Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:15PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Nah, it's not.

It's the inconsiderate bell end not conforming to the standards of the road and holding everyone up - take them out of them equation and everyone gets to where they're going just fine (and about 50% quicker).

Yes, it is. Nobody under any obligation to undertake a dangerous manoeuvre. It’s a choice.

Chips Lovell · 30-05-2019 05:16PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Jesus wept, in the situation I'm describing, there is only one person not abiding by the rules of the road!!! Please give them a re read. Patience has nothing to do with it.

Ummm, I wouldn't say that exactly. I don't have time to get into the minutae of road traffic law right now, but even if the person driving slowly isn't being considerate and moving in when they can to let other traffic overtake, in that situation there are two people not abiding by the rules of the road, the person in front and the dangerous overtaker.

In most of the situations I've encountered, it's the latter, rather than the former.

somefeen · 30-05-2019 05:17PM

givyjoe wrote: »

It's literally something you are tested on before you get your license, you drive 'too slow', you dont get your license. No excessively slow driver, means no tail back exists for someone to attempt a dangerous overtake. No slow driver means no one at all has to even attempt a safe overtake.

Nah. Can't see it that way, its the people that can't chill out and accept they're going to be delayed that are the root cause of the danger.
We can't do something dangerous and then blame our actions on someone else

BrokenArrows · 30-05-2019 05:18PM

Shes probably one of the handful of people in the country that does this.

Either way, if she is driving at an inappropriate speed for the road she is on then she is still wrong. Regardless of the reasons.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:19PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

No. Why should they just because some selfish asshole decides their time is more valuable than that of others?

If you were walking down the street on a narrow path on your way home from work etc and some eejit ambles directly in front of you walking veeerrrryyy slllllooooowwwlllllyyyyy and not letting you pass, I doubt you'd think to yourself "This is fine, I'll just be patient" and go along accepting it.

Realistically you'd get annoyed quite quickly and step onto the road and go around them before proceeding on as you had been.

A human isn’t a ton weight vehicle though.

30-05-2019 05:20PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yes, it is. Nobody under any obligation to undertake a dangerous manoeuvre. It’s a choice.

Like the choice of the slow drivers not conform to the standards of the road everyone else agrees upon? Would anyone be choosing to undertake this dangerous manoeuvre if the slow drivers just drove normally like everybody else?

somefeen · 30-05-2019 05:24PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

No. Why should they just because some selfish asshole decides their time is more valuable than that of others?

If you were walking down the street on a narrow path on your way home from work etc and some eejit ambles directly in front of you walking veeerrrryyy slllllooooowwwlllllyyyyy and not letting you pass, I doubt you'd think to yourself "This is fine, I'll just be patient" and go along accepting it.

Realistically you'd get annoyed quite quickly and step onto the road and go around them before proceeding on as you had been.

What? I wouldn't get annoyed. I'd just walk around them. No big deal. If there's no space and they're walking that slowly then they're probably old or sick and they deserve my patience.
Not a great analogy.

jpb1974 · 30-05-2019 05:25PM

Blaizes wrote: »

The roads have become more aggressive though

Agreed, in some drivers eyes you're a nuisance if you're driving right on the speed limit and not 20% over.

30-05-2019 05:25PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

A human isn’t a ton weight vehicle though.

That's irrelevant - the fact remains that any risky overtaking behaviour in this regard is entirely mitigated by people driving as they're supposed to.
Everybody drives at the speed they'e supposed to, problem solved.

I don't see how the person who initially decides to flout the rules of the road and cause the situation in the first place can be without blame.

_Kaiser_ · 30-05-2019 05:26PM

If you aren't capable of driving at the posted limit when no reason not to, or can't keep up with the rest of the traffic around you and are instead acting as a rolling road block, the problem isn't with those other drivers who can do these things.

