The best evidence for alien civilizations and the media isn't interested?

Zorya wrote: »

Maybe there are other dimensions simultaneously existing and sometimes stuff leaks through. Maybe this"world" is a mass mental projection. Maybe a bazillion things. It's funny how people can presume that we are on course all the time to figuring things out. Seems to me the more we know the weirder everything becomes. The whole set up is so vast and so unlikely. And nobody has any provable idea about what is really going on. It's literally fantastic. Woohoo!

Think of it this way a cube in 4d becomes a tesseract.

Its an abstract concept but one that is central to philosophy maths and physics.

4D adds time to space.

P.D Ouspensky was a russian philosopher he wrote a book called , Tertium organum. If you are a philosophy student and your memory needs jogging this is the guy that negated Aristotle's formula for A is A. Its the same guy. I think he came up with the idea of a hypercube which was a precursor to the tesseract. But he only described it. But as far as i know he was the first to describe the concept. I mean he was the first to relate the hyper cube to a 4d cube and describe it.

Then this guy Claude Bragdon who was an architect who designed the hypercube. He then made so much money he felt he had to track P.D Ouspensky down to pay him some of the money he got.

Einstein had already come up with spacetime ..fusing time to the 3 dimensions of our dimension. But its not really asking what this might be conceptualized as for normal people. What would a cube seem like to a fourth dimensional being?

There was an article in scientific american in 1939 (many years after) called 'visualizing Hyperspace'. It brought it to the forefront again.

It is just a concept though a concept that is useful in maths and philosophy (logic). But Einsteins theory of relativity and spacetime seemed to point towards it as not just a concept but as a reality.

The hypercube became the tesseract as a model of what a cube would be in a fourth dimension of course only visualized in our third dimension.

It gets all quantum mechanicy now...

Then scientists began to visualize OTHER fourth dimensional phenomena in our third dimension.

It gets REALLY interesting when you start to thing about electrons passing through a fourth dimension conceptually.

Scientists found away to measure the effects of a 4th dimension on materials like 2d electrons. It didn't show a 4th dimension however.

https://physicsworld.com/a/quantum-hall-effect-in-4d-is-created-in-the-lab/

Philosophers (usually logicians) mathematicians etc like to consider it as a concept useful to learn new things.

As far as i know ....Einstein is the only one to have really put his rep on the line and say I predict they will find one. Its clear that einstein could certainly THINK in 4 dimensions and do maths in 4d ...:p (im just makin this up)

Its Einsteins theory ..the fourth dimension is the baby he was never able to prove.

So if Einstein predicts there is a fourth dimension that is good enough for me.








Oh just to say ..some people call fourth dimensional space ..hyperspace.

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

What if Jesus was a alien envoy and we killed him?

And then he rose from the dead?

Fourier wrote: »

General Relativity was proven to be correct by the 1950s, its first experimental evidence came in 1919.

He made time and space aspects of a single realm spacetime. Basically they're different directions in spacetime like East and North are different directions on the Earth's surface. The mathematics for the theory had been formulated back in the 19th century by others, but never applied to a physical theory prior to him.

Tests to see if there are other spatial dimensions have all come back negative. It's been tested pretty stringently by now. Our spacetime/universe doesn't have more than four dimensions according to all experimental tests.

Veerrrrry iiiiiinteresting!

Other notable names might be Minkowski and David Hilbert who were bestest friends of Einstein :P . Hilbert actually applied it to a physical theory before Einstein.


Whatever about their reality 5th dimensions and others are useful concepts in logic philosophy and maths for other things. Its useful for screw theory for one.

Sometimes you have to imagine things that don't exist to solve problems that do exist.

Einsteins theory hasn't been disproven in 100 yrs. He never got the change to falsify it in his lifetime. And even now quantum mechanics is notoriously hard to falsify physically.

String theory has been disproven. Many times. But that is one theory about multi dimensions. Yes theories about multi dimensions have been disproven. BUT multi dimensions would explain the strange behavior of quantum particles.

