Camera in the pub toilets?

corner of hells · 03-06-2019 10:47PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm the punisher is that not enough...

I retired from the electrical/ alarm industry a few years ago.

corner of hells · 03-06-2019 10:47PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I put it in so I can look back at how beautiful I am.,..

Don't need a licence for that....

Mirror?

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 10:48PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Eh, yes you can. Anyone can install it for free, you can only party a registered installer to install a CCTV security system.

If CCTV is being used to monitor a non security process, anyone can install it.

Yes. But you are still then a data controller. And if the camera isn't in the toilet for security ..what is it there for?

You have to have a reason.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 10:49PM

And also a judge could rule nah that was really there for security reasons.

Sleeper12 · 03-06-2019 10:52PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

The issue doesn't matter so much for gates. You won't have to use gates in court.

Home CCTV only comes unde gdpr if the camera is facing away from your property and catches part of the public area. Any camera only covering your own property is exempt so in most cases you won't be a data controller

punisher5112 · 03-06-2019 10:53PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Mirror?

Na, mirror is so 1800's

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 10:53PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Home CCTV only comes unde gdpr if the camera is facing away from your property and catches part of the public area. Any camera only covering your own property is exempt so in most cases you won't be a data controller

Perfectly correct.

angel eyes 2012 · 03-06-2019 10:54PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Things like dash cams can infringe privacy law. Because people with them are collecting data they become 'data controllers'. And as a data controller you have obligations and conduct etc.

Certain CCTV that is unverified by local authority may not be admissible in court. As it could be argued it has not been obtained fairly. So they are open to legal challenge.

Same with dash cam stuff.

And yes there are lots of CCTVs without authority around the country.

There are certain community schemes at one point local authorities didn't want to act as data controllers for. So they had to be re-verified by a policing committee.

I've sat in court in all jurisdictions and I've never heard that CCTV was inadmissible due to the lack of verification on the part of a local authority. Perhaps you mean in the context of a LA defending a Personal Injury action taken against that specific LA. But I've witnessed multiple civil cases and the judge nor the plaintiff never raised the question of LA verification.

punisher5112 · 03-06-2019 10:55PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes. But you are still then a data controller. And if the camera isn't in the toilet for security ..what is it there for?

You have to have a reason.

For health and safety.

Sleeper12 · 03-06-2019 10:55PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Yes. But you are still then a data controller. And if the camera isn't in the toilet for security ..what is it there for?

I would put CCTV in the pub toilet to ensure that it's cleaned properly every 15 or 30 minutes. This is to protect my clients from slipping on the floor. There is a valid reason for the CCTV yet its not for security

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:03PM

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

I've sat in court in all jurisdictions and I've never heard that CCTV was inadmissible due to the lack of verification on the part of a local authority. Perhaps you mean in the context of a LA defending a Personal Injury action taken against that specific LA. But I've witnessed multiple civil cases and the judge nor the plaintiff never raised the question of LA verification.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cctv-funding-for-local-authorities-continues-despite-inquiry-1.3525738?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fcctv-funding-for-local-authorities-continues-despite-inquiry-1.3525738

Its a bit of a mess.

I was referring to the community schemes etc.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:04PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I would put CCTV in the pub toilet to ensure that it's cleaned properly every 15 or 30 minutes. This is to protect my clients from slipping on the floor. There is a valid reason for the CCTV yet its not for security

Grand so.

Sleeper12 · 03-06-2019 11:04PM

angel eyes 2012 wrote:

I've sat in court in all jurisdictions and I've never heard that CCTV was inadmissible due to the lack of verification on the part of a local authority. Perhaps you mean in the context of a LA defending a Personal Injury action taken against that specific LA. But I've witnessed multiple civil cases and the judge nor the plaintiff never raised the question of LA verification.

It's not. It's nonsense for anyone to try to say that is the case.

What the statue books won't explain is the reason why security is heavily controlled. They want to keep criminals out of it. There have been dodgy locksmiths over the years. There is no great wish from the authorities to stop honest homeowners from installing CCTV. However if you pay to have it installed they want the installer to have police clearance. I doubt you will ever see a case thrown out because the evidence was collected by a CCTV installed by a homeowner.

I installed my own dashcam. This is CCTV. It's pointing out onto a public space. The Gardai will still be able to use video captured on this dashcam of someone breaking into the car. It won't be thrown out of court

Graham · 03-06-2019 11:05PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cctv-funding-for-local-authorities-continues-despite-inquiry-1.3525738?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fcctv-funding-for-local-authorities-continues-despite-inquiry-1.3525738

Says nothing about local authorities being toilet cam inspectors.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:06PM

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

I've sat in court in all jurisdictions and I've never heard that CCTV was inadmissible due to the lack of verification on the part of a local authority. Perhaps you mean in the context of a LA defending a Personal Injury action taken against that specific LA. But I've witnessed multiple civil cases and the judge nor the plaintiff never raised the question of LA verification.

Interestingly what do you think of this?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/cctv-images-of-illegal-dumpers-raise-privacy-concerns-1.2606906?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fcctv-images-of-illegal-dumpers-raise-privacy-concerns-1.2606906

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:09PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's not. It's nonsense for anyone to try to say that is the case.

