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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭blueflame


    Have to agree on tactics and game plan - every time a pass was played into the middle of the field Limerick had guys bursting a gut to break out past the receiver looking to take an off load and moving forward like a wave. We on the other hand in that position were constantly isolated and had to turn ball in hand, most of the time into hard hitting traffic, and getting hammered constantly loosing the ball in dangerous positions.

    To be honest this is not a very complicated game plan, it is based on the simple philosophy of pass and move, not giving opposition time to make contact, and is very hard to counteract. While it is a game plan based on relative simplicity, it involves extreme amounts of hard work, combined with totally commitment to unselfish running and unselfish passing. It does carry its own level of risk in that if the guy in receipt of the ball initially, does not release it to the runners or makes a mess of the off load, lads are out of position and can be opened up, (bit like an intercept in rugby) It is based on endeavour, trust and execution.

    Now the questions arise:

    - what kind of a game plan have we being working on in our training camps?
    - are our players willing to be so unselfish in their work rate and running?
    - Are they unselfish enough to repeatedly off-load or pass the ball to the guy in the better position?
    - Are they willing to sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of the team?
    - Are our management strong and brave enough to implement this type tactic.

    In fairness to McGrath when he first introduced his game plan we did something similar, breaking out at pace with quick passing and getting receivers into position. Unfortunately we were never brave enough to implement it any where near to the level of Limerick. When the opposition sussed our game plan they pushed up on us and forced us to play quicker ball and work harder. Instead of increasing our work rate and moving the ball faster, our answer was to bring back more and more numbers, and all this achieved was to bring the game totally into our half of the field with no outlet or threat to the opposition defence. If you watch Limerick they invariably kept a constant threat inside with forwards always moving into space looking for the ball, pegging our defender back and creating space in front of our full back line allowing them to go long when it suited. For me McGrath was never positive or brave enough to take his game plan to the next level and this was his biggest failing.

    Once final point and it relates to the drama on WLR this morning that we are going to push ahead with redeveloping Walsh Park - talk about sensationalism!!! If we as a county are even contemplating for one second not redeveloping Walsh Park because of these results and performances we should disband the County Board now. Walsh Park is a shining example of what needs to be done, we need to get our heads out of our A..ses and move forward, think bigger and work harder -


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Manager for the high jump after next sunday


  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭TheScoringGoal


    For me the interesting line is that they will go ahead with the development if the funding that was promised comes through. What I had heard last weekend is that some of that funding was now in doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭liogairmhordain


    Giveitfong wrote: »
    The result of last Sunday’s game against Limerick, and the manner of it, has generated an unprecedented response on this thread, made up mainly of a combination of consternation, anger, condemnation (of players, manager and the county board) and fatalism. There was nothing like the same response to the corresponding game last year which was very similar in terms of both performance and result. Waterford eventually lost by 13 points (2-26 to 1-16), but it could well have been as big as last Sunday’s 20 point margin. Limerick had the same 13-point lead at half-time (2-14 to 0-7), but eased off in the second half, giving five substitutes a run, with the game in the bag, from the 50th minute on.

    As you said, Waterford had a spate of injuries last year in the corresponding fixture. But last year came on the back of a fighting performance the previous week (when robbed by that umpire). This time around, there were no injury concerns but the preceding performance against Tipp was woeful, even allowing for the sending off. Fair enough, management might be clueless but there was no excuse for the players downing tools after 15 minutes and not executing the basics of hurling (and for the indiscipline).


    I'd noticed the lack of emphasis on last year's game as well. Even when people have been listing off the hammerings we've taken in recent years, that game has hardly been mentioned. My theory is that it hasn't lingered in people's minds to the same extent because it wasn't live on telly and there were very very few waterford people at it. Last Sunday's game was in our own backyard and live on telly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭liogairmhordain


    Giveitfong wrote: »
    Again, against Clare, Waterford struggled against a better-organised team but still showed great fighting spirit to almost snatch a win at the end. In this game, and the games against Galway, Waterford did display a willingness to fight to the end, while their strong finishes in these three games tends to contradict those who are now saying that the team lacks fitness.


