Honestly, what do you think about Season 8? Mod warning post #1/#410

MisterAnarchy · 21-05-2019 02:25PM

expectationlost wrote: »

worst last seasons GOT or BSG?

it has to be BSG

Both were poor enough but BSG was slightly better in my opinion.

Its interesting what George R.R. Martin had to say about the BSG finale

"Battlestar Galactica ends with 'God Did It.' Looks like somebody skipped Writing 101, when you learn that a deus ex machina is a crappy way to end a story. Yeah, yeah, sometimes the journey is its own reward. I certainly enjoyed much of the journey with BSG. But damn it, doesn't anybody know how to write an ending any more? Writing 101, kids.

Is he saying that now about the GOT Finale I wonder ?
We shouldnt be surprised I guess all this has happened before, and all this will happen again.:)

Diceicle · 21-05-2019 02:27PM

They should have had the GOT ending with young Bran waking up in his bedroom in the modern era and it was all a dream......

21-05-2019 02:30PM

I dunno why people keep saying it got all LOTR like that was a bad thing..
The Lord of the rings trilogy was quality..
It was a different thing. It would never be as gritty as GOT..
LOTR was way better than this pile of sh1te ended up being..

21-05-2019 02:32PM

Before the last episode I was thinking 'I don't know they could make it any worse'.. And then I saw a spoiler..,Bran on the fncking throne.. That was the one way they could make it worse..

Diceicle · 21-05-2019 02:39PM

valoren wrote: »

It was perhaps a victim of it's own success. The earlier seasons before it became a pop culture phenomenon were wrought with dialogue, plotting and characterization. It didn't have the enormous budget the latter seasons enjoyed. I guess if you give someone a hammer (big productions costs) then all they will see is nails (big set pieces, spectacles, style over substance) while losing focus on the writing which actually gave them the 'hammer' subsequently with each seasons spectacle becoming inversely proportional to the quality of the dialogue, plotting and characterization.

I was thinking something similar earlier - after GOT peaked or broke into the mainstream there could be pressure or a tendency to dilute some of the grittier plots - the harder edged scenes. Keep the mass appeal going. Make it more blockbuster entertainment than medieval grit-fest.

stmargarets4 · 21-05-2019 02:40PM

Terrible. Simple as that.
CGI Terrible
Acting Terrible
Dialogue Terrible
The list goes on

Too rushed, too little thought put into it - just a disappointing end to what could have been a great series. It could of held it's own against the like of Sopranos and the wire but unfortunately it doesn't come close.

Some great episodes and series along the but all ruined, in my eyes, by the final 6 episodes.

I'm glad its over - the inevitable spin off's can F right off.

Brian? · 21-05-2019 03:45PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Really?

I have never spoke to a single person who liked it.

Not by me it's not, it's seen as a "we have no idea how to end this and want to keep our options open"

I loved the ending of the Sopranos. It was perfect.

Greyfox · 21-05-2019 04:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno why people keep saying it got all LOTR like that was a bad thing.

Back in season 4 GOT was way better than LOR because of its complexity but it ended up becoming simplistic good v evil in the end just like LOR. The writers just let everyone down

Foxtrol · 21-05-2019 04:34PM

Greyfox wrote: »

Back in season 4 GOT was way better than LOR because of its complexity but it ended up becoming simplistic good v evil in the end just like LOR. The writers just let everyone down

That and it became much more quest driven, worst example team beyond the wall zombie hunt

21-05-2019 04:35PM

Greyfox wrote: »

Back in season 4 GOT was way better than LOR because of its complexity but it ended up becoming simplistic good v evil in the end just like LOR. The writers just let everyone down

Yeah, but LOTR was different..it was going for a more archetypal fairy tale thing..he was actually trying to create a mythology..It was written what 80 years ago too..
And when those movies came out they were epic as f*ck..
And GOT would never have existed without LOTR..

Fian · 21-05-2019 04:36PM

not my line - from the irish times:

Martin McBennett
The season was dark and full of errors.

eagle eye · 21-05-2019 04:39PM

Like everyone I was disappointed with how it ended because I wanted it to end differently.
Thing is it kept you guessing all through.
I can see how it ended like it did and I accept the ending and how it played out.
For a lot of people they seemed to want it as complicated at the end as it was all along and that was impossible to do.
It's the greatest show in the history of tv imo. I'll always recommend it to people and I'll never forget it.
I never rewatch tv shows but I think I'll watch this again in a couple of years.

dusty bin · 21-05-2019 04:58PM

Think I'm in the minority here. But I enjoyed it.

Going back to Season 1, the starks were always the good guys and I am happy that they now have a king beyond the wall, queen in the north and king in the six kingdoms. Also, arya to be queen of the seas. (sorry yara). The kids Ned reared have all done well.

