Where's the deterrent for shіthead scumbags in society?

El_Bee · 29-04-2019 01:21PM

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/dad-who-peddled-misery-had-active-role-in-drugs-trade-38054843.html

Keith Gilroy (26) had been a "good sportsman" before he got involved in drugs and the "hole he dug for himself got bigger and bigger".

A good ****ing sportsman, this is real.

Judge John Hughes jailed him for nine months, but the sentence is to run concurrently with a five-year prison term he is already serving for transporting a loaded revolver and possession of more than €40,000 worth of crack cocaine and cannabis.

Drag these judges through the streets and string them up, they are the biggest threat to whats left of the fabric of society.

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 01:57PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Modern governments have no interest in building houses. The socialist governments post ww2 were Interested in those things (NHS in UK is a left wing miracle that couldn't be possible with today's right wing voters and governments). But somehow now that centre right governments have been in charge for the last few decades, all the problems are the left's fault.

You're veering into conspiracy theory territory there.

If the lefties were in charge there would be much more focus on restorative justice, rehabilitation for drug addicts, better education for poorer areas, better social mobility, better prospects and ultimately, lower crime rates.

But fewer crimes would mean less punishment. And I think punishment is ultimately the main thing for some people.

The "poor" of today have far more opportunity than the majority had fifty years ago, education is free and a strong safety net exists, the problem is a breakdown of values

These things begin in the family home

El_Duderino 09 · 29-04-2019 02:16PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The "poor" of today have far more opportunity than the majority had fifty years ago, education is free and a strong safety net exists, the problem is a breakdown of values

These things begin in the family home

Ok. But that's not really anything to do with the post you quoted. Socialist governments did incredible things in the past between building social housing and health and education systems. Those things could never be repeated with the conservative attitudes of the current governments and voters. The notion that socialists are in charge now is ridiculous.

sk8erboii · 29-04-2019 02:22PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The "poor" of today have far more opportunity than the majority had fifty years ago, education is free and a strong safety net exists, the problem is a breakdown of values

These things begin in the family home

‘breakdown of values’ i bet you cant quantify that at all

Btw the ‘poor’ of 50 years ago had better RDV. Im guessing you know what that means, seeing as youre knowledgeable in economy

El_Duderino 09 · 29-04-2019 08:22PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

We do that already. We spend millions on it. You are confusing social fixes with justice when a crime was committed.

You generally oppose incarceration and defend the criminality based on circumstances. Specific examples of “this isn’t so criminal” you dont quite say but you generally are hostile to all incarcerations. Getting you to commit to a system that isn’t vague virtue signalling is impossible.

What should happen to him? People who engaged in your kind of rhetoric (the racist guy might have had a hard life) were correctly dismissed as racist apologists in that thread.

This is fairly typical of the way you argue. In the previous thread you also lumped me in with some other guy who said something I didn’t say, here apparently I’m supposed to defend a position I didn’t say. It’s a loaded question.

I’ll take the rest of this to the other thread.

I'm not sure what you're projecting onto me but I never once said anyone had a hard life. Never once excused a crime. Never once said "this isn't so criminal" (I don't even know what that means tbh). And I've also told you specifically I don't oppose the principle of incarceration. I don't know how many times I can tell you I don't oppose incarceration.

And then you accuse me of strawmaning. Too ironic.

It's amusing that you've made your mind up about what I think about the taxi guy. I mean, you're wrong but I think you're probably happy with your assumption so I won't burden you with the truth unless you ask.

Getting me to commit to a concrete action is easy. I've told you loads of times that I think there should be treatment form the drug problems. Both the causes of drug use AND DRUG ADDICTION after the crime in prison. Because when a drug addict leaves prison they're very likely to commit more crimes so the only solution in that situation is to deal with the drug addiction. Treat it as a health issue as in Portugal or whatever it takes to have greater success in treating the addiction.

It's not as simplistic as another posters arbitrary sentence of 10 years in prison because 5 years is too few and 20 is too many- I kid you not. Some poster actually said that was how they worked out how long the sentence should be.

imme · 01-05-2019 07:46PM

Hal3000 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/dundalk-4608976-Apr2019/

Seems this is now a regular thing in Ireland, but don't lock them up, let's explore why they do it ????

3 strike and you're out campaign has to be started up in this kip we now live in.

No "3 strikes..." is not the answer.

There are penalties that apply to all law-breaking.

Just apply what the penalty is, and for heaven's sake STOP concurrent sentencing.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-05-2019 08:02PM

imme wrote: »

No "3 strikes..." is not the answer.