What the statue books won't explain is the reason why security is heavily controlled. They want to keep criminals out of it. There have been dodgy locksmiths over the years. There is no great wish from the authorities to stop honest homeowners from installing CCTV. However if you pay to have it installed they want the installer to have police clearance. I doubt you will ever see a case thrown out because the evidence was collected by a CCTV installed by a homeowner.

I installed my own dashcam. This is CCTV. It's pointing out onto a public space. The Gardai will still be able to use video captured on this dashcam of someone breaking into the car. It won't be thrown out of court

Just follow the DPC guidlines for using them. Oh and make sure your insurer does too. Look at their policy.

Maybe angel eyes can better advise on this.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:13PM

Graham wrote: »

Says nothing about local authorities being toilet cam inspectors.

-_-

n97 mini · 03-06-2019 11:17PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Nope ..but you would be better off doing so.

You are the data controller and you have to be aware of legal obligations and be compliant or its illegal.

Obv you had it done by a licensed installer etc . ..

You do need a written cctv policy in place visible like ..not just saying cctc is there but a policy compliant with data protection .

You have to say why you have it the identity of the data controller ( YOU) any third parties etc. How someone can ask for access.

Please stop now. I'm talking about CCTV on private property and you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

You claim to have a law degree. Are you actually employed in the legal profession, because if you are, you come across as being in a very junior role.

Sleeper12 · 03-06-2019 11:20PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Just follow the DPC guidlines for using them. Oh and make sure your insurer does too. Look at their policy.

I don't avail of discounts for home alarm or dashcam. The small print insists that they are in good working order & turned on. If someone forgets to set the home alarm and we have a break in then insurance doesn't pay out. Sd cards in dashcam can become corrupt & should be formated every two weeks. I'd rather not claim the tint discount on offer from the insurance company

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:26PM

n97 mini wrote: »

Please stop now. I'm talking about CCTV on private property and you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

You claim to have a law degree. Are you actually employed in the legal profession, because if you are, you come across as being in a very junior role.

Yes i have the degree. Nope never practiced.

Installing it in your home still needs to be compliant with the law.

There is no need to be rude.

I think because people don't need to reg with the ICO anymore as data controllers they tend to forget they are one.

Publish a CCTV policy.

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angel eyes 2012 · 03-06-2019 11:26PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Interestingly what do you think of this?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/cctv-images-of-illegal-dumpers-raise-privacy-concerns-1.2606906?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fenvironment%2Fcctv-images-of-illegal-dumpers-raise-privacy-concerns-1.2606906

Article does not make reference to any court proceedings.

In the context of Data Protection and the GDPR, DCC would have to justify the use of images in any signage and/or privacy statement and be fully transparent. A good data protection impact assessment would highlight any DP concerns.

If DCC was to proceed with court prosecution, I would consider that the Law Enforcement Directive would apply and not the GDPR and therefore the transparency obligation on the part of the Data Controller would be restricted.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:31PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't avail of discounts for home alarm or dashcam.

Ah i see.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:35PM

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Article does not make reference to any court proceedings.

In the context of Data Protection and the GDPR, DCC would have to justify the use of images in any signage and/or privacy statement and be fully transparent. A good data protection impact assessment would highlight any DP concerns.

If DCC was to proceed with court prosecution, I would consider that the Law Enforcement Directive would apply and not the GDPR and therefore the transparency obligation on the part of the Data Controller would be restricted.

As far as i understand LED only applies when the data controller is a PA authorized by law.

It doesn't apply to private citizens or businesses?

angel eyes 2012 · 03-06-2019 11:44PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

As far as i understand LED only applies when the data controller is a PA authorized by law.

It doesn't apply to private citizens or businesses?

Depends on purpose and context......I'm switching my brain off for tonight and watching Love Island. Good Night.

n97 mini · 03-06-2019 11:45PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes i have the degree. Nope never practiced.

...

There is no need to be rude.

I'm not being rude, but there is a big difference between knowing theory and practice, and you need to understand that. In this country, a law degree is just the beginning, not the end. When you've done your FE-1's and completed your traineeship I'll take you seriously.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 11:48PM

n97 mini wrote: »

I'm not being rude, but there is a big difference between knowing theory and practice, and you need to understand that. In this country, a law degree is just the beginning, not the end. When you've done your FE-1's and completed your traineeship I'll take you seriously.

Well thank you for saying you didn't mean to be rude. It made me feel a bit better at least. So thank you.

I decided not to go further with it. Law i mean. I was doing it for the wrong reasons.

n97 mini · 03-06-2019 11:54PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well thank you for saying you didn't mean to be rude. It made me feel a bit better at least. So thank you.

I decided not to go further with it. Law i mean. I was doing it for the wrong reasons.

No worries. Maybe stop giving legal advice in the meantime, and leave it to qualified practitioners?

MrMusician18 · 04-06-2019 03:20AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Cheek. Jog on. This ah

I know a lot more than most in this thread.

And a lot less than others...

ILoveYourVibes · 04-06-2019 04:15AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

And a lot less than others...

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antodeco · 04-06-2019 07:15AM

@ILoveYourVibes, can you explain why you have contradicted yourself several times in this thread? You originally said that only a registered security person can install CCTV. You also told several people that you cannot install CCTV on your own property. Later in the thread, you then mentioned the opposite to this.

Camera in the pub toilets?

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