The amount of unnecessary dawdling on particularly motorways is ridiculous. It causes other drivers to have to react to a hazard that shouldn't exist and is potentially lethal when these people trundle down the on ramp at 30-40 km/h below the limit into the path of a truck, or cause similar dangers for those stuck behind them.

Of course, the flip side of this scenario are the unaware or ignorant tools who won't move over where space exists to allow traffic merge safely - lots of these types who'll drive alongside the merging car until the slip road ends and a game of chicken ensues.

meeeeh · 30-05-2019 05:26PM

If someone is driving successively slowly on 100 kph roads and motorways they are extremely dangerous. That's why slow vehicles are not allowed on motorway.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:28PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Like the choice of the slow drivers not conform to the standards of the road everyone else agrees upon? Would anyone be choosing to undertake this dangerous manoeuvre if the slow drivers just drove normally like everybody else?

Yup, somebody driving slowly does not force anyone following behind to do anything dangerous. The only person responsible is the person who undertakes the manoeuvre. Slow drivers are very frustrating indeed. It’s still no excuse. Take some responsibility. You are driving a heavy vehicle that can do a lot of damage if you lose control.

And, on a broader point, if somebody is going slow for a good reason (like I said, people carrying wheelchair-users often have to go slowly) only an absolute cünt would dig their heels in and still proclaim that slow driver to be in the wrong after finding out the reason. (I’m aware that usually the reason won’t come to their attention)

These types of threads are always eye-opening.

30-05-2019 05:28PM

somefeen wrote: »

What? I wouldn't get annoyed. I'd just walk around them. No big deal. If there's no space and they're walking that slowly then they're probably old or sick and they deserve my patience.
Not a great analogy.

And stepping into the road to do so? Quite dangerous I would say, a bit like having to cross over into an oncoming lane to get around a slow driver.

And nah don't introduce a moral element into the analogy, the person is walking slow because they want to and think most people walk too fast anyway, anyone they hold up is just being impatient.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:28PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

That's irrelevant - the fact remains that any risky overtaking behaviour in this regard is entirely mitigated by people driving as they're supposed to.
Everybody drives at the speed they'e supposed to, problem solved.

I don't see how the person who initially decides to flout the rules of the road and cause the situation in the first place can be without blame.

It’s very, very relevant.

Every driver knows that other people might do stupid things. So don’t add to it.

bazz26 · 30-05-2019 05:29PM

Jesus. The lynch mob is strong in this thread just because someone is holding up their busy more important lives. The Irish could certainly do with learning some manners on the road.

kirving · 30-05-2019 05:32PM

The problem is most likely that she's trying to keep up a pace, but is still too slow.

Slow enough to frustrate people, but fast enough that overtaking isn't a possibility.

Drivers doing 70km/h in an 80km/h are far more difficult to safely pass than drivers doing 50km/h.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:33PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Jesus. The lynch mob is strong in this thread just because someone is holding up their busy more important lives. The Irish could certainly do with learning some manners on the road.

Aye, these types of threads are always disturbing. I thought it was a basic driving principle that you have to expect that other drivers will do things wrong and that you should mentally prepare for that.

30-05-2019 05:33PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Jesus. The lynch mob is strong in this thread just because someone is holding up their busy more important lives. The Irish could certainly do with learning some manners on the road.

Manners?
One self-absorbed prick decides to waste everybody else's time on a whim and it's everyone else that doesn't have manners?

Jaysus wept indeed.

Snotty · 30-05-2019 05:33PM

20km trip and probably wouldn't think to pull in or if it's a single carriageway, maybe pull over and let the build up of cars past.
I'm sympathy for her situation, but rather than blame everyone else, maybe try a few solutions like the sticker or heavy window tint, take back roads or something else to help the son deal with transport.

30-05-2019 05:35PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Jesus. The lynch mob is strong in this thread just because someone is holding up their busy more important lives. The Irish could certainly do with learning some manners on the road.

