2 frenchmen get 25 years for rape and barbarity.

JustAThought · 03-06-2019 05:14PM #1

Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

Agent Smith · 03-06-2019 05:18PM

JustAThought wrote: »

Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

Irish Judges treat criminals Like a joke

suicide_circus · 03-06-2019 05:20PM

because the citizens dont drag the judges from the benches

ChikiChiki · 03-06-2019 05:39PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

because the citizens dont drag the judges from the benches

This. We moan like **** but do nothing. We are frustratingly apathetic as a nation.

03-06-2019 06:25PM

Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

Odhinn · 03-06-2019 06:28PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

...best give it a bit of time till we see who we're supposed to hate. We can sharpen the pitchforks and put a bit of pitch on the torches in the meantime.

Kivaro · 03-06-2019 06:46PM

Odhinn wrote: »

...best give it a bit of time till we see who we're supposed to hate. We can sharpen the pitchforks and put a bit of pitch on the torches in the meantime.

That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?

paw patrol · 03-06-2019 06:50PM

JustAThought wrote: »

Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

i'm not saying that rape sentences aren't too lenient but this clearly was the upper end of scale.

We do sentence violent rape to long sentences here.
like this lad got 14years reduced to 12 1/2 on appeal.
The headline sentence was 18 which isn't that far off what these guys got for their crime (which their crime included kidnapping).
The judge here reduced the 18 to 14 due to the usual sh1te of foreigner being lonely in jail...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/rickshaw-driver-jailed-for-raping-woman-on-dublin-lane-has-sentence-cut-on-appeal-1.3721106

It was reduced on appeal but that isn't the a problem with the judge.

tl;dr

we do long sentences here for comparable crimes and the OP is slightly mistaken.

Allinall · 03-06-2019 06:55PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

Today it’s great.

A few days ago it was kangaroo courts and a rubbish system.

People are shallow.

Bannasidhe · 03-06-2019 06:56PM

The simple answer is because French Laws and Irish Laws are not the same. This is because France and Ireland are two separate jurisdictions, governed by two different legislatures, and are not the same country at all.
Both of them do happen to be the European Union and are bound by certain European Laws which are overseen by the European Courts of Justice.

Odhinn · 03-06-2019 06:56PM

Kivaro wrote: »

That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?

What pathetic agenda are you trying to shoehorn into the thread, exactly?

LuasSimon · 03-06-2019 07:09PM

It’s the same for other crimes .... if you broke into an elderly persons house in France you would get ten years in jail .... here you might get a suspended sentence ... some solicitor telling yarns about how your not too bad a person really !

Ireland is definitely the best country in the EU to be a criminal

Hal3000 · 03-06-2019 07:11PM

If that was Ireland it would be 6 years a piece with last 2 suspended. Hold it.... Here comes the sentencing harshly doesn't work brigade!!!

Kivaro · 03-06-2019 07:18PM

Hal3000 wrote: »

... Here comes the sentencing harshly doesn't work brigade!!!

They're already here with the pitchfork comments.

Hal3000 · 03-06-2019 07:28PM

Cole 15 wrote: »

Anyone here who feels the punishment was too severe needs to read about the injuries the victim suffered.

I suggested 3 strike rule here and was practically laughed at. I was told the best way is to understand criminals and start good rehab programs. I must say it's working a treat here in Ireland!

Galwayguy35 · 03-06-2019 07:32PM

Larry Murphy carried out a rape that was just as brutal and was attempting to kill his victim and he was out in 10 years, I know which justice system I'd prefer to see and it ain't our own one.

Your Face · 03-06-2019 08:02PM

Poor woman.

Varik · 03-06-2019 08:05PM

Generally countries with 3 strike or similar already have appropriate sentencing. While they'd apply to most of those triple digit prior we see here in the news (most of who have met the general requirements of violent crimes among those 3 strikes), we should properly should start with actually proper sentencing and mandatory minimums for conviction 1 to 2 first.

03-06-2019 08:09PM

Galwayguy35 wrote:

Larry Murphy carried out a rape that was just as brutal and was attempting to kill his victim and he was out in 10 years, I know which justice system I'd prefer to see and it ain't our own one.

You can get almost half your sentence off in France for good behaviour and attending courses etc. In Ireland it's 25 percent. There really isn't that much of a difference. This 25 year sentence could easily be reduced under appeal too

kneemos · 03-06-2019 08:11PM

The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

Great for the industrial prisons of America,but very unfair for tens of thousands of their inmates.

Hal3000 · 03-06-2019 08:12PM

kneemos wrote: »

The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

Great for the industrial prisons of America,but very unfair for tens of thousands of their inmates.

Very unfair for victims too.. Quite frankly I don't care about prisoners. 3 strike rule could be for violent - major crimes. I don't care less about anyone who commits such a crime. We need a party that's tough on this type of crime.

_blaaz · 03-06-2019 08:13PM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Very unfair for victims too...

In fairness some of sentences in america are ridcolus....lads getting 20 years for stealing a toaster

Hal3000 · 03-06-2019 08:20PM

_blaaz wrote: »

In fairness some of sentences in america are ridcolus....lads getting 20 years for stealing a toaster

Doubt it very much. Sorry but victims are ones we should be concerned with. Violent crimes should be sentenced harshly.

_blaaz · 03-06-2019 08:23PM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Doubt it very much.

Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose

Hal3000 · 03-06-2019 08:25PM

_blaaz wrote: »

Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose

Not ranting just wondering who these mystery men are serving 20 years for robbing toasters? Anyway I'll vote for any party who decides its time to make our sentencing harsher.

Varik · 03-06-2019 08:26PM

kneemos wrote: »

The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

_blaaz · 03-06-2019 08:30PM

Varik wrote: »

No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

Afaik you can get life for non violent drugs offences??

03-06-2019 08:34PM

Varik wrote: »

No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

Not all states, California being one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-strikes-28-10-2002/

Yes we should have longer sentences for serious crimes here and have them applied by the judiciary, but crime like a lot of things in the U.S. is big business.

One_More_Mile · 03-06-2019 08:39PM

Poor woman. Scum should be hung

Varik · 03-06-2019 08:45PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Not all states, California being one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-strikes-28-10-2002/

Yes we should have longer sentences for serious crimes here and have them applied by the judiciary, but crime like a lot of things in the U.S. is big business.

The burglary prior counted for him.

A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.

kneemos · 03-06-2019 08:46PM

Varik wrote: »

The burglary prior counted for him.

A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.

A violent felony can be a robbery.

2 frenchmen get 25 years for rape and barbarity.

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