007 Mafia: GoldenWolf - GAME THREAD

Choc Chip · 09-06-2019 02:25PM

Dublinandy2 wrote: »

All wolves have to do to get past the first Lynch is say nothing. People are allergic.

As Pter says it is mainly just guess work so why not have a guess at a low level poster?

I'd agree with this to an extent. I hate being near the end of a game, looking over old posts and having NOTHING to base my decision on.

If we're guessing, is it better to have the lower posters gone so at least we're basing a later decision on something of substance rather than nothing at all.

I really am going out now. *step AWAY from the computer choc chip*

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:26PM

sKeith wrote:

But you do have the luxury of assuming you will be around tomorrow?

Well I'm around up to munch anyway. 9am-10am Monday is part of tomorrow, is it not?

Ectoplasm · 09-06-2019 02:26PM

Baggly wrote: »

If it helps wolves hide elsewhere and avoid scrutiny, it is.

We don't have the luxury of assuming we are going to reach d5 in this game. Each lynch is vital moreso than ever.

I haven't been online and doing my usual stuff to shake trees, and as such don't have strong reads yet. I will do from tomorrow though.

I don't think there'll be as many places to hide starting with slightly lower numbers. And if I can clear someone as village then focusing on a villager to scrutinise is certainly not helping wolves.

Clarabel · 09-06-2019 02:26PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

Based on my isos earlier. I have notes but they are at home. From what I recall Sully's one post was an odd one. Fixxxer is based on tone. Vale is a cool customer. You seem a bit too focused on mechanics.

I like process and logic. Mechanisms is my dream. If I wasn't so hungover of be doing a matrix of combinations of how we can use each role to help the village.

I really think that once we start and tunnelling and accusations start we'll forget exactly how the roles work. I've seen it in other games.

I don't understand why you think it's goony.
Also SK and BH are the same if not more, why aren't they on your list for that reason?

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:27PM

Ectoplasm wrote:

I don't think there'll be as many places to hide starting with slightly lower numbers. And if I can clear someone as village then focusing on a villager to scrutinise is certainly not helping wolves.

Clearing a villager isn't as helpful to the village as finding a wolf.

sKeith · 09-06-2019 02:28PM

Baggly wrote: »

Well I'm around up to munch anyway. 9am-10am Monday is part of tomorrow, is it not?

but 9-10am is still part of n0 which you seem so opposed to getting involved in, so, yeah, i took the tomorrow to mean day1, or post 10am.

Bounty Hunter · 09-06-2019 02:29PM

Clarabel wrote: »

Are you protecting your genie?

Hard not to get meta when discussing this but no just stating the fact that from experience not all players will be getting involved during the Day 0 soft open. As stated however I do think that people just about making the 5 post limit once that comes into effect will stand out and rightly need to be looked at.

Because this is a 3 day long Day 0 I understand people being so eager to start trying to catch wolves and with so little info calling out the low level posters is a logical place to start. I just don't have much of a read on them. That said I'm only starting to get used to you lot that are posting regularly... do something strange one of you please

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:29PM

Ectoplasm wrote:

I don't think there'll be as many places to hide starting with slightly lower numbers. And if I can clear someone as village then focusing on a villager to scrutinise is certainly not helping wolves.

Also you can't clear anyone in this game that way. Powers aren't there to do it and discussion ain't gonna get it done either. Vote analysis is our best tool, imo.

Ectoplasm · 09-06-2019 02:30PM

Baggly wrote: »

We really need to do some post game analysis to see how often RVs are hiding in the low posters on d0, d1, d2. I'd imagine its actually not that common.

I'm less worried about lynching a RV than I am about NOT lynching a wolf. We've a max of 3 roles and 3 mislynches before it gets real....chances of us actually managing to mislynch all 3 RVs must be small enough

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:32PM

sKeith wrote:

but 9-10am is still part of n0 which you seem so opposed to getting involved in, so, yeah, i took the tomorrow to mean day1, or post 10am.

I didn't say d1 or next phase; I said tomorrow. I don't think I could have been clearer in my choice of words.

