2 frenchmen get 25 years for rape and barbarity.

JustAThought

Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

Agent Smith

JustAThought wrote: »

Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

Irish Judges treat criminals Like a joke

suicide_circus

because the citizens dont drag the judges from the benches

ChikiChiki

suicide_circus wrote: »

because the citizens dont drag the judges from the benches

This. We moan like **** but do nothing. We are frustratingly apathetic as a nation.

Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

Odhinn

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

...best give it a bit of time till we see who we're supposed to hate. We can sharpen the pitchforks and put a bit of pitch on the torches in the meantime.

Kivaro

Odhinn wrote: »

...best give it a bit of time till we see who we're supposed to hate. We can sharpen the pitchforks and put a bit of pitch on the torches in the meantime.

That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?

paw patrol

JustAThought wrote: »

Two 28 year olds who raped an Irishwoman leaving her with life changing injuries were sentenced to 25 years in jail. The judge considered their barbarity and cruelty to the victim as part of the sentence. Why if we are in the EU and gave a common court of justice and appeal can we not start applying such judgements to irish criminal scum?

i'm not saying that rape sentences aren't too lenient but this clearly was the upper end of scale.

We do sentence violent rape to long sentences here.
like this lad got 14years reduced to 12 1/2 on appeal.
The headline sentence was 18 which isn't that far off what these guys got for their crime (which their crime included kidnapping).
The judge here reduced the 18 to 14 due to the usual sh1te of foreigner being lonely in jail...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/rickshaw-driver-jailed-for-raping-woman-on-dublin-lane-has-sentence-cut-on-appeal-1.3721106

It was reduced on appeal but that isn't the a problem with the judge.


tl;dr

we do long sentences here for comparable crimes and the OP is slightly mistaken.

Allinall

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Wait, do we like the French criminal code today or do we decry it as a sham?

Today it’s great.

A few days ago it was kangaroo courts and a rubbish system.

People are shallow.

Bannasidhe

The simple answer is because French Laws and Irish Laws are not the same. This is because France and Ireland are two separate jurisdictions, governed by two different legislatures, and are not the same country at all.
Both of them do happen to be the European Union and are bound by certain European Laws which are overseen by the European Courts of Justice.

Odhinn

Kivaro wrote: »

That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?

What pathetic agenda are you trying to shoehorn into the thread, exactly?

LuasSimon

It’s the same for other crimes .... if you broke into an elderly persons house in France you would get ten years in jail .... here you might get a suspended sentence ... some solicitor telling yarns about how your not too bad a person really !

Ireland is definitely the best country in the EU to be a criminal

Hal3000

If that was Ireland it would be 6 years a piece with last 2 suspended. Hold it.... Here comes the sentencing harshly doesn't work brigade!!!

Kivaro

Hal3000 wrote: »

... Here comes the sentencing harshly doesn't work brigade!!!

They're already here with the pitchfork comments.

Hal3000

Cole 15 wrote: »

Anyone here who feels the punishment was too severe needs to read about the injuries the victim suffered.

I suggested 3 strike rule here and was practically laughed at. I was told the best way is to understand criminals and start good rehab programs. I must say it's working a treat here in Ireland!

Galwayguy35

Larry Murphy carried out a rape that was just as brutal and was attempting to kill his victim and he was out in 10 years, I know which justice system I'd prefer to see and it ain't our own one.

Your Face

Poor woman.

Varik

Generally countries with 3 strike or similar already have appropriate sentencing. While they'd apply to most of those triple digit prior we see here in the news (most of who have met the general requirements of violent crimes among those 3 strikes), we should properly should start with actually proper sentencing and mandatory minimums for conviction 1 to 2 first.

Sleeper12

Galwayguy35 wrote:

Larry Murphy carried out a rape that was just as brutal and was attempting to kill his victim and he was out in 10 years, I know which justice system I'd prefer to see and it ain't our own one.

You can get almost half your sentence off in France for good behaviour and attending courses etc. In Ireland it's 25 percent. There really isn't that much of a difference. This 25 year sentence could easily be reduced under appeal too

kneemos

The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

Great for the industrial prisons of America,but very unfair for tens of thousands of their inmates.

Hal3000

kneemos wrote: »

The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

Great for the industrial prisons of America,but very unfair for tens of thousands of their inmates.

Very unfair for victims too.. Quite frankly I don't care about prisoners. 3 strike rule could be for violent - major crimes. I don't care less about anyone who commits such a crime. We need a party that's tough on this type of crime.

_blaaz

Hal3000 wrote: »

Very unfair for victims too...

In fairness some of sentences in america are ridcolus....lads getting 20 years for stealing a toaster

Hal3000

_blaaz wrote: »

In fairness some of sentences in america are ridcolus....lads getting 20 years for stealing a toaster

Doubt it very much. Sorry but victims are ones we should be concerned with. Violent crimes should be sentenced harshly.

_blaaz

Hal3000 wrote: »

Doubt it very much.

Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose

Hal3000

_blaaz wrote: »

Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose

Not ranting just wondering who these mystery men are serving 20 years for robbing toasters? Anyway I'll vote for any party who decides its time to make our sentencing harsher.

