandy.

What do you make of his fluff posts, they are what are causing me doubt. Since they seem sincere and not easily bluffed.

If I was a wolf...
I'd use these graphics to pocket people...
It doesn't seem like he's trying to pocket people?

All players will have a certain level of fluff posts. Usually Dandy's thing is his stories which don't be appearing much this game and seem to have been replaced with the graphic but I am not sure if he is pocketing with these as a lot of them were done on request, not only to get people on side with him.

fixXxer · 11-06-2019 04:42PM

Mods? Whats the punishment for going over post limit?

Just realized I've not been keeping an eye on mine at all.

Voted Sullivo just now. Was going to vote between her and Dandy and I feel more villagish from Dandy now we've interacted a bit.

Ectoplasm · 11-06-2019 04:42PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

DAndy any chance of a reads list from you. You've been a bit erratic with your voting (imo) and you've mentioned that you have suspects. Any chance you could share them?

DAndy, rather than looking at what others have done/posted, is there any chance you could put forward your own suspicions? I've actually asked you a couple of times now and it'd be great if you could clarify for me. Please.