Very adversarial this game sKeith. I'm not gonna do that because it got you unfairly killed last long game to the detriment of the village. No games or tricks this game.... I'm going off vote analysis, munch analysis, all backed up by gut.

Ectoplasm · 09-06-2019 02:33PM

Baggly wrote: »

Clearing a villager isn't as helpful to the village as finding a wolf.

And how do I find wolves? I agree that vote info is useful - very useful - but we dont have any and it usually takes a couple of votes. In the meantime I need to have some sense of who is village or not...when I say clear someone I don't mean lock clear (damn I hate that phrase now) I mean personally clear.

Clarabel · 09-06-2019 02:34PM

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Hard not to get meta when discussing this but no just stating the fact that from experience not all players will be getting involved during the Day 0 soft open. As stated however I do think that people just about making the 5 post limit once that comes into effect will stand out and rightly need to be looked at.

Because this is a 3 day long Day 0 I understand people being so eager to start trying to catch wolves and with so little info calling out the low level posters is a logical place to start. I just don't have much of a read on them. That said I'm only starting to get used to you lot that are posting regularly... do something strange one of you please

The genie appeared on cue though

Dublinandy2 · 09-06-2019 02:35PM

Baggly wrote: »

Also you can't clear anyone in this game that way. Powers aren't there to do it and discussion ain't gonna get it done either. Vote analysis is our best tool, imo.

That can’t happen until after the first Lynch though

sKeith · 09-06-2019 02:35PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

I'm less worried about lynching a RV than I am about NOT lynching a wolf. We've a max of 3 roles and 3 mislynches before it gets real....chances of us actually managing to mislynch all 3 RVs must be small enough

exactly this, and if a rv is being voted for (public voting) they can alway claim if they suspect they are lynchable that day.

Bounty Hunter · 09-06-2019 02:36PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

And how do I find wolves? I agree that vote info is useful - very useful - but we dont have any and it usually takes a couple of votes. In the meantime I need to have some sense of who is village or not...when I say clear someone I don't mean lock clear (damn I hate that phrase now) I mean personally clear.

Can I ask for later that people avoid using Lock Clear unless really that person is 100% not a wolf in any circumstances. Too much do seem to like a posters posting style etc and that makes them "lock clear" recently.

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:37PM

Ectoplasm wrote:

And how do I find wolves? I agree that vote info is useful - very useful - but we dont have any and it usually takes a couple of votes. In the meantime I need to have some sense of who is village or not...when I say clear someone I don't mean lock clear (damn I hate that phrase now) I mean personally clear.

As I said you can't find any yet. That's why this read lists on d0 thing is just silly. Yes it's an extended d0 but we have nothing to go on. Most of the thread is waffle.

LadySkunk · 09-06-2019 02:38PM

Baggly wrote: »

Clearing a villager isn't as helpful to the village as finding a wolf.

Bagpipes can I just ask about this. I always find it easier to build my village around me by clearing others and narrowing down who the wolves could be that way. I’ve never been a good wolf hunter per se in the way some of you guys are by shaking trees and noticing things in people’s post.

Surely it’s good to have a mix of people like the two above working together so some people hunt wolves and some clear villagers and together they’re an unstoppable team?

^^ Me justifying to myself that I’m not completely useless

Bounty Hunter · 09-06-2019 02:38PM

Clarabel wrote: »

The genie appeared on cue though

Who is the Genie? I assumed you meant I was giving some quiet person a reason to stay quiet until after Day 0 ends. Or am I the Genie? Not like I've not been around though

Dublinandy2 · 09-06-2019 02:38PM

Baggly wrote: »

As I said you can't find any yet. That's why this read lists on d0 thing is just silly. Yes it's an extended d0 but we have nothing to go on. Most of the thread is waffle.

Fun waffle, like chic chip with strawberry sauce and ice cream waffle.

sKeith · 09-06-2019 02:40PM

Baggly wrote: »

As I said you can't find any yet. That's why this read lists on d0 thing is just silly. Yes it's an extended d0 but we have nothing to go on. Most of the thread is waffle.

You're mostly waffle.