Good etiquette is pulling into the hard shoulder if somewhat below the speed limit, allowing a tailback to overtake.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:35PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Manners?
One self-absorbed prick decides to waste everybody else's time on a whim and it's everyone else that doesn't have manners?

Jaysus wept indeed.

Is a person driving slowly because they are carrying somebody with health issues that mean they need to go slow a self-absorbed prick? I know somebody personally who has to do this.

somefeen · 30-05-2019 05:36PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

And stepping into the road to do so? Quite dangerous I would say, a bit like having to cross over into an oncoming lane to get around a slow driver.

And nah don't introduce a moral element into the analogy, the person is walking slow because they want to and think most people walk too fast anyway, anyone they hold up is just being impatient.

Emmm you and I have different ideas of dangerous. Do you think all overtaking is equally dangerous? This is just getting silly now, but stepping onto the road to walk around someone can be done in a way that's reasonably safe, so can overtaking another slower moving car.
If I'm impatient and I step out in front of a bus because someone was walking slowly in front of me its clearly my fault if I get hurt.

punisher5112 · 30-05-2019 05:37PM

meeeeh wrote: »

If someone is driving successively slowly on 100 kph roads and motorways they are extremely dangerous. That's why slow vehicles are not allowed on motorway.

Minimum 50km/h on a motorway, you can do what you want on any other road once within legal top limit.

punisher5112 · 30-05-2019 05:39PM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

The problem is most likely that she's trying to keep up a pace, but is still too slow.

Slow enough to frustrate people, but fast enough that overtaking isn't a possibility.

Drivers doing 70km/h in an 80km/h are far more difficult to safely pass than drivers doing 50km/h.

Especially when the second you go to pass they speed up ....

I come across many daily...

There is something not fully 100% upstairs as they must be in front and can't have anyone overtaking..

Chips Lovell · 30-05-2019 05:39PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah it's a ****ty situation for her but it's not really other people's problem is it? No one else on the road would even be aware of her predicament. It's extremely entitled of her to think she has the right to cause dangerous situations and inconvenience on the road 5 days a week because of it, and expect everyone else to just deal with it.

I don't want to single you out, but this is modern Ireland summed up in one post. A woman with an autistic child is trying to do her best for him and she's the one with a sense of entitlement, not the people angry at being held up for a few minutes on the road.

It's a hard gig. Give the poor woman a break.

jcd5971 · 30-05-2019 05:39PM

Driving at 20km is a joke what's the speed of the road, is she letting other cars pass?

Not enough information to make an informed decision, but my first reaction isn't one of sympathy I have to say.

Vegeta · 30-05-2019 05:39PM

bazz26 wrote: »

The Irish could certainly do with learning some manners on the road.

This works both ways though doesn't it. Unnecessarily slow driving and aggressive driving are both rude and examples of terrible habits behind the wheel.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-05-2019 05:40PM

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I don't want to single you out, but this is modern Ireland summed up in one post. A woman with an autistic child is trying to do her best for him and she's the one with a sense of entitlement, not the people angry at being held up for a few minutes on the road.

It's a hard gig. Give the poor woman a break.

It’s depressing, isn’t it?

30-05-2019 05:40PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Is a person driving slowly because they are carrying somebody with health issues that mean they need to go slow a self-absorbed prick? I know somebody personally who has to do this.

Nope. I'm talking about slow drivers in general, if you'll go back to my first post in the thread you'll see I said it's fair enough in her case.

If they're carrying somebody with medical issues and that requires them to alter their driving style they should get a sticker similar to the pregnant mother on board etc stickers to indicate as such.

buried · 30-05-2019 05:42PM

Driving is supposed to be enjoyable. You've earned the right to control a large machine on the roads that gives you a bit of real freedom. But it seems a lot of impatient drivers don't really like driving, they don't like it because they speed about the place in order to get out of the car as quickly as possible. No patience, no manners, no empathy for anything else. Stressed out f**kers in a car that should be beaming with a smile from ear to ear.

Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

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