Keith Gilroy (26) had been a "good sportsman" before he got involved in drugs and the "hole he dug for himself got bigger and bigger".
Judge John Hughes jailed him for nine months, but the sentence is to run concurrently with a five-year prison term he is already serving for transporting a loaded revolver and possession of more than €40,000 worth of crack cocaine and cannabis.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Modern governments have no interest in building houses. The socialist governments post ww2 were Interested in those things (NHS in UK is a left wing miracle that couldn't be possible with today's right wing voters and governments). But somehow now that centre right governments have been in charge for the last few decades, all the problems are the left's fault. You're veering into conspiracy theory territory there. If the lefties were in charge there would be much more focus on restorative justice, rehabilitation for drug addicts, better education for poorer areas, better social mobility, better prospects and ultimately, lower crime rates. But fewer crimes would mean less punishment. And I think punishment is ultimately the main thing for some people.
Mad_maxx wrote: » The "poor" of today have far more opportunity than the majority had fifty years ago, education is free and a strong safety net exists, the problem is a breakdown of values These things begin in the family home
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » We do that already. We spend millions on it. You are confusing social fixes with justice when a crime was committed. You generally oppose incarceration and defend the criminality based on circumstances. Specific examples of “this isn’t so criminal” you dont quite say but you generally are hostile to all incarcerations. Getting you to commit to a system that isn’t vague virtue signalling is impossible. What should happen to him? People who engaged in your kind of rhetoric (the racist guy might have had a hard life) were correctly dismissed as racist apologists in that thread. This is fairly typical of the way you argue. In the previous thread you also lumped me in with some other guy who said something I didn’t say, here apparently I’m supposed to defend a position I didn’t say. It’s a loaded question. I’ll take the rest of this to the other thread.
Hal3000 wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/dundalk-4608976-Apr2019/ Seems this is now a regular thing in Ireland, but don't lock them up, let's explore why they do it ???? 3 strike and you're out campaign has to be started up in this kip we now live in.
imme wrote: » No "3 strikes..." is not the answer. There are penalties that apply to all law-breaking. Just apply what the penalty is, and for heaven's sake STOP concurrent sentencing.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Ok. But that's not really anything to do with the post you quoted. Socialist governments did incredible things in the past between building social housing and health and education systems. Those things could never be repeated with the conservative attitudes of the current governments and voters. The notion that socialists are in charge now is ridiculous.
Mad_maxx wrote: » The clement atlees of their day would recoil in horror at what passes for left wing politics today
Hal3000 wrote: » Another beaut. When is this going to end???https://www.thejournal.ie/suspended-sentence-for-man-who-mugged-tourists-in-dublin-4658743-May2019/
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Lol. Let me guess: He should have gotten the magical 10 year sentence that posters prescribe for nearly all crimes.
mynamejeff wrote: » i think the point is that he should have already been safely locked up away from his most recent victims had thee been a fair and just legal system in place
El_Bee wrote: » Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work just live and let live we should look into more homeopathic solutions like this
El_Bee wrote: » Dude prison is too draconian for these guys...
victor8600 wrote: » The pic says "People take ownership of public spaces and have hard conversations with each other". I think this means that we need to take baseball bats and re-claim public spaces with some heavy interactions. But be careful to respect the integrity of the person you are interacting with, so no cutting implements.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » This is it. It sounds like chaos. People like yourself who would relish the opportunity to "take back the streets" with your baseball bat ...
victor8600 wrote: » Dude, it's like your opinion man. I am just translating the meaning of the attached picture. You know what "community-centered lifestyle" mean? It's mafia basically. "We protect each other" means that "we" will fight those who tries to fight with us. "Justice prioritized" means that if "we" feel that something is unjust, what do "we" do? Dish out a just solution in a community-centered space. So what picture describes is that if there is no repressive organ of the state (aka police), the community becomes the judge and the oppressor of anti-community elements.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » The picture having kindly looking people is funny though.
El_Bee wrote: » Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work just live and let live we should look into more homeopathic solutions like this:
El_Bee wrote: » Dude prison is too draconian for these guys, did you know that the majority of criminals re-offend once they are released? This PROVES that prison doesn't work
mynamejeff wrote: » this looks like a children's work sheet for ages 4 -5 and expresses the same level of understanding of humanity
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Ah be fair. It's parody, isn't it?
mynamejeff wrote: » some times especially on here it isn't unfortunately
Hal3000 wrote: » Another beautyhttps://www.thejournal.ie/pharmacy-employee-screwdriver-4671385-Jun2019/ 14 months! Hopefully this gets reduced and he might be out in time for Christmas. By this rational I could batter a shop assistant and say I did it because paying off a mortgage debt. Those bankers are a dangerous bunch too...
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Depends who you got your mortgage from and what they'll do to you if you can't pay. I live with someone who works with criminals and it's fascinating to hear how it works. You get into debt either in prison it on the street, and then you have to work off your debt for them. You're in their pocket. They tell you to go rob a bookies or a shop and it's up to you to figure out how to do it and to get it done. If you get away with it, They take the money and you get £100 for your next couple of fixes. They call on you the next time they want a bookies robbed. If you're caught, you're on your own. Dont do it and they'll attrack you and your family. In the moment, Most people would do whatever it takes to keep themselves and their family safe. Sending the drug addict to prison where he'll be surrounded by drugs will just lead to him leaving prison with more debt. And guess what happens then. Obviously the way to break the cycle and keep the public safe and happy in the long term is to get the guy off drugs but more importantly to tackle the reasons people turn to drugs in the first case. I know you've no interest in people's safety so I don't expect this info to have any impact on your opinion.