Thank you GOT for the 73 episodes. I've enjoyed every minute. Sad its now over.

is_that_so · 21-05-2019 06:44PM

expectationlost wrote: »

worst last seasons GOT or BSG?

it has to be BSG

I'd say GOT for all reasons people have offered. BSG had some cracking episodes in the last season, although the show and characters had nowhere to go and they'd already brought in that history repeating itself theme. The ending was a naff and a bit long but after a few rewatches it's actually not a completely unsatisfactory observation of their need to start over but God thing is just silly.

Beechwoodspark · 21-05-2019 06:48PM

Whole thing was a waste of time. Height of rubbish

Lot of ppl know this but won’t admit it

Foxtrol · 21-05-2019 07:09PM

Feel this season will stand up better for people who binge watch it straight after the others. No matter what they did with the last few seasons it was always going to seem rushed compared to the GRRM material, but by limiting the time lag between episodes and seasons it will allow character arcs and storylines to flow better and not seem as rushed as we found it watching along.

youreadthat · 21-05-2019 09:48PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Feel this season will stand up better for people who binge watch it straight after the others. No matter what they did with the last few seasons it was always going to seem rushed compared to the GRRM material, but by limiting the time lag between episodes and seasons it will allow character arcs and storylines to flow better and not seem as rushed as we found it watching along.

They don't even flow well within the individual episodes, even if you binge watch you'll notice what took 30 episodes to set up now takes 2. Imagine telling someone in season 4 that they'll tie up the White Walkers and NK in a single episode and Cersi would be alive but do nothing for the final season, even though it's only 6 episodes long! You'd assume the ratings tanked and the money ran out or something.

Lone Stone · 21-05-2019 10:20PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Feel this season will stand up better for people who binge watch it straight after the others. No matter what they did with the last few seasons it was always going to seem rushed compared to the GRRM material, but by limiting the time lag between episodes and seasons it will allow character arcs and storylines to flow better and not seem as rushed as we found it watching along.

I binged it on the lead up to the final season and i think it made it worse

Show really needed 2 more seasons to get it where it ended. Shame to see my favorite show/book just end us as some badly written gibberish.

Even my mother in her 60's down there in on the second last episode now and she was like why would danny do that, this makes no sense !

Like for example i think it took like 3 seasons ? for the boltons to be that bat **** crazy and danny was basically goes nuts in 2 episodes.

Brock Turnpike · 21-05-2019 11:07PM

I was willing to forgive a lot of the issues with the season up until last week, but last night's episode sent me over the edge. Just a terrible ending. They would've been better off cutting to black after Arya killed the night king

Blinky Plebum · 21-05-2019 11:07PM

It was too rushed.

The visuals were great the night king episode was really good but the story was far too rushed.Good spectacle at times but poor storytelling.

In reality they should have had a 2 part season of around 8 -10 1 hour episodes in each. Part 1 should have been building up the Night king and the battle at Winterfell and Part 2 should have been the battle between Cersei and Danaerys ,

They should have allowed more time for character development and scheming.

Don't know why they rushed it so much as it seems like HBO were happy for more episodes to be made so clearly it seems like a selfish decision on behalf of the producers to just want to get rid of the show once and for all which is really a dreadful thing to do to what is one of the greatest television shows of all time.

OptimusTractor · 22-05-2019 01:08AM

If the writers were arsed at all there was at least 3 seasons of content left. Even at 6 episodes.

Season 8: The War with the White Walkers.

Season 9: Dany's conquering of Westeros.

Season 10: The inevitable civil war when other Houses realise Queen Dee takes after the rest of her family and join with Sansa.

MisterAnarchy · 22-05-2019 01:19AM

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Don't know why they rushed it so much as it seems like HBO were happy for more episodes to be made so clearly it seems like a selfish decision on behalf of the producers to just want to get rid of the show once and for all which is really a dreadful thing to do to what is one of the greatest television shows of all time.

Its a crying shame what the writers did ,producing such atrocious scripts.
What they produced wouldn't make it past an early first draft not to mind get filmed.

It was a real smack in the face to everyone else on the crew who did absolutely trojan work.
The set builders,the stunt team ,the CGI crew etc.

Ramin Djawadi did a phenomenal job scoring the season and the actors gave it their best too but they simply couldn't turn a pigs ear into silk.

A very sad final two seasons to what was previously a superb show .

Foxtrol · 22-05-2019 01:41AM

youreadthat wrote: »

They don't even flow well within the individual episodes, even if you binge watch you'll notice what took 30 episodes to set up now takes 2. Imagine telling someone in season 4 that they'll tie up the White Walkers and NK in a single episode and Cersi would be alive but do nothing for the final season, even though it's only 6 episodes long! You'd assume the ratings tanked and the money ran out or something.