There are penalties that apply to all law-breaking.

Just apply what the penalty is, and for heaven's sake STOP concurrent sentencing.

Concurrent sentencing is a bit like BS for separate crimes. But the American system is bonkers. The might charge 6 crimes for one incident.

Use of a deadly weapon. Brandishing a deadly weapon. GBH. Intent to use a deadly weapon. Armed robbery. So someone ends up with 100 years for one crime. It's Almost arbitrary.

Some of the above sentences could sensibly be Concurrent. But bundling completely separate crimes together with Concurrent sentences is senseless. Sentences should be strategic.

Mad_maxx · 01-05-2019 08:06PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. But that's not really anything to do with the post you quoted. Socialist governments did incredible things in the past between building social housing and health and education systems. Those things could never be repeated with the conservative attitudes of the current governments and voters. The notion that socialists are in charge now is ridiculous.

The clement atlees of their day would recoil in horror at what passes for left wing politics today

El_Duderino 09 · 01-05-2019 09:30PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The clement atlees of their day would recoil in horror at what passes for left wing politics today

Ok. Something tells me you're not too concerned about pushing a left wing agenda so probably best to a thread about how it's all the lefties fault.

Hal3000 · 28-05-2019 10:36PM

Another beaut. When is this going to end???

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-for-man-who-mugged-tourists-in-dublin-4658743-May2019/

El_Duderino 09 · 29-05-2019 08:42AM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Another beaut. When is this going to end???

https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-for-man-who-mugged-tourists-in-dublin-4658743-May2019/

Lol. Let me guess: He should have gotten the magical 10 year sentence that posters prescribe for nearly all crimes.

Ricosruffneck · 29-05-2019 08:48AM

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4148842/gang-attack-chinese-takeaway-staff-dublin/

There was a thread, 'Gangs from' that suited this headline.

seems to have been deleted.

mynamejeff · 29-05-2019 10:30AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. Let me guess: He should have gotten the magical 10 year sentence that posters prescribe for nearly all crimes.

i think the point is that he should have already been safely locked up away from his most recent victims had thee been a fair and just legal system in place

El_Duderino 09 · 29-05-2019 10:47AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

i think the point is that he should have already been safely locked up away from his most recent victims had thee been a fair and just legal system in place

That might be true. As far as the most recent one goes I think it makes sense to suspend the sentence as long as he rehabs.

The most stupid thing imaginable would be to lock,him.up surrounded by drugs and with nothing to do and no hope. Sounds like the quickest way to create a drug addict whether they have a predisposition to it or not.

El_Bee · 29-05-2019 02:36PM

Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work just live and let live we should look into more homeopathic solutions like this:

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El_Duderino 09 · 29-05-2019 02:39PM

El_Bee wrote: »

Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work just live and let live we should look into more homeopathic solutions like this

You can advocate for that if you like.

Apiarist · 29-05-2019 02:41PM

El_Bee wrote: »

Dude prison is too draconian for these guys...

The pic says "People take ownership of public spaces and have hard conversations with each other".

I think this means that we need to take baseball bats and re-claim public spaces with some heavy interactions. But be careful to respect the integrity of the person you are interacting with, so no cutting implements.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-05-2019 02:52PM

victor8600 wrote: »

The pic says "People take ownership of public spaces and have hard conversations with each other".

I think this means that we need to take baseball bats and re-claim public spaces with some heavy interactions. But be careful to respect the integrity of the person you are interacting with, so no cutting implements.

This is it. It sounds like chaos. People like yourself who would relish the opportunity to "take back the streets" with your baseball bat are one of the reasons I'm glad we have police.

There are dangerous people out there.

Apiarist · 29-05-2019 03:27PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

This is it. It sounds like chaos. People like yourself who would relish the opportunity to "take back the streets" with your baseball bat ...

Dude, it's like your opinion man. I am just translating the meaning of the attached picture.

You know what "community-centered lifestyle" mean? It's mafia basically. "We protect each other" means that "we" will fight those who tries to fight us. "Justice prioritized" means that if "we" feel that something is unjust, what do "we" do? Dish out a just solution in a community-centered space.

So what picture describes is that if there is no repressive organ of the state (aka police), the community becomes the judge and the oppressor of anti-community elements.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-05-2019 03:49PM

victor8600 wrote: »

Dude, it's like your opinion man. I am just translating the meaning of the attached picture.

You know what "community-centered lifestyle" mean? It's mafia basically. "We protect each other" means that "we" will fight those who tries to fight with us. "Justice prioritized" means that if "we" feel that something is unjust, what do "we" do? Dish out a just solution in a community-centered space.