    In the last 20 minutes of the Tipp game we were outscored 2-10 to 0-1.
    In the last 20 minutes of the Limerick game we were outscored 0-10 to 0-0 and didn't even have a shot at the posts after the 52nd minute.
    There was no willingness to fight to the end in these matches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭liogairmhordain


    blueflame wrote: »

    Stephen Bennett and Tommy Ryan looked dangerous when they received decent ball, but this was a major problem.
    I don't think Bennett got the ball into his hand between the 1st minute and the 66th or 67th minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Brace myself for tomorrow. Would be incredible if they beat Cork after three consecutive losses.

    Padre Pio do your thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭liogairmhordain


    Giveitfong wrote: »
    This time around, there were no injury concerns


    Philip Mahony broke his leg against Tipperary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭liogairmhordain


    bruschi wrote: »
    But more importantly, how did Waterford fare last year? 4 championship losses and relegated from the Div 1 league.
    3 championship losses and one draw.
    I don't know how many times I've heard this week that Waterford have lost every match since the new structure came in.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    3 championship losses and one draw.
    I don't know how many times I've heard this week that Waterford have lost every match since the new structure came in.

    spot on, forget that myself. Everyone saying how they havent won since the AI semi final in 17, forgot that draw last year. Either way, overall point is the same.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    3 championship losses and one draw.
    I don't know how many times I've heard this week that Waterford have lost every match since the new structure came in.

    I think the point has been driven home pretty well that we haven't won a championship game since August 2017, and our Munster record during McGrath's era was also extremely poor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    hardybuck wrote: »
    I think the point has been driven home pretty well that we haven't won a championship game since August 2017, and our Munster record during McGrath's era was also extremely poor.

    Statistics without context though should never be used as a measure to gauge anything.

    In McGraths First 4 years in charge, the record for Munster teams was:

    Tipperary: 5W 0D 2L
    Waterford: 2W 1D 4L
    Limerick: 2W 0D 4L
    Clare: 1W 0D 4L
    Cork: 6W 1D 2L

    So their record was only worse than Tipps and Corks. They were beaten by the eventual winners each year, twice in Munster finals. They were never drawn in a quarter final, if they say had drawn Clare and Limerick along with Cork and 2015 or Cork and Limerick along with Clare in 2016 when they were strong they'd likely have another couple of wins.

    The format change skews everything, they'll have more games in Munster this year and last than they had in the previous 4 years and they are struggling. And last year there were plenty of mitigating circumstances last year, you'd wonder could they potentially have beaten Cork if they knew going into it that they still could qualify.

    I'm not saying bringing McGrath back is the answer but there's a misleading picture being presented I think to defend Fanning really it seems. The reality is the hurling league and championship are now completely different competitions to what they were two years and drawing a comparison across the range of both is a bit ridiculous.

    We were within a puck of a ball of winning an all Ireland under McGrath, and while obviously that doesn't entitle him to the keys of the city and to manage Waterford whenever he feels like it...it should not be forgotten lightly, being that it was only the 4th occasion in a 135* year history that we could say the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    Does anyone have stats on scoring in recent years? Eg. Mullane used to score about 3.5 points per game or something like that over his career. (guessing what his average was as I can't remember)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    bruschi wrote: »
    It was a no win situation for Fannin.

    No wins for sure


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Rasputin11


    Does anyone have stats on scoring in recent years? Eg. Mullane used to score about 3.5 points per game or something like that over his career. (guessing what his average was as I can't remember)

    An article in The Times had him down at about 3.65 a game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Statistics without context though should never be used as a measure to gauge anything.

    In McGraths First 4 years in charge, the record for Munster teams was:

    Tipperary: 5W 0D 2L
    Waterford: 2W 1D 4L
    Limerick: 2W 0D 4L
    Clare: 1W 0D 4L
    Cork: 6W 1D 2L

    So their record was only worse than Tipps and Corks. They were beaten by the eventual winners each year, twice in Munster finals. They were never drawn in a quarter final, if they say had drawn Clare and Limerick along with Cork and 2015 or Cork and Limerick along with Clare in 2016 when they were strong they'd likely have another couple of wins.