You could assume that or that the original writer tied himself in knots by slowly over expanding the narrative in a way that could never be closed out at the same pace and the showrunners had to try to clean up his mess. They did a decent job of cutting out a lot of the unneeded fat but more should have been done and the pace increased eariler, though that was difficult in itself as I doubt they told that GRRM would produce so little over the period of the show.

Foxtrol · 22-05-2019 02:01AM

Lone Stone wrote: »

I binged it on the lead up to the final season and i think it made it worse
Show really needed 2 more seasons to get it where it ended. Shame to see my favorite show/book just end us as some badly written gibberish.

Even my mother in her 60's down there in on the second last episode now and she was like why would danny do that, this makes no sense !
Like for example i think it took like 3 seasons ? for the boltons to be that bat **** crazy and danny was basically goes nuts in 2 episodes.

Binged it for the first time or repeat viewing? I think the latter will be helpful in the future, along with watching the final season with the right expectations and outside the echo chamber of complaints.

They could have gone on for another 5 seasons and people wouldn’t have complained. Given how sidetracked the showrunners got last season it probably wouldn't have helped too much getting to an ending that everyone was happy with.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Boltons, Ramsey was cutting off parts of Theon from the point we met him and Roose was never truly crazy, just ruthless in getting what he wanted. I don’t want to get into another circular argument of the Dany character arc, you think it was over 2 episodes whereas I see the development clearly building since season 1.

facehugger99 · 22-05-2019 07:09AM

OptimusTractor wrote: »

If the writers were arsed at all there was at least 3 seasons of content left. Even at 6 episodes.

Season 8: The War with the White Walkers.

Season 9: Dany's conquering of Westeros.

Season 10: The inevitable civil war when other Houses realise Queen Dee takes after the rest of her family and join with Sansa.

The show has been on a downward spiral over the last 3 seasons, the last thing it needed was more seasons.

Blinky Plebum · 22-05-2019 08:17AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The show has been on a downward spiral over the last 3 seasons, the last thing it needed was more seasons.

The first 4 seasons are defintely better than the final 4 but Season 8 is miles off all the other seasons.Season 5 for example is the first season where it takes a backward step but it's much much better than season 8 as it stuck to the Ten 1 hour episode (with maybe 1 extra long episode) formula which was working so well.

I haven't read the books but it seems like the first 4 seasons just follow George RR Martin's novels and then they have to start doing some work themselves for the remainder of the show so it looks now that the writers weren't really the reason for the success of the show it was George RR Martin combined with the brilliant production values and direction.

I think I'll read the books in a few years time (if the are ever finished), I kind of regreat not reading them now.

I wonder if this season might eventually be more appreciated in a few years time once it gets detached from the negative reaction it's gotten so far.

Sleepy · 22-05-2019 09:35AM

It's telling that the best two episodes of Season 8 (Episodes 1 and 2) were written by Dave Hill (Winterfell) and Bryan Cogman (A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms) whilst the last 4 were all written by Benioff & Weiss.

One can only wish that they'd been fired and Cogman asked to finish out the series. Even within the 6 episodes, I think he'd have managed a better job of it.

22-05-2019 10:25AM

Episodes 1-3 were sh1te too..it was just that it was still too cognitively dissonant for a lot of people to accept GOT had gone to sh1t..

TheIrishGrover · 22-05-2019 10:47AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Feel this season will stand up better for people who binge watch it straight after the others. No matter what they did with the last few seasons it was always going to seem rushed compared to the GRRM material, but by limiting the time lag between episodes and seasons it will allow character arcs and storylines to flow better and not seem as rushed as we found it watching along.

That, actually, is a very good observation. While I still believe that season 7 wasn't great (But not bad either) and season 8 was mainly down to pacing (Apart from the last episode which, to me, was very poor, toothless and unsatisfactory), for someone who has not read the books or seen the series, it will probably hold up a lot better.

They will notice a serious dip in risk-taking and change in tone but a binger will watch all 78 (79?) episodes in about 3 weeks. They won't be as invested in the series as someone who has waited 8 years to be disappointed or a bajillion plus years for the books to finish.

They will see it for what it is: escapist fun. And, come on folks, that's really what it was.

It has upped the ante on what you can do on a TV series. Action sequences in the last two seasons especially were like something out of a major movie. The battle between Jaime's wagon train and the Dothraki and Drogon last season would have been the main setpiece for a HUGE movie only a couple of years ago.

I don't think it is sustainable though. Bigger and more expensive does have its risks and may not always be rewarded. I am concerned about BBC/HBO's His Dark Materials adaptations. I LOVE the books and think they will do a good job. But I am worries that people will think it's another GoT, find out it isn't and then ratings will plummet and we will not get the last season and risky shows will be deemed too risky

22-05-2019 10:51AM

Ah it won't..I binge watched it all before this season.. very obvious drop in quality started season 6..7 was brutal too..

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