Camera in the pub toilets?

Pauliedragon · 03-06-2019 08:13PM #1

I was in the pub today and noticed a camera in the toilets. To give context it was above the urinal and there was a piece of wood next to it which I assume was to block it from looking at the urinal so it was facing the sinks which are opposite the urinals. Surely this is illegal no?

Phileas Frog · 03-06-2019 08:15PM

Berties_Horse wrote: »

Completely illegal.

Under what statue?

Miike · 03-06-2019 08:15PM

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Under what statue?

The statue of Liberty. She has no patience for it.

Erik Shun · 03-06-2019 08:16PM

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Under what statue?

Under the one of James Connolly in O'Connell Street....this is not what the heroes of 1916 died for !

Bikerman2019 · 03-06-2019 08:17PM

No, quite legal as long as it has a legitimate purpose. Like catching scammers.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dad-who-faked-fall-in-supermacs-faces-sentence-26014498.html

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1138562556274322

TheValeyard · 03-06-2019 08:17PM

Miike wrote: »

The statue of Liberty. She has no patience for it.

Yeah she had enough of that after Ghostbusters II.

03-06-2019 08:19PM

I know of a few pubs which have cameras in toilets for many years and one recent opened one which has them so it must be above board.

freshpopcorn · 03-06-2019 08:33PM

It would depend on where it's focused!

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-06-2019 08:38PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It would depend on where it's focused!

It'd want good focus for a lot of us.

gogo · 03-06-2019 08:39PM

Article in the paper today with Pat McDonagh, Supermac’s have camera’s in all toilets to prevent claims ... stated rather matter of fact so obviously not an issue..

_Brian · 03-06-2019 08:40PM

It’s really common and perfectly legal to record public spaces in toilets.

Pauliedragon · 03-06-2019 08:42PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It would depend on where it's focused!

Ya I'm not fussed to be honest it was focused on the sinks my days of doing lines in the jacks are well behind me I was just curious. It was focused on the sinks it seems which are oppisite the urinals. I do know when I worked in pubs in OZ it would be a big no no.

Del2005 · 03-06-2019 08:46PM

gogo wrote: »

Article in the paper today with Pat McDonagh, Supermac’s have camera’s in all toilets to prevent claims ... stated rather matter of fact so obviously not an issue..

He had the infamous video of a person throwing water on the floor to get a claim. Saved him, and obviously a lot of others, loads of money because of it.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 08:55PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I was in the pub today and noticed a camera in the toilets. To give context it was above the urinal and there was a piece of wood next to it which I assume was to block it from looking at the urinal so it was facing the sinks which are opposite the urinals. Surely this is illegal no?

The local authority undertakes role as data controller and all heightened obligations and caveats.

It has to be approved by guards and the local authority. They must act accordingly.

Things like dash cams can infringe privacy law. Because people with them are collecting data they become 'data controllers'. And as a data controller you have obligations and conduct etc.

Certain CCTV that is unverified by local authority may not be admissible in court. As it could be argued it has not been obtained fairly. So they are open to legal challenge.

Same with dash cam stuff.

And yes there are lots of CCTVs without authority around the country.

There are certain community schemes at one point local authorities didn't want to act as data controllers for. So they had to be re-verified by a policing committee.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:00PM

Also data protectors have to obtain it fairly ...give a sign saying this is a CCTV verified by yada yada ..if there is no sign even if there is a crime there is a chance it won't be admissible.

All this is data protection. Plus the data controller (local authority) has to have everything above board. Which is why loads of them don't want to act as data controllers liability.

cj maxx · 03-06-2019 09:01PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I was in the pub today and noticed a camera in the toilets. To give context it was above the urinal and there was a piece of wood next to it which I assume was to block it from looking at the urinal so it was facing the sinks which are opposite the urinals. Surely this is illegal no?

I would have thought that but cameras are everywhere

Pauliedragon · 03-06-2019 09:02PM

Christs sake I thought the one place I could scratch meself in peace was the jacks and I cant even do that now without someone looking at me. The ballsack needs adjusting sometimes and the toilet is the place to do it and now theres a camera on me. The world is mad.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:03PM

Basically you get people putting their own CCTV up and you can ...but what is the point? You can't use it.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:04PM

cjmc wrote: »

I would have thought that but cameras are everywhere

There are and its not an issue just get them verified by a local authority and installed by a registered installer.

Even getting one installed on your own property you need to use a registered installer.

You have to have a license to install these things.

Since a pub i gather would do it alone THEY would be undertaking a role as data controller ..and must be in compliance.

freshpopcorn · 03-06-2019 09:10PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Christs sake I thought the one place I could scratch meself in peace was the jacks and I cant even do that now without someone looking at me. The ballsack needs adjusting sometimes and the toilet is the place to do it and now theres a camera on me. The world is mad.

They've being cameras in pub/club/etc toilets since the mid 2000's!

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:12PM

I remember there was a watchdog in the UK i know not Ireland etc but they actually found MOST CCTV cameras are actually totally illegal. Mostly because the people didn't have a clue.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/most-cctv-cameras-are-illegal-watchdog-claims-6586943.html

Scary.

Happens here too.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/supermarket-broke-law-over-cctv-monitoring-in-canteen-1.2693437?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fsupermarket-broke-law-over-cctv-monitoring-in-canteen-1.2693437

It was CCTV in a supermarket canteen they were using it illegally. Obviously they just didn't understand.

n97 mini · 03-06-2019 09:21PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

There are and its not an issue just get them verified by a local authority and installed by a registered installer.

I have CCTV covering my property. Are you saying I have to get the County Council (or anyone else) to "verify" it?

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:22PM

n97 mini wrote: »

I have CCTV covering my property. Are you saying I have to get the County Council (or anyone else) to "verify" it?

Nope ..but you would be better off doing so.

You are the data controller and you have to be aware of legal obligations and be compliant or its illegal.

Obv you had it done by a licensed installer etc . ..

You do need a written cctv policy in place visible like ..not just saying cctc is there but a policy compliant with data protection .

You have to say why you have it the identity of the data controller ( YOU) any third parties etc. How someone can ask for access.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:25PM

Also you can't put anything from CCTV online.

In accordance with the Data Protection Acts 1988 & 2003, a data controller can only process the personal data of an individual with their consent or in a limited number of circumstances listed under Section 8 of the Data Protection Acts. Section 2 B of the Data Protection Acts impose further restrictions on the processing of 'sensitive' personal data. The commission or alleged commission of an offence is considered to be 'sensitive' personal data.

Only law enforcement can.

You would have to get permission from the people who were in the film.

Strumms · 03-06-2019 09:31PM

It’s clearly taking the piss.

Hammer89 · 03-06-2019 09:32PM

I used to think there was a painting of a giant dick on the ceiling above the urinal in my local, but it's a mirror.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-06-2019 09:33PM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s clearly taking the piss.

Toilet Humor.

Sonny noggs · 03-06-2019 09:36PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

I used to think there was a painting of a giant dick on the ceiling above the urinal in my local, but it's a mirror.

One of those magnifying ones by the sounds of it.

Sonny noggs · 03-06-2019 09:37PM

OP, leave a ‘present’ as a dirty protest.

Graham · 03-06-2019 09:37PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The local authority undertakes role as data controller and all heightened obligations and caveats.

It has to be approved by guards and the local authority. They must act

What makes you think the local authority takes on the role of data controller for CCTV in a pub toilet?

Pauliedragon · 03-06-2019 09:39PM

Sonny noggs wrote: »

OP, leave a ‘present’ as a dirty protest.

A quick dump in the sink might teach them a lesson

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