Ectoplasm · 09-06-2019 02:40PM

Clarabel wrote: »

I like process and logic. Mechanisms is my dream. If I wasn't so hungover of be doing a matrix of combinations of how we can use each role to help the village.

I really think that once we start and tunnelling and accusations start we'll forget exactly how the roles work. I've seen it in other games.

I don't understand why you think it's goony.
Also SK and BH are the same if not more, why aren't they on your list for that reason?

SK has largely been responding to posts about them rather than bringing it up.

As to why I think it's wolfy is the same reason I've given...spending time on thread discussing what way a village role might play out is the ideal cover for a wolf. They can make lots of suggestions and keep the discussion focused on that rather than on who is a wolf. Lets say I have a role...any questions I have about that role can be answered by the mods. Now lets say Im a villager without a role, what does it matter to me what someone else decides to do with it?
The best way I can help RVs is to focus on who I think is a wolf and make a case for it.

TheValeyard · 09-06-2019 02:41PM

Ectoplasm wrote: »

To clarify as original didn't include what I was replying to

Sully,
You,
Fixxer
Baggly
Vale

Top suspects at the moment in that order but liable to change.

Awww. But I like you.

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:41PM

TheSkunk wrote:

Surely itâ€™s good to have a mix of people like the two above working together so some people hunt wolves and some clear villagers and together theyâ€™re an unstoppable team?

Others can knock themselves out playing however they want. But if methods arrive at the conclusion I'm wolfy and I for a fact know 100% sure I'm not a wolf, the methods must be bollox.

If you are looking to clear people on d0 you are gonna be disappointed.

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:42PM

sKeith wrote:

You're mostly waffle.

I've been especially waffly this game so far because it's d0 and the main topic of discussion for a good while was shooting me for no apparent reason.

But yes, can't really disagree with you there.

sKeith · 09-06-2019 02:44PM

TheSkunk wrote: »

Bagpipes can I just ask about this. I always find it easier to build my village around me by clearing others and narrowing down who the wolves could be that way. I’ve never been a good wolf hunter per se in the way some of you guys are by shaking trees and noticing things in people’s post.

Surely it’s good to have a mix of people like the two above working together so some people hunt wolves and some clear villagers and together they’re an unstoppable team?

^^ Me justifying to myself that I’m not completely useless

building village is best way to wolf hunt.

you just need to be wary of being pocketed by a wolf and letting a wolf into your village. But that same wolf won't usually pocket everybody, so look at other peoples villages too and if there is someone in your village that is in nobodies elses, ask yourself how they got in there and review it.

those outside your village are your main suspects.

Baggly · 09-06-2019 02:44PM

Bounty Hunter wrote:

Can I ask for later that people avoid using Lock Clear unless really that person is 100% not a wolf in any circumstances. Too much do seem to like a posters posting style etc and that makes them "lock clear" recently.

This idea is lock clear imo.

Ectoplasm · 09-06-2019 02:48PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Awww. But I like you.

Awwww. I like you too

Unless you're a hairy wolf

Clarabel · 09-06-2019 02:49PM

sKeith wrote: »

You're mostly waffle.

He's mostly genie to be fair

LadySkunk · 09-06-2019 02:50PM

Baggly wrote: »

Others can knock themselves out playing however they want. But if methods arrive at the conclusion I'm wolfy and I for a fact know 100% sure I'm not a wolf, the methods must be bollox.

If you are looking to clear people on d0 you are gonna be disappointed.

I don’t think anyone has blatantly said anyone is a wolf or lock clear. It is Day0 and as I said reads won’t be strong and of course they’re going to change just as people’s suspicions on others will change also. I do think it’s a good talking point though and it’s good to gauge people’s reactions to them.

On you being shot, I have read that from the start as a joke related to popcorn? With it being Day0 somebody has to be suspicious that’s just how it goes but it’s how people react to that that really matters.

There has been a lot of waffle but I think there has been some useful posts the last couple of days too.

sKeith · 09-06-2019 02:51PM

Clarabel wrote: »

He's mostly genie to be fair

Its funny poking him, he acts all like a hedgehog being poked.

007 Mafia: GoldenWolf - GAME THREAD

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