Varik

kneemos wrote: »

The trouble with a three strike system is you can spend years in jail for very minor offenses.

No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

_blaaz

Varik wrote: »

No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

Afaik you can get life for non violent drugs offences??

Varik

Varik wrote: »

No you can't, one of them has to be a violent felony.

Not all states, California being one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-strikes-28-10-2002/

Yes we should have longer sentences for serious crimes here and have them applied by the judiciary, but crime like a lot of things in the U.S. is big business.

One_More_Mile

Poor woman. Scum should be hung

Varik

DubInMeath wrote: »

Not all states, California being one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-strikes-28-10-2002/

Yes we should have longer sentences for serious crimes here and have them applied by the judiciary, but crime like a lot of things in the U.S. is big business.

The burglary prior counted for him.

A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.

kneemos

Varik wrote: »

The burglary prior counted for him.

A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.

A violent felony can be a robbery.

Del.Monte

_blaaz wrote: »

Meh ignore reality all you want mate and rant and rave...no skin off my nose

Well post a link to somebody getting 20 years for stealing a toaster and I'll believe you.

JustAThought

I read today that a review has (finally) been set up to review whiplash etc case awards - a raft of other legal things amongst them how different judges apply their 'logic' to come up with widely didfering sentencing. I thought there were precedents and guideline sentencing in ranges.

Is it all just up to whom you get on the day - surely not? And if not why so many suspended sentences or non custodial sentences for rape? And why no judicial outrage & sentencing on the barbarity and savage acts of violence of these monsters?

Gimme A Pound

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This. We moan like **** but do nothing. We are frustratingly apathetic as a nation.

What you doing yourself about it?

Allinall wrote: »

Today it’s great.

A few days ago it was kangaroo courts and a rubbish system.

People are shallow.

Were they the same people on each occasion?

Glad to read the ****ers got what they deserved anyway. And it's a perfectly fair point that sentencing for violent crimes here seem to be ludicrously light in the context of what they're for. It's in pretty poor taste imo to be more concerned with making sneery comments about the thread topic moreso than being concerned with what happened to that woman.

El_Bee

They should have told the judge they were:

• from a disadvantaged background
• had a difficult home life
• battling substance abuse issues
• had a "rough time of it"
• were promising footballers at one point
• deeply regret the moment of madness
• trying to get back on track

These all work a charm on Irish Judges, may as well have a punt in other jurisdictions.

Grayson

Hal3000 wrote: »

Very unfair for victims too.. Quite frankly I don't care about prisoners. 3 strike rule could be for violent - major crimes. I don't care less about anyone who commits such a crime. We need a party that's tough on this type of crime.

You should be sentenced appropriately for each crime you commit. Three strikes is stupid because you get sentenced disproportionately for the third sentence.

The irony here is that people are saying there isn't appropriate sentencing for particular crimes, so they want disproportionate sentencing for a minor one.

Kivaro wrote: »

That's a poor response from you to the brutal rape of a woman.
Was it because it was an Irish woman that was raped?

That wasn't a response to the rape of a woman, it was a reaction to posters. You knew that though.

El_Bee

El_Bee wrote: »

They should have told the judge they were:

• from a disadvantaged background
• had a difficult home life
• battling substance abuse issues
• had a "rough time of it"
• were promising footballers at one point
• deeply regret the moment of madness
• trying to get back on track

These all work a charm on Irish Judges, may as well have a punt in other jurisdictions.

You left out that such accused suggest they have a learning disability

Grayson

Varik wrote: »

The burglary prior counted for him.

A violent felony is still required, California change one part a few years ago so that the 3rd strike had to be a violent felony rather than in this case any of the persons priors.

It's not required for the third strike was the point. You could steal a muffin and end up with 25 to life because previously you'd committed a felony.

I remember one guy who was done because police searched his house and found a bong. Possession of drug paraphernalia is what got him sentenced to 25 years.

El_Bee

Deleted User wrote: »

You left out that such accused suggest they have a learning disability

forgot about that, **** around in school your entire childhood, learn nothing, can barely spell your own name, solicitor calls it a learning disability.

El_Bee

Grayson wrote: »

Three strikes is stupid because you get sentenced disproportionately for the third sentence.

Can do the time? don't do the crime. how many people have been brutalized by repeat offenders with double digit convictions? Society deserves a long break from these people, so it getting 25 years for littering when your previous 2 were violent crimes, I'm finding it hard to care.

4068ac1elhodqr

News today is 8yrs for a similar type (classed as 'extremely violent') of crime on the streets of Dublin (had to be pulled off his victim)
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0605/1053606-rape-sentence/

It's not 25yrs, but wonder if he will actually do the full term, or be out half-way for 'good behaviour' or something.

Gimme A Pound

Grayson wrote: »

That wasn't a response to the rape of a woman, it was a reaction to posters. You knew that though.

Which posters though? Nobody said anything unreasonable before the whataboutery in question kicked off.

Gimme A Pound

El_Bee wrote: »

forgot about that, **** around in school your entire childhood, learn nothing, can barely spell your own name, solicitor calls it a learning disability.

That implies they actually bothered going to school.