So what picture describes is that if there is no repressive organ of the state (aka police), the community becomes the judge and the oppressor of anti-community elements.

I get it. The picture having kindly looking people is funny though.
Some people would love to have vigilante mobs administering "justice".

I think those people presume they would be part of the mob rather the one being beaten by the mob.

Apiarist · 29-05-2019 05:24PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The picture having kindly looking people is funny though.

mynamejeff · 30-05-2019 09:06AM

El_Bee wrote: »

Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work just live and let live we should look into more homeopathic solutions like this:

this looks like a children's work sheet for ages 4 -5 and expresses the same level of understanding of humanity

GreeBo · 30-05-2019 09:11AM

El_Bee wrote: »

Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work

Did you know that 90% of criminals who don't go to prison go on to re-offend?
this proves that prison does work.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-05-2019 09:32AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

this looks like a children's work sheet for ages 4 -5 and expresses the same level of understanding of humanity

Ah be fair. It's parody, isn't it?

mynamejeff · 30-05-2019 09:38AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah be fair. It's parody, isn't it?

some times especially on here it isn't unfortunately

El_Duderino 09 · 30-05-2019 09:56AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

some times especially on here it isn't unfortunately

Elaborate on that. Do you mean there are people who want a police free society or people who want vigilante mobs?

I can tell you I've seen plenty of posters advocate for mob justice. Not sure I've ever seen a poster happy clappy advocating for police free society.

Hal3000 · 06-06-2019 08:37PM

Another beauty

https://www.thejournal.ie/pharmacy-employee-screwdriver-4671385-Jun2019/

14 months! Hopefully this gets reduced and he might be out in time for Christmas.

By this rational I could batter a shop assistant and say I did it because paying off a mortgage debt. Those bankers are a dangerous bunch too...

El_Duderino 09 · 07-06-2019 10:09AM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Another beauty

https://www.thejournal.ie/pharmacy-employee-screwdriver-4671385-Jun2019/

14 months! Hopefully this gets reduced and he might be out in time for Christmas.

By this rational I could batter a shop assistant and say I did it because paying off a mortgage debt. Those bankers are a dangerous bunch too...

Depends who you got your mortgage from and what they'll do to you if you can't pay.

I live with someone who works with criminals and it's fascinating to hear how it works. You get into debt either in prison it on the street, and then you have to work off your debt for them. You're in their pocket. They tell you to go rob a bookies or a shop and it's up to you to figure out how to do it and to get it done. If you get away with it, They take the money and you get £100 for your next couple of fixes. They call on you the next time they want a bookies robbed. If you're caught, you're on your own. Dont do it and they'll attrack you and your family.

In the moment, Most people would do whatever it takes to keep themselves and their family safe.

Sending the drug addict to prison where he'll be surrounded by drugs will just lead to him leaving prison with more debt. And guess what happens then.

Obviously the way to break the cycle and keep the public safe and happy in the long term is to get the guy off drugs but more importantly to tackle the reasons people turn to drugs in the first case.

I know you've no interest in people's safety so I don't expect this info to have any impact on your opinion.

Gael23 · 08-06-2019 06:13PM

American Airlines have a new flight to Dallas. That’s not for from the Huntsville unit.
Only place for a few of them

Hal3000 · 08-06-2019 10:10PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Depends who you got your mortgage from and what they'll do to you if you can't pay.

I live with someone who works with criminals and it's fascinating to hear how it works. You get into debt either in prison it on the street, and then you have to work off your debt for them. You're in their pocket. They tell you to go rob a bookies or a shop and it's up to you to figure out how to do it and to get it done. If you get away with it, They take the money and you get £100 for your next couple of fixes. They call on you the next time they want a bookies robbed. If you're caught, you're on your own. Dont do it and they'll attrack you and your family.

In the moment, Most people would do whatever it takes to keep themselves and their family safe.

Sending the drug addict to prison where he'll be surrounded by drugs will just lead to him leaving prison with more debt. And guess what happens then.

Obviously the way to break the cycle and keep the public safe and happy in the long term is to get the guy off drugs but more importantly to tackle the reasons people turn to drugs in the first case.

I know you've no interest in people's safety so I don't expect this info to have any impact on your opinion.

Yes, by wanting to lock up repeat violent offenders means I now have no interest in other people's saftey... Christ allfu*kin mighty..... That maybe the most ridiculous I think I've ever read here...

Where's the deterrent for shіthead scumbags in society?

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