    The format change skews everything, they'll have more games in Munster this year and last than they had in the previous 4 years and they are struggling. And last year there were plenty of mitigating circumstances last year, you'd wonder could they potentially have beaten Cork if they knew going into it that they still could qualify.

    I'm not saying bringing McGrath back is the answer but there's a misleading picture being presented I think to defend Fanning really it seems. The reality is the hurling league and championship are now completely different competitions to what they were two years and drawing a comparison across the range of both is a bit ridiculous.

    We were within a puck of a ball of winning an all Ireland under McGrath, and while obviously that doesn't entitle him to the keys of the city and to manage Waterford whenever he feels like it...it should not be forgotten lightly, being that it was only the 4th occasion in a 135* year history that we could say the same.

    To add further context, Clare won an All Ireland in the year preceding that window you've looked at, and Limerick won an All Ireland in 2018.

    In the two finals you've mentioned, Waterford were beaten by 21 points in one and five in the other. These came in the lull after Clare won an All Ireland and before Limerick won one.

    I can't believe you'd suggest bringing McGrath back. Whatever about changing manager at the end of the season, definitely don't go back - he had 5 years as manager so can't feel hard done by.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    I can’t beleive that people are still alluding to Derek McGrath as the reason the team isn’t performing. Crazy stuff. The buck stops with Fanning completely. Stop dressing it up this is an absolute shambles and he needs to go straight away. If he doesn’t resign after the weekend he needs to be removed. Otherwise There is no coming back from this **** show


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭Cornerstoner


    I have thought long and hard about going to the match on Saturday. Initially I said no way after what I witnessed on Sunday in Walsh Park. "If they are not bothered to put in the effort then why should I". I then thought more about it during the week including the performances from Prunty and Lyons in particular who both fought to the bitter end. As one poster mentioned here, Lyons looked visibly upset when coming off the pitch Sunday it meant that much to him. Those two players are the reason I'm going tomorrow evening. I know they will give it their all and I want to support that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Good few changes to the team for Sunday apparently. Billy Nolan, Darragh Lyons, Shane McNulty, Brian halloran, Peter Hogan starting from what I heard and no starts for Moran, Connors or Austin gleeson


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    hardybuck wrote: »
    To add further context, Clare won an All Ireland in the year preceding that window you've looked at, and Limerick won an All Ireland in 2018.

    In the two finals you've mentioned, Waterford were beaten by 21 points in one and five in the other. These came in the lull after Clare won an All Ireland and before Limerick won one.

    I can't believe you'd suggest bringing McGrath back. Whatever about changing manager at the end of the season, definitely don't go back - he had 5 years as manager so can't feel hard done by.

    Where did I suggest bringing him back? Just want to say I didn't deliberately exclude 2013 and 2018 to make Clare/Limericks record look worse, I was looking at McGraths tenure prior to the format change. Just to highlight the statistic of a poor record in Munster (while yes it is true of course) is skewed and not a great measure of his tenure and most pertinently not a means to exonerate the current management team.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Where did I suggest bringing him back?

    Sorry you've just tried to defend him so robustly I thought that's what you were edging towards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Where did I suggest bringing him back? Just want to say I didn't deliberately exclude 2013 and 2018 to make Clare/Limericks record look worse, I was looking at McGraths tenure prior to the format change. Just to highlight the statistic of a poor record in Munster (while yes it is true of course) is skewed and not a great measure of his tenure and most pertinently not a means to exonerate the current management team.

    You've made a further reply so I'll respond to the additional detail also.

    Waterford have a poor record in Munster for the last number of years. Two other teams also have poor records, but winning All Ireland's does definitely make up for it.

    If you're to take a step back and look at his tenure - would we way maybe a C+ or B-? One national league win, reached an All Ireland final, won 18.2% of the fixtures in the Munster Championship, but got to two finals and lost well in both?