That is why quantum mechanics and logicians keep imagining it ..because it solves other issues. Saying theories about something have been disproven is different to saying some THING a phenomena has been disproven.

It would explain a lot. If it were true. But of course you have to keep it as a concept really for now. Buts a really useful one.

I wouldn't say we are that certain there is a 4th dimension yet either.

General Relativity has not been proven ...I know i put it like that ...but a theory can't be proven it can only be disproven ...GR still stands after 100 yrs. Its good!

I am not just a tourist in here i am really interested in aliens!

Yermande wrote: »

I don't believe you. I think you're embarrassed by how many likes his post has received and you're coming up with that to try save face.

I've read the first post of hundreds of threads and seen that I have no interest in the topic, why do you think I'd suddenly decide to post in this one that I do't care?

Yermande wrote: »

I couldn't care less tbh.

Then why'd you post about it ya stupid ****?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Hilbert actually applied it to a physical theory before Einstein.

He didn't, though I think I know what you are referring to. Hilbert obtained what is called the "action" for gravity, but Einstein had applied the mathematics of curved spaces to physics a few years before that.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

BUT multi dimensions would explain the strange behavior of quantum particles.

They won't, we've known that since 1964 with Bell's theorem.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I wouldn't say we are that certain there is a 4th dimension yet either.

It's been proven that time is the fourth dimension in the billions of observational tests of General Relativity.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

General Relativity has not been proven ...I know i put it like that ...but a theory can't be proven it can only be disproven ...GR still stands after 100 yrs. Its good!

By these standards it has never been proven that the Sun has hydrogen in it or that clouds contain water, it's simply that every test ever done is compatible with that fact. Outside of ultra strict philosophical conversations where nothing is "proven", General Relativity has been proven as much as the fact that that stars are objects like the Sun. In fact General Relativity is probably more well tested than the vast majority of scientific ideas.

Ipso wrote: »

Isn’t relativity applied in building auto pilot systems and gps?

Yes, GPS and similar location systems need to be corrected to take the curvature of spacetime into account. Without it Google tracking would accumulate an error margin of 11km per day. After a month it would place somebody in Donegal as being in Cork. What's a crazy alteration of reality for one generation is an engineering problem for the next.

Fourier wrote: »

He didn't, though I think I know what you are referring to. Hilbert obtained what is called the "action" for gravity, but Einstein had applied the mathematics of curved spaces to physics a few years before that.


They won't, we've known that since 1964 with Bell's theorem.

David Hilbert....some say he beat Einstein on several key equations by just days. He gave them to Einstein and Einstein submitted them as his own work. Hilbert was the better mathematician. Or else the arrived at the same theory within days.

Same happened with Newton and Leibniz as to which of them discovered calculus first. Some people say Netwon some say Leibniz. Only they weren't working together and it wasn't amicable.

Bell's Theorem: If the quantum mechanical formalism is correct, then the system consisting of a pair of entangled electrons cannot satisfy the principle of local realism. Note that 2 2 {\displaystyle 2{\sqrt {2}}} is indeed the upper bound for quantum mechanics called Tsirelson's bound.

Local realism is dead baby. Violation of local realism is one of the many weird characteristics of the quantum world.

Not only have we observed violations of local realism the probability of local realism being a law that reality obeys is very low.

So i am only guessing here but i think we will find Einsteins theory is limited ....

Orbital speeds towards the edges of spiral galaxies confound relativity.

Why isn't space all the same temperature?

Observations of the celestial bodies in orbit deviate too much for margins error within the predictions of General relativity. This happens regularly.

General relativity appears to be right. So does quantum mechanics ..yet it violates GR ...

Quantum mechanics is incompatible with general relativity because in quantum field theory, forces act locally through the exchange of well-defined quanta.

So at best Einsteins theory is limited and will be expanded upon.

It was thought string theory would unify GR and QM ...so they would not seem to contradict each other ....but then string theory turned out to be wrong ....unless!

There is no evidence that 'intelligent life' develops beyond a certain point. 'Intelligent life' on Earth came close to destroying the planet with nukes back in the 1960's and we only had them for less than 20 years.