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Do you exercise properly?

  • 23-05-2019 12:25PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Im am hoping this thread can be informative!

    I see a LOT of people in the gym who just arent exercising properly. They are either doing what I call "arm movements" - ie, no specific exercise but just sort of waving their arms/legs about OR they are simply not exercising at a level that will be of much benefit (women chest pressing the 2kg dumbells). Or people are just randomly doing bits and pieces with whatever happens to be free but dont seem to have goals.

    And then in terms of cardio I see people who are walking treadmills but at a very relaxed pace, and taking a similar relaxed pace on bikes, rowers etc...

    I got talking to a guy in work about it recently, he had recently lost a lot of weight and he told he he had discovered he simply wasnt exercising properly. He used to go to the gym and never strain himself. He was never sore afterwards, never had DOMS, never got his heart rate up while in the gym. He said that the feeling of having exercised hard was completely foreign to him.

    Lots of people are in the same boat.

    So what advice would you give to people to get them exercising properly?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Even a single session with a trainer would help.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,016 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Even a single session with a trainer would help.

    I'd qualify that with a 'good' or 'reputable' trainer. Plenty of lazy trainers out there who would be happy to charge people money for a photocopied piece of paper detailing 3x12 for every machine in the building and never explaining the 'why'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    What about heart rate monitors, can they help people exercise more effectively?

    (never used one myself)


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    ....... wrote: »
    What about heart rate monitors, can they help people exercise more effectively?

    (never used one myself)


    I know that since wearing a fitbit for running and cycling that I'm looking more at my heart rate and how hard I'm working.
    Not only that, I'm looking at how my sleeping pattern after a day with a big run or long spin.


    I don't think I exercise more effectively, but i'm monitoring it better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭eoinob50


    I'd qualify that with a 'good' or 'reputable' trainer. Plenty of lazy trainers out there who would be happy to charge people money for a photocopied piece of paper detailing 3x12 for every machine in the building and never explaining the 'why'.

    Exactly this, IMO people would be better off getting a session with a strength/ powerlifting coach as opposed to your average gym PT


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    ....... wrote: »
    Or people are just randomly doing bits and pieces with whatever happens to be free but dont seem to have goals.

    This is part of the reason you see people doing ineffective exercise - they don't really have a goal other than to go to the gym and get the buzz that that entails.

    There are plenty of people training aimlessly. It might not look like what they are doing is ineffective, i.e. the weight might look reasonable and the intensity there but if there is zero structure to what they do in the gym, they're just spinning their wheels.

    A good trainer will always help. Someone that has a clue from experience and building a knowledge base.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭mrmoonlight


    I see that at the gym , people with phones in hands looking at Facebook and just leasurely walking along on treadmills no inclination to push themselves. Also people doing the random exersises with no particular ryme or reason. Waste of there time and money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭wally1990


    Out of interest , when it comes to trainers and selecting someone , what kind of stuff do you look out for ?

    I am a complete Novice but I will be joining back to a gym soon.

    Any tips will help ?

    I'm thinking to myself , a trainer themselves should be someone that is very fit looking themselves (as a trainer , their own physical condition is a selling point)

    Age is also a factor , I don't want some 21 year old person really who think they know everything already , I'd rather someone from 28 to 40 maybe or at least some years experience


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I think a trainer needs to be able to structure a programme that suits you and what you want to achieve. Anyone who asks lots of questions before you start should be worth looking at. If they just hand you a programme, you're wasting your time and money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    wally1990 wrote: »

    I'm thinking to myself , a trainer themselves should be someone that is very fit looking themselves (as a trainer , their own physical condition is a selling point)

    A bit off topic but I made a comment similar to this to someone very heavily involved with a particular martial art in Ireland at national level and they told me one of the most highly respected trainers was an overweight smoker and it didnt matter what he looked like, it was his knowledge that was important.

    But back to the important stuff!

    I suppose it depends on what you are looking for from the gym. I use a personal trainer that I came across in her capacity as a physical therapist. She is not affiliated with one particular gym, but rather with a particular sport (which I am not involved in). But I think I was lucky, because I like her, I get along with her, and I find her excellent - but I found her by accident. Incidentally she is in amazing shape ;)


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  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Addison Fit Pacemaker


    I don't think it matters what they look like if they're going to give you the same template program as everyone else or whatever other lowball things


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I think a decent goal is the most important thing. If you are going to the gym just to exercise without a goal, it's way too easy to freewheel.