    If we're happy enough with that return we should sign up Fanning for 5 years right now - he's bound to win 2 games in Munster between now and 2023.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Good few changes to the team for Sunday apparently. Billy Nolan, Darragh Lyons, Shane McNulty, Brian halloran, Peter Hogan starting from what I heard and no starts for Moran, Connors or Austin gleeson

    B Nolan
    D Lyons
    C prunty
    S McNulty
    C Lyons
    Tdb
    C gleeson
    J Barron
    M Kearney
    B o halloran
    Sh Bennett
    T Ryan
    St Bennett
    P Hogan
    J prendergast

    Not sure how accurate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭deise08


    I have thought long and hard about going to the match on Saturday. Initially I said no way after what I witnessed on Sunday in Walsh Park. "If they are not bothered to put in the effort then why should I". I then thought more about it during the week including the performances from Prunty and Lyons in particular who both fought to the bitter end. As one poster mentioned here, Lyons looked visibly upset when coming off the pitch Sunday it meant that much to him. Those two players are the reason I'm going tomorrow evening. I know they will give it their all and I want to support that

    A great sentiment..
    We won't be many down there, but we need to stand behind them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    hardybuck wrote: »
    To add further context, Clare won an All Ireland in the year preceding that window you've looked at, and Limerick won an All Ireland in 2018.

    In the two finals you've mentioned, Waterford were beaten by 21 points in one and five in the other. These came in the lull after Clare won an All Ireland and before Limerick won one.

    I can't believe you'd suggest bringing McGrath back. Whatever about changing manager at the end of the season, definitely don't go back - he had 5 years as manager so can't feel hard done by.

    Was he getting the best out of a limited group of players though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭blue note


    Why is everyone trying to make Derek out to have been so poor? Whatever about ignoring all the injuries in his last season (which is ridiculous to be honest), but also only focusing on his munster record? Therefore ignoring the semi finals and final. Why would you do that?

    The truth is for three seasons under Derek we were one of the top teams in the country. In 2015 we ran out of steam by the time the semi came around, but had needed that season to get back to the top table. In 2016 we threw away the semis against Kilkenny. And in 2017 we made galway take on the shots you hope to see your opponents take on and the first 10 or so of them went over. And still we only lost by a score. 2018 no team could have coped with our injuries. We actually did quite well to get a draw and come close to cork.

    For Derek's tenure the consensus seems to be that he was holding us back and now that he's gone we seem to have changed our minds that the players were ever capable of competing with the top teams and are selectively looking at his record to rewrite it as a complete failure.

    But at the end of it all, we were due a change and some fresh ideas. For that reason while I was grateful to Derek I was glad to see him go. But this year has been a disaster of a season and I would say everyone needs to take their share of responsibility, but given what I've read here I better clarify that that doesn't include last year's management. But the set up has looked poor, we've had a mix of no game plan and terrible game plans (puck outs this year have become terrible for example), and the players have played terribly whatever the system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    blue note wrote: »
    Why is everyone trying to make Derek out to have been so poor? Whatever about ignoring all the injuries in his last season (which is ridiculous to be honest), but also only focusing on his munster record? Therefore ignoring the semi finals and final. Why would you do that?

    The truth is for three seasons under Derek we were one of the top teams in the country. In 2015 we ran out of steam by the time the semi came around, but had needed that season to get back to the top table. In 2016 we threw away the semis against Kilkenny. And in 2017 we made galway take on the shots you hope to see your opponents take on and the first 10 or so of them went over. And still we only lost by a score. 2018 no team could have coped with our injuries. We actually did quite well to get a draw and come close to cork.

    For Derek's tenure the consensus seems to be that he was holding us back and now that he's gone we seem to have changed our minds that the players were ever capable of competing with the top teams and are selectively looking at his record to rewrite it as a complete failure.

    But at the end of it all, we were due a change and some fresh ideas. For that reason while I was grateful to Derek I was glad to see him go. But this year has been a disaster of a season and I would say everyone needs to take their share of responsibility, but given what I've read here I better clarify that that doesn't include last year's management. But the set up has looked poor, we've had a mix of no game plan and terrible game plans (puck outs this year have become terrible for example), and the players have played terribly whatever the system.

    The latest flare up of Derek chat was prompted by some people mentioning the poor Munster Championship record of recent years. We've had an awful record in recent years, and relied on the qualifiers to championship wins for some time now. Now those qualifiers aren't available to Waterford the seasons are suddenly very short - that's just a recent development that could become something more medium to long term.

