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2019 French Open

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  • #242
    EagererBeaver
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    Thiem an early break up. Complete collapse coming I expect.


  • #243
    josip
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Thiem an early break up. Complete collapse coming I expect.


    Looks like it, will serve now for the 1st set.


  • #244
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    tough conditions at RG.

    Djokovic not handling them well so far and wants play stopped!


  • #245
    EagererBeaver
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    josip wrote: »
    Looks like it, will serve now for the 1st set.

    I'd still favour Nole but this makes it very interesting alright.

    If thiem was to win, I don't think the final would be as one sided as some of their previous RG meetings.


  • #246
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    as regards people bemoaning the lack of new generation grand slam winners the fact that sportspeople in certain sports and particularly in tennis have changed their mindset and motivation on retirement age and on age-ability to compete (barring injury).

    people used say and players believed that you were pretty much finished at 30/32 in terms of winning grand slams. only Agassi to a certain extent proved that wrong before. that is obviously not the case as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have proven. Although Fed is probably finished now at GS winning level but still very competitive. this is a recent enough development.

    these guys are obviously very exceptional players also so that mindset change coupled with sports science advances (smarter training, diet etc) has produced longevity not seen before with these exceptional players and meant that it has been harder for the younger guys to mark their mark.

    the newer guys are not as exceptional as the out-going guys either so that is also a factor.


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  • #247
    josip
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    glasso wrote: »
    tough conditions at RG.

    Djokovic not handling them well so far and wants play stopped!


    Yeah, his head is gone


  • #248
    Dirkziggler
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Surely new is simply a matter of time and generations rather than success though. Will they be as good or successful as the big three? No. Or as good as Murray or Stan? Perhaps. They're definitely way more talented then Raonic, Cilic, Kyrgios etc.

    I'd have Del potro, Raonic(Fit) above them with Cilic and a prime Tsonga at their level currently.

    I feel it's a huge mental block for the nxtgens to Excell while the usual suspects are around cause maybe too much respect is shown.

    It will be great to see Andy playing doubles at Queen's hopefully he doesn't rush it.


  • #249
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    Dirkziggler wrote: »

    It will be great to see Andy playing doubles at Queen's hopefully he doesn't rush it.

    is there any serious hope of Murray getting back to the highest level - not really seeing anything approaching that hope being expressed?

    would love to see it but looks all rather like a ceremonial type return at this point - we'll see.


  • #250
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    what happened Goffin - he used to be neck-and-neck with Thiem in the rankings.

    down at 29/30 in the world now


  • #251
    Dirkziggler
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    glasso wrote: »
    what happened Goffin - he used to be neck-and-neck with Thiem in the rankings.

    down at 29/30 in the world now

    Injured his knee on clay 15 months ago hasn't gotten back there yet. Regarding Murray he's playing doubles in Queens and Wimbledon but possibly WC for Wimbledon depending on queens.


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  • #252
    EagererBeaver
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    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    I'd have Del potro, Raonic(Fit) above them with Cilic and a prime Tsonga at their level currently.

    I feel it's a huge mental block for the nxtgens to Excell while the usual suspects are around cause maybe too much respect is shown.

    It will be great to see Andy playing doubles at Queen's hopefully he doesn't rush it.

    Delpo I'd classify all on his own as an anomaly. Winning that US Open was incredible. First to beat Rafa and Roger en route to a grand slam I think? He just got absolutely cursed by long term injuries from an early age.

    The fact he's kept going and turning up and the business end of tournaments has been great but I've no doubt he could have been a multiple GS champ.


  • #253
    josip
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    Play now suspended due to rain.
    Did Djokovic wanted it suspended earlier because of wind but Thiem wouldn't agree?


  • #254
    EagererBeaver
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    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    Injured his knee on clay 15 months ago hasn't gotten back there yet. Regarding Murray he's playing doubles in Queens and Wimbledon but possibly WC for Wimbledon depending on queens.

    Think Murray would be mad to try and play singles at SW19. Back to playing doubles in six months is an incredible turnaround. Don't risk it any more.


  • #255
    Pighead
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    Ruiz Jr wrote: »
    How exactly will it be "very interesting" to see if he maintains his level on grass and hard court.

    We already know he won't from the past 7 years and from the hard court earlier this year.

    Nadal peaked in 2008-2013, he's 6 years past had best. It's unlikely he gets past the first week at Wimbledon and it,'s unlikely he wins any hard court tournaments this year. This is the same old boring story we've seen for the last 7 years. It's not interesting at all.
    A bit of a salty response but I'll let it go and address your points. You're saying he is 'past it' with regards to hard court without taking into account his injury problems since 2014. The guy has had one injury free season since then and guess what..... he won that US Open that year (2017). As Eagerer Beaverer has already pointed out he actually gave Novak a hell of a game last year at Wimbledon in the semi's. He then went on to reach the semi-finals of the US Open before he had to retire through injury.

