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How Do You Solve a Problem Like Ruhama?

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  • #32
    Game of Thrones Fan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Game of Thrones Fan


    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/men-caught-in-prostitution-sting-by-undercover-gardai-enter-guilty-pleas-26799519.html
    That is just pathetic. For garda to be going out trying to chat up strangers on the street pretending to be hookers. And then they have to name them in the paper.

    It's basically a war against straight single men.


  • #33
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    I don't understand why so many posters on boards are so constant and strong in their raising of the work of ruhama.

    Where are they coming across ruhama.

    I can't recall the last time outside of Boards I read in a newspaper or online about them.

    'Ah yes prostitution, the ultimate freedom', is the vibe I get off the people who are strong in their objection to ruhama.


  • #34
    Discodog
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    Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »
    That is just pathetic. For garda to be going out trying to chat up strangers on the street pretending to be hookers. And then they have to name them in the paper.

    It's basically a war against straight single men.

    Meanwhile houses are being broken into etc & no chance of getting the Guards to respond especially as the others are targeting motorists. Much easier to catch the punter rather than the trafficking gangs


  • #35
    Discodog
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    imme wrote: »
    I don't understand why so many posters on boards are so constant and strong in their raising of the work of ruhama.

    Where are they coming across ruhama.

    I can't recall the last time outside of Boards I read in a newspaper or online about them.

    'Ah yes prostitution, the ultimate freedom', is the vibe I get off the people who are strong in their objection to ruhama.

    I listen to the radio most days & I am always hearing about them, certainly once a week.


  • #36
    Discodog
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    Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »
    None of them seem to be Irish though. They're all foreign. Sometimes you think one looks Irish, but she'll be German or something.

    Most Irish girls won't work in Ireland. They see it a a small place with the chance that someone will recognise them.


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  • #37
    Discodog
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    Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »
    But it was only made illegal about two years ago.

    I wonder are some of those hookers on the escortsireland website in cahoots with garda?

    Being a prostitute is not illegal.


  • #38
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,135 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    An Irish Escort did a Boards ask thread

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=102972654


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    bazz26 wrote: »
    zombie thread, Ted.


    Laura Lee dead also.


  • #40
    Phileas Frog
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    Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »
    That is just pathetic. For garda to be going out trying to chat up strangers on the street pretending to be hookers. And then they have to name them in the paper.

    It's basically a war against straight single men.

    You're one of those named aren't you?


  • #41
    Yamanoto
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    imme wrote: »

    I can't recall the last time outside of Boards I read in a newspaper or online about them.

    Feature consistently in the IT, Newstalk & RTE Radio 1.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_organisation=Ruhama


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  • #42
    Game of Thrones Fan
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    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    You're one of those named aren't you?
    No, I'm one of those considering treating himself to a prostitute.


  • #43
    Credit Checker Moose
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    These stings are not that elaborate at all. The cops know where the prostitutes work from. All they have to do is watch the stream of punters coming and going. They just confront the punter when leaving saying that they know what he was doing. A confession and conviction follows.

    The savvy punter will deny all and the cops won't get a conviction. Unless they have a spy camera in the room they have zero evidence.


  • #44
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    I see a lot of uproar over the jailing of 2 prostitutes.




    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sex-workers-say-kildare-brothel-arrests-prove-law-is-not-fit-for-purpose-929839.html


    However what the pc brigade forget is that it was for running a brothel they were chiefly locked up for.


    Had it been a man that was running the brothel, the same outcry would not apply


  • #45
    Discodog
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    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    I see a lot of uproar over the jailing of 2 prostitutes.




    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sex-workers-say-kildare-brothel-arrests-prove-law-is-not-fit-for-purpose-929839.html


    However what the pc brigade forget is that it was for running a brothel they were chiefly locked up for.


    Had it been a man that was running the brothel, the same outcry would not apply

    Making a brothel illegal just increases the danger for the workers. Girls would often like to team up for safety but the brothel law makes them liable for prosecution.


  • #46
    Justin Credible Darts
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Making a brothel illegal just increases the danger for the workers. Girls would often like to team up for safety but the brothel law makes them liable for prosecution.


    I have no problem with legalizing brothels.


    my point is were this a man convicted of running one, there would not be as much condemnation.
    In fact I suspect more people might even be glad he was convicted, by the same people who demand equality.


    The male is always seen as the creepy one whilst the female always portrayed as the victim


  • #47
    Discodog
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    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    I have no problem with legalizing brothels.


    my point is were this a man convicted of running one, there would not be as much condemnation.
    In fact I suspect more people might even be glad he was convicted, by the same people who demand equality.


    The male is always seen as the creepy one whilst the female always portrayed as the victim

    A man might be more open to the charge of living off immoral earnings


  • #48
    Church on Tuesday
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    Now I don't know what to think.

    Sure maybe pimps are sound.


  • #49
    Credit Checker Moose
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    The pimps are not always men. One of the most notorious pimps was a woman!


  • #50
    Rjd2
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Making a brothel illegal just increases the danger for the workers. Girls would often like to team up for safety but the brothel law makes them liable for prosecution.

    So no proof of these young foreign girls one of whom is pregnant been coerced into the work,, but they are now going to spend 6 months in jail?.

    That's a ****ing scandal tbh.


  • #51
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    These laws were and are terrible for sex workers (primarily). Secondarily, the state has no business in telling consenting adults what to do. There were already laws against trafficking and coercion. Ruhama basically wrote them and stuck them under Frances Fitzgerald's nose who promptly signed off on them because it looked vaguely 'feminist.' Not a peep from the opposition either.


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  • #52
    padd b1975
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    Credit Checker Moose wrote: »
    The pimps are not always men. One of the most notorious pimps was a woman!

    Shhh!


  • #53
    Dravokivich
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    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    I have no problem with legalizing brothels.


    my point is were this a man convicted of running one, there would not be as much condemnation.
    In fact I suspect more people might even be glad he was convicted, by the same people who demand equality.


    The male is always seen as the creepy one whilst the female always portrayed as the victim

    A brothel is defined as a premises where 2 or more sex workers are working from.


  • #54
    judeboy101
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    Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »
    What I want to know, is how did this guy actually got caught?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/man-65-convicted-of-purchasing-sex-in-landmark-prostitution-case-899086.html

    One assumes, with his pants down?


  • #55
    Yurt2
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    One assumes, with his pants down?


    Ruhama were cribbing in the media about a year after the laws were put on the books that there were no prosecutions pending for Johns. The order probably went down the chain to find someone doing the deed and get a file to the DPP to look like they were enforcing.


    To my mind, if the sex-worker was of age and not coerced into her occupation (and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise), he did nothing wrong.


  • #56
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Credit Checker Moose wrote: »
    The pimps are not always men. One of the most notorious pimps was a woman!

    Very very few pimps are men. And most male pimps have to partner up with a woman who will manage the women.


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