    There are a number of people here who are very sensitive to any criticism of Derek, those who are really anti-Derek, and those who take a balanced view (or think they do).


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭blue note


    hardybuck wrote: »
    The latest flare up of Derek chat was prompted by some people mentioning the poor Munster Championship record of recent years. We've had an awful record in recent years, and relied on the qualifiers to championship wins for some time now. Now those qualifiers aren't available to Waterford the seasons are suddenly very short - that's just a recent development that could become something more medium to long term.

    There are a number of people here who are very sensitive to any criticism of Derek, those who are really anti-Derek, and those who take a balanced view (or think they do).

    With the new munster structure you get at least 4 games. That was enough to win an all Ireland for many teams up to then. It's not a short season in terms of games.

    And the qualifiers were knockout games against some weaker teams, but also against teams like kk, Cork, Dublin. I can understand ignoring 2018 when judging his record, the injuries were exceptional. But I can't understand ignoring the knockout hurling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    blue note wrote: »
    With the new munster structure you get at least 4 games. That was enough to win an all Ireland for many teams up to then. It's not a short season in terms of games.

    And the qualifiers were knockout games against some weaker teams, but also against teams like kk, Cork, Dublin. I can understand ignoring 2018 when judging his record, the injuries were exceptional. But I can't understand ignoring the knockout hurling.

    The way I look at is that we've been struggling in Munster for some time now. However we now don't have the opportunity to play teams outside Munster and build momentum en route to AI semi's and finals.

    That isn't a reflection on anyone's record - it's just a reflection on the record from 2011 onwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    hardybuck wrote: »
    The way I look at is that we've been struggling in Munster for some time now. However we now don't have the opportunity to play teams outside Munster and build momentum en route to AI semi's and finals.

    That isn't a reflection on anyone's record - it's just a reflection on the record from 2011 onwards.

    But we were in 4 Munster finals from 2011 to 2018. More than Clare or Limerick and as many as Cork. We didn't win any, but in those 8 championships only twice did the winner make the AI final which is once more than Waterford in that space of time.

    Everyone acknowledged provincial championships had lost their importance, but they've regained it with new format. I would expect the way a team planned for 2014-2017 is a lot different to now (at least those who had ambitions of winning an all Ireland).

    As you said, leaving managers records aside for a minute I just don't understand really what added significance whoever came up with that stat initially is drawing from adding 2014-2017 instead of just mentioning the fact we've failed to win in the new format.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    deise08 wrote: »
    A great sentiment..
    We won't be many down there, but we need to stand behind them.


    Yes I would urge all Waterford people to come and support their team even though I am from Cork. It gives me no pleasure to see Waterford being so poor and still think they can bounce back with at least a performance to be happy about.I still think ye have the players but its about confidence in the system/manager and guys stepping up and doing their job rather than going missing. No matter who the manager is, they should be doing that.

    Naturally though I want Cork to win but I want to see all counties playing good passionate hurling. Its the same with Offaly as I would love to see them back battling at the top. Teams battling help hurling and while we all want to win, getting a win by a point or 2 is thrilling rather than a game thats over by half time. Though in saying that the latter is easier for my stress levels!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Yes I would urge all Waterford people to come and support their team even though I am from Cork. It gives me no pleasure to see Waterford being so poor and still think they can bounce back with at least a performance to be happy about.I still think ye have the players but its about confidence in the system/manager and guys stepping up and doing their job rather than going missing. No matter who the manager is, they should be doing that.

    Naturally though I want Cork to win but I want to see all counties playing good passionate hurling. Its the same with Offaly as I would love to see them back battling at the top. Teams battling help hurling and while we all want to win, getting a win by a point or 2 is thrilling rather than a game thats over by half time. Though in saying that the latter is easier for my stress levels!!

    If you seen what i seen last sunday...you wouldnt blame.anyone for not going


    Lads sauntering around looking at each other/looking at limerick players looking for a pass and no effort to tackle them


    Theres no shame in getting beaten/even hammered...if you can hand on your heart say you tried your best




    Only for the minors are playing id be 100% not going,but know 2 young lads on panel so might go....but if they start that sauntering around throwing in towel sh1t...i could be gone at 20 mins


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    Still no official team?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Still no official team?

