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2 frenchmen get 25 years for rape and barbarity.

  • 03-06-2019 05:14PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭


    Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

    Irish Judges treat criminals Like a joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    because the citizens dont drag the judges from the benches


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    because the citizens dont drag the judges from the benches

    This. We moan like **** but do nothing. We are frustratingly apathetic as a nation.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?




    ...best give it a bit of time till we see who we're supposed to hate. We can sharpen the pitchforks and put a bit of pitch on the torches in the meantime.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...best give it a bit of time till we see who we're supposed to hate. We can sharpen the pitchforks and put a bit of pitch on the torches in the meantime.
    That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
    Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

    i'm not saying that rape sentences aren't too lenient but this clearly was the upper end of scale.

    We do sentence violent rape to long sentences here.
    like this lad got 14years reduced to 12 1/2 on appeal.
    The headline sentence was 18 which isn't that far off what these guys got for their crime (which their crime included kidnapping).
    The judge here reduced the 18 to 14 due to the usual sh1te of foreigner being lonely in jail...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/rickshaw-driver-jailed-for-raping-woman-on-dublin-lane-has-sentence-cut-on-appeal-1.3721106

    It was reduced on appeal but that isn't the a problem with the judge.


    tl;dr

    we do long sentences here for comparable crimes and the OP is slightly mistaken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

    Today it’s great.

    A few days ago it was kangaroo courts and a rubbish system.

    People are shallow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The simple answer is because French Laws and Irish Laws are not the same. This is because France and Ireland are two separate jurisdictions, governed by two different legislatures, and are not the same country at all.
    Both of them do happen to be the European Union and are bound by certain European Laws which are overseen by the European Courts of Justice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Kivaro wrote: »
    That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
    Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?




    What pathetic agenda are you trying to shoehorn into the thread, exactly?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    It’s the same for other crimes .... if you broke into an elderly persons house in France you would get ten years in jail .... here you might get a suspended sentence ... some solicitor telling yarns about how your not too bad a person really !

    Ireland is definitely the best country in the EU to be a criminal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    If that was Ireland it would be 6 years a piece with last 2 suspended. Hold it.... Here comes the sentencing harshly doesn't work brigade!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    ... Here comes the sentencing harshly doesn't work brigade!!!
    They're already here with the pitchfork comments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    Cole 15 wrote: »
    Anyone here who feels the punishment was too severe needs to read about the injuries the victim suffered.

    I suggested 3 strike rule here and was practically laughed at. I was told the best way is to understand criminals and start good rehab programs. I must say it's working a treat here in Ireland!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Larry Murphy carried out a rape that was just as brutal and was attempting to kill his victim and he was out in 10 years, I know which justice system I'd prefer to see and it ain't our own one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Poor woman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Generally countries with 3 strike or similar already have appropriate sentencing. While they'd apply to most of those triple digit prior we see here in the news (most of who have met the general requirements of violent crimes among those 3 strikes), we should properly should start with actually proper sentencing and mandatory minimums for conviction 1 to 2 first.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Larry Murphy carried out a rape that was just as brutal and was attempting to kill his victim and he was out in 10 years, I know which justice system I'd prefer to see and it ain't our own one.


    You can get almost half your sentence off in France for good behaviour and attending courses etc. In Ireland it's 25 percent. There really isn't that much of a difference. This 25 year sentence could easily be reduced under appeal too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

    Great for the industrial prisons of America,but very unfair for tens of thousands of their inmates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    kneemos wrote: »
    The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

    Great for the industrial prisons of America,but very unfair for tens of thousands of their inmates.

    Very unfair for victims too.. Quite frankly I don't care about prisoners. 3 strike rule could be for violent - major crimes. I don't care less about anyone who commits such a crime. We need a party that's tough on this type of crime.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    Very unfair for victims too...

    In fairness some of sentences in america are ridcolus....lads getting 20 years for stealing a toaster


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    _blaaz wrote: »
    In fairness some of sentences in america are ridcolus....lads getting 20 years for stealing a toaster

    Doubt it very much. Sorry but victims are ones we should be concerned with. Violent crimes should be sentenced harshly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    Doubt it very much.


    Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose

    Not ranting just wondering who these mystery men are serving 20 years for robbing toasters? Anyway I'll vote for any party who decides its time to make our sentencing harsher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    kneemos wrote: »
    The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

    No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Varik wrote: »
    No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

    Afaik you can get life for non violent drugs offences??


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Varik wrote: »
    No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

    Not all states, California being one.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-strikes-28-10-2002/

    Yes we should have longer sentences for serious crimes here and have them applied by the judiciary, but crime like a lot of things in the U.S. is big business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭One_More_Mile


    Poor woman. Scum should be hung


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Not all states, California being one.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-strikes-28-10-2002/

    Yes we should have longer sentences for serious crimes here and have them applied by the judiciary, but crime like a lot of things in the U.S. is big business.

    The burglary prior counted for him.

    A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Varik wrote: »
    The burglary prior counted for him.

    A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.


    A violent felony can be a robbery.


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