    He has recently said that he is playing pain free for the first time in ages so as long as his body will hold out you would have to say he will be in the mix for hard court titles later on this year. When injury free the guy is a match for anybody on any court.


  • #256
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    josip wrote: »
    Play now suspended due to rain.
    Did Djokovic wanted it suspended earlier because of wind but Thiem wouldn't agree?

    not sure if it's the players choice.

    umpire basically said to Djokovic that the wind was the same as for the previous (Nadal - Fed) game and would only be stopped for wind due to "extreme wind".


  • #257
    mzungu
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    Can't get over all those empty seats.


  • #258
    lostcat
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    The wind has to be deemed 'dangerous' by the umpire to stop play, not sure what that means. Djokovic in danger here of getting lost in his own head rather than focusing on the task at hand (i.e. trying to get a read on thiems serve).

    i know its an outdoor sport, but a windy clay court is not a good look (would be easier on concrete or grass)


  • #259
    josip
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    Djokovic breaks, will serve for the set


  • #260
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    Djokovic to win from here - most likely outcome I suppose.


  • #261
    lostcat
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    glasso wrote: »
    Djokovic to win from here - most likely outcome I suppose.

    he might regret giving up that first set, even if he wins now it will be in 5 rather than 3 or 4..but as long as it finishes today neither player can have much complaint (apart from having to hire a man with a good clothes brush)


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  • #262
    josip
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    Thiem got obvious problems with dust in his eyes.


  • #263
    Dirkziggler
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Delpo I'd classify all on his own as an anomaly. Winning that US Open was incredible. First to beat Rafa and Roger en route to a grand slam I think? He just got absolutely cursed by long term injuries from an early age.

    The fact he's kept going and turning up and the business end of tournaments has been great but I've no doubt he could have been a multiple GS champ.


    I'm a big Delpo fan seen him at Delray Beach a few years ago fell in love with him as a guy, and what a talent when he has the serve on point he's dangerous as for a big man he rushes the net so good


  • #264
    Dirkziggler
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    josip wrote: »
    Thiem got obvious problems with dust in his eyes.

    He was a bad form when nole wanted it stopped at 4040 when nole had momentum on Dom's serve in second. So now leave him be


  • #265
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    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    I'm a big Delpo fan seen him at Delray Beach a few years ago fell in love with him as a guy, and what a talent when he has the serve on point he's dangerous as for a big man he rushes the net so good

    most people like him because he hasn't won enough to divide opinion and the injury narrative.

    does comes across as a very nice guy and his forehand in top form is a spectacle but it's been a long time since that has been seen.


  • #266
    Dirkziggler
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    glasso wrote: »
    most people like him because he hasn't won enough to divide opinion and the injury narrative.

    does comes across as a very nice guy and his forehand in top form is a spectacle but it's been a long time since that has been seen.

    He hit 11 BH winners across court against Goffin in Rome. Guys brilliant, and still only turned 30


  • #267
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    Dirkziggler wrote: »
    He hit 11 BH winners across court against Goffin in Rome. Guys brilliant, and still only turned 30

    I suppose I mean winning ATP Tournaments.

    He did win a big masters 1000 event but that's back in March 2018.

    Can't be always "coming back from injury".


  • #268
    Chivito550
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    Pighead wrote: »
    A bit of a salty response but I'll let it go and address your points. You're saying he is 'past it' with regards to hard court without taking into account his injury problems since 2014. The guy has had one injury free season since then and guess what..... he won that US Open that year (2017). As Eagerer Beaverer has already pointed out he actually gave Novak a hell of a game last year at Wimbledon in the semi's. He then went on to reach the semi-finals of the US Open before he had to retire through injury.

    He has recently said that he is playing pain free for the first time in ages so as long as his body will hold out you would have to say he will be in the mix for hard court titles later on this year. When injury free the guy is a match for anybody on any court.

    I must say I find it amazing that Nadal’s injury problems miraculously disappear every clay court season, only to resurface not long afterwards, and last until the end of the Sunshine double the following spring. Rinse, repeat.


  • #269
    EagererBeaver
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    I must say I find it amazing that Nadal’s injury problems miraculously disappear every clay court season, only to resurface not long afterwards, and last until the end of the Sunshine double the following spring. Rinse, repeat.

    Yeah like when he won the 2017 US or made the semi the following year...


  • #270
    Chivito550
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Yeah like when he won the 2017 US or made the semi the following year...

    Yep, and pulled out due to injury the following year.

    It's common knowledge that Nadal has never lost to anybody when healthy. He only ever loses when he is 'injured'.


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  • #271
    Pighead
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    I must say I find it amazing that Nadal’s injury problems miraculously disappear every clay court season, only to resurface not long afterwards, and last until the end of the Sunshine double the following spring. Rinse, repeat.
    Could have sworn he pulled out of French Open a few years ago.


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