    It's extremely difficult to sell the idea that there's no point in lifting if you don't want to get stronger. But I don't understand why. People who cycle, swim or run all want to get faster or go further or both. But tell people that they should be aiming for specific strength targets and it's like you're telling them to become Ronnie Coleman.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    So this is an interesting topic and one I talk to other trainers about a lot. Below are a few of the things I often see.

    What Brian said is a big one lack of a goal is huge, people go to the gym to "make fitness" not exercise or achieve anything just to simply look like they are doing something. This is also a big gripe I have with many styles and types of training too its more about the activity and not the goal.

    In relation to the above being seen in the gym and taking Instagram snaps and not being there to actually do anything.

    MANY people think they know all they need about training. (Most of the best coaches I know would never even say this) This also often leads to bad form / structure to training and often injury then people stopping training. This often means no program no structure and no pushing yourself.

    Not following a program or having a coach. Some world class coaches I know also work with other coaches to program their own training.

    Many go to the gym to lose weight and dont ever fix their diet then get disheartened and quit.

    Most people in the gym just want to feel like they "worked out" and ignore all structure and progressive overload (aka building up to their level slowly) for a simple example go into any gym and see how jam packed a spin / HIIT class is. Even though most would be better off lifting and doing some mobility then working up to this slowly.

    There are dozens of other points I could go on about but those are some of the top ones that come to my head.

    On the how to pick a PT / Coach question here are the things I personally consider as well as clients who I refer out.

    1. Do they have experience in the area your interested in eg powerlifting coach who teaches powerlifting well.
    2. Do they have a proven track record with clients.
    3. Do they have a proven track record with regular people, athletes dont count unless you are one.
    4. Do they program to you individually not just your goals but also your day to day life this is key for most people.
    5. Do they structure programs with progression in mind.

    Again dozens more things I could mention but these are some that stand out.

    With relation to appearances of coaches this one is simple do they have either a massive understanding of the area and coaching it or were they previously able to do the skills your looking at.

    Some guy who is very fit can be great but if he hands you a copy of his program its useless but if he knows how to take a beginner to his level thats ideal. Some of the best coaches I have ever met have been older and or not in particularly great shape.

    As a coach said to me before "would you rather learn from a world champion of the coach who created that world champion?"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    So what kind of goals should people have?

    For me I started going to the gym to get functionally stronger and stop injuring myself in everyday life because I was so weak. Also to get better cardio fitness. And to improve the situation re some old issues like a triple operated knee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    ....... wrote: »
    So what kind of goals should people have?

    For me I started going to the gym to get functionally stronger and stop injuring myself in everyday life because I was so weak. Also to get better cardio fitness. And to improve the situation re some old issues like a triple operated knee.

    What goal you have is a very individual thing and also depends on how far you want to go and what training styles you enjoy.

    Powerlifting has some pretty well laid out strength standards eg 2x bodyweight deadlift etc

    I would add in be able to do pull ups, dips and pushups.

    Cardio for general fitness would be to reduce resting heart rate and improve heart rate variability score.

    Then for you knee it would be to make sure you mobility is ok and any structural issues are dealt with and trainined eg stability of the joint.

    All of the above would be stuff a good coach should program for you thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    What goal you have is a very individual thing and also depends on how far you want to go and what training styles you enjoy.

    Powerlifting has some pretty well laid out strength standards eg 2x bodyweight deadlift etc

    I would add in be able to do pull ups, dips and pushups.

    Just to say here, the gym should be for everyone, all ages, all abilities.

    I dont know many women my own age (mid 40s) who would be interested in power lifting, pull ups, dips and pushups. (I am but not many are!).

    But is entirely possible to not be a power lifter and still get good value out of exercising in the gym.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    People often confuse powerlifting the sport with lifting weights for general fitness. For example in the studio I work from there are plenty of women who lift and some 60-70+ who also do it.

    I gave powerlifting as the example as it has well structured strength standards for men and women of all shapes and sizes to work towards as well as nicely programmed progressions for them. It is also often quicker to do and very effective.

    The thing is not many women are interested in these things yet the most common thing I hear from women is "I want to get toned" which the full sentence is build muscle tone. Which if you want useful strength is best done with the above mentioned. But again like I said have a goal and know what it is you want to achieve and if unsure find someone to help you figure it out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    People often confuse powerlifting the sport with lifting weights for general fitness.