    Might be giving Cork a walkover


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    Cork team to play Waterford tomorrow at 7pm in Páirc Uí Chaoimh:

    1. Anthony Nash - Kanturk
    2. Sean O' Donoghue - Inniscarra
    3. Eoin Cadogan - Douglas
    4. Niall O' Leary - Castlelyons
    5. Robert Downey - Glen Rovers
    6. Mark Ellis - Millstreet
    7. Mark Coleman - Blarney
    8. Bill Cooper - Youghal
    9. Darragh Fitzgibbon - Charleville
    10. Daniel Kearney - Sarsfields
    11. Seamus Harnedy - St Itas (Captain)
    12. Luke Meade - Newcestown
    13. Alan Cadogan - Douglas
    14. Patrick Horgan - Glen Rovers
    15. Aidan Walsh - Kanturk

    Subs:
    16. Patrick Collins - Ballinhassig
    17. Conor O' Sullivan - Sarsfields
    18. Damien Cahalane - St Finbarrs
    19. Stephen McDonnell - Glen Rovers
    20. Tim O' Mahony - Newtownshandrum
    21. Christopher Joyce - Na Piarsaigh
    22. Robbie O' Flynn - Erins Own
    23. Shane Kingston - Douglas
    24. Conor Lehane - Midleton
    25. Declan Dalton - Fr O' Neills
    26. Jamie Coughlan - Newtownshandrum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Ah sur look, at least ireland got a draw tonight anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 360 ✭✭tommylad1212


    Still no official team?

    The team was posted on here already


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    Still no official team?

    The team was posted on here already

    That wasn’t officially confirmed as said by the poster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    Déise hurling banter page on Facebook pulling an April fools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭deise08


    Déise hurling banter page on Facebook pulling an April fools.

    An April fools is funny.
    That's not.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭Deisegodeo


    Team named:

    B Nolan
    S McNulty
    C Prunty
    D Lyons
    C Lyons
    T DeBurca
    C Gleeson
    J Barron
    M Kearney
    Sh Bennett
    B O'Halloran
    J Prendergast
    T Ryan
    St Bennett
    P Hogan


  • Registered Users Posts: 360 ✭✭tommylad1212


    That wasn’t officially confirmed as said by the poster.

    It's the team !


  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭blueflame


    It is notable how many posters are giving Derek plaudits looming at his record saying that the players we have are limited and that Derek over achieved with them and are saying Fanning is not up to it . Before casting such judgements on players and current management look at Derek’s first year in charge and see what he achieved in his first year ! Humiliation, relegation and an early exit . And before anyone says he took over a team in trouble look again at our league and championship performance the year before he took over - safely stayed in a very competitive first division and beaten in extra time by Kilkenny - a bit of balance and fair analysis would not go astray


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    I get the feeling that team will give it all. Great to see O’Halloran get a start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Rasputin11


    Are Waterford from 8-15 all less than 6 foot in height?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Serious statement to drop some of the senior members of the team that would be viewed as undroppable


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    blueflame wrote: »
    It is notable how many posters are giving Derek plaudits looming at his record saying that the players we have are limited and that Derek over achieved with them and are saying Fanning is not up to it . Before casting such judgements on players and current management look at Derek’s first year in charge and see what he achieved in his first year ! Humiliation, relegation and an early exit . And before anyone says he took over a team in trouble look again at our league and championship performance the year before he took over - safely stayed in a very competitive first division and beaten in extra time by Kilkenny - a bit of balance and fair analysis would not go astray

    Michael Ryan was treated badly. I thought he transitioned us from Davy’s style quite well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Serious statement to drop some of the senior members of the team that would be viewed as undroppable

    Is pauiric.mahony banned....i taught he was at least trying last.day



    Hope.they give it there all


  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭blueflame


    Dropped or refused to play - will be interested to see the bench 🀨


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  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    _blaaz wrote: »
    KevIRL wrote: »
    Serious statement to drop some of the senior members of the team that would be viewed as undroppable

    Is pauiric.mahony banned....i taught he was at least trying last.day



    Hope.they give it there all

    Yeah it was a straight red.


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