    I would call the sport powerlifting and lifting weights in the gym I would just call weight lifting. I thought you were referring to the sport.

    I dont see many women in the gym lifting weights in either gym Im in. There is one older lady deadlifting one of them (but not with much weight - maybe 40kg).

    And the other gym Im in has a great weights area but women dont seem to use that gym at all (let alone the weights section) - I am frequently the only woman I see in the entire building (over 2 floors). I genuinely dont know why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    Sorry my bad for not making it clear I usually use weight lifting to refer to Olympic weightlifting and power lifting to just refer to the big 3.

    Also in relation to bodyweight 40kg could be a large amount ;)

    Many women are discouraged from using weights which I really dont understand but it persists. The classic quote of it will make me big and bulky is often thrown around which is total BS but it seems to stick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Many women are discouraged from using weights which I really dont understand but it persists. The classic quote of it will make me big and bulky is often thrown around which is total BS but it seems to stick.

    As a woman, I think there are a few reasons.

    1 - they think they are going to look like muscly men if they lift weights.
    2 - the weights section can be quite intimidating and full of mildly scary looking men :) I say that tongue in cheek but it can bother some women.
    3 - they are afraid that they will hurt themselves lifting heavy weights.
    4 - when you start (but this must be the same for both sexes), it can be difficult to manouver heavy things around the place, the Olympic bar, take weights off bars that people have left behind etc...

    The above I have heard from various female friends of mine. I also used to be a bit intimidated in one gym I was in where the weights section was entirely male dominated and had quite a locker room mentality. Or, I should say, I THOUGHT it had a locker room mentality. It probably didnt. But before I used weights regularly I got the impression it did.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    Interesting and I have heard similar before most high street gyms lack an environment that encourages a sense of community that help and has inclusiveness. Which is something I try to seek out personally. But a lot of the things you mentioned would also be negated by good coaching too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭gargargar


    This is an interesting one. I am going to the gym about 6 years. Doing various programmes. There was a stage where I got a structured program from a trainer in a particular gym. I had a few sessions with him and he was good, but I suppose I wasn't sure what I wanted. I knew I wanted to get stronger but I didn't have a goal beyond that. The guy gave me a three day, different focus lower/upper etc. I did it for about a year (with a few change ups on his recommendation) and then started to get quite muscular build where people where mentioning it to me. I actually didn't want that!! So now I just all over body workouts with smaller weights and higher reps/less recover gaps. Much happier now.

    Moral of story is you need to know what your goal is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    That is an interesting point and a good example of how individuals respond to training. The byproduct of any strength training will be some form of muscular growth. The training your doing now would be swapping to a standard body building template which would be the go to for most to build muscle.

    Like you said though know your goal and know how to adjust things to fit you personally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    gargargar wrote: »
    Moral of story is you need to know what your goal is.

    I think most peoples goal is just that they want to be in better shape. Its very diffuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭freemenfitness


    What shape square, circle or triangle? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    What shape square, circle or triangle? ;)

    Well definitely not a circle :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Have a goal, have a plan, follow plan. Get instruction initially. Make sure the plan is sustainable, if it isn't change it.

    If you achieve the goal, start a new one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Have a goal, have a plan, follow plan. Get instruction initially. Make sure the plan is sustainable, if it isn't change it.

    If you achieve the goal, start a new one.

    Consistency is key.

    No point in going twice, then not going to 4 months, then going once, not going for a week, going 4 times a week for 2 weeks, not going for 3 months etc....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    My approach is work as hard as I feel capable, but to actually push myself as much as possible.

    I cycle to and from work each day (at top speed and arrive pumping sweat), train in martial arts twice a week, 2 days where I lift weights and 1 day where I do a long callistenics session with skipping involved. Generally a proper sitting on my rear recovery day, mostly Sundays.

    I'll generally plan out a very hard work out each session, and try my hardest to complete it.

    But some days you are just too run down or tired from a long week to get through the whole thing and need to tap out early. Nothing wrong with that.

    Consistency is extremely important - according to Ross Enamit (boxing trainer) and Jeff Cavaliere (of athlean x) both have stressed the importance of consistency and hard work quite a bit, so I'm trying very hard to be consistent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    im a bit more loosey goosey but I keep track of about 5 or 6 things and if I can do more than the previous month its all good. For example this week as I commute to work by bike and it didn’t rain Ill have clocked up 200km including a spin at the weekend so Ill get less done in the gym , but overall a good week

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