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Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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    #212
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    10pennymixup wrote: »
    Most of us what you are saying....... 10, 15 times ago. The PP sought by Intel is not for development on his land, but to say it has nothing to do with his land is incorrect.

    If I have to fight someone to stop them from taking my property, I fight them with everything. If they then seek PP on their own land, I will fight that too, if only to ensure they are not in a stronger position to try take my land the next time.

    And with every weapon too, from the important obs like entrance sight lines, to the ridiculous obs like the colour they want to paint the walls.

    then your a vexatious objector , costing hundreds of people thier potential jobs and the state billions in investments.

    your objections should be dismissed and your should be made libel for the cost of defending the case


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    #213
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    then your a vexatious objector , costing hundreds of people thier potential jobs and the state billions in investments.

    your objections should be dismissed and your should be made libel for the cost of defending the case

    A planning objection which is vexatious will be dealt with in short order by the planning authority.


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    #214
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    elperello wrote: »
    A planning objection which is vexatious will be dealt with in short order by the planning authority.
    Just to clarify, his objection makes reference to both an NHA and an SPA (designated under the EU Birds Directive).
    His points are legitimate even if people think that he is a crank!


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    #215
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Would Intel not just send someone down to him to give him 'the ride'.

    Cause that's all he's lacking.


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    #216
    10pennymixup
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭10pennymixup


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    then your a vexatious objector , costing hundreds of people thier potential jobs and the state billions in investments.

    your objections should be dismissed and your should be made libel for the cost of defending the case

    How do you decide what's vexatious? How do you prove malice in making an ob?

    Why would you want to take away the right of every citizen to make a PP ob, by holding the threat of fines or civil court costs over them?

    Any obs not worth the consideration of the planners can be deemed invalid by the planners, that's their job and decision. And all done within the time frame and protocol of the planning process, so I'm not exactly sure even where these "costs" are coming from.

    PS I was going to correct all the mistakes in your post, but refrained. It's easier to take a poster less seriously when you can see they haven't put any real effort into their post.


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    #217
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Seriously though. 'The ride'?


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    #218
    Seth Brundle
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    cursai wrote: »
    Seriously though. 'The ride'?
    Are you questioning your own adolescent suggestion?


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    #219
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you don't think the attempt by the IDA on behalf of Intel to CPO his land has anything to do with his objections?

    Countless farmers were CPO, d down the years, vast majority took the generous compensation and rebought elsewhere


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    #220
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Mad_maxx wrote:
    Countless farmers were CPO, d down the years, vast majority took the generous compensation and rebought elsewhere


    For the public good, not for a private company. Try again.


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    #221
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    For the public good, not for a private company. Try again.

    Major economic boost = public good.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

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    #222
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    greencap wrote:
    Major economic boost = public good.


    I suggest you educate yourself as to the propose of a CPO. CPO is not allowed for the benefit of a private company. Try again.;-)


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    #223
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    greencap wrote: »
    Major economic boost = public good.

    Reading about it there and it was the first CPO the IDA did since 1988 and even though it was blatantly obvious it was for Intel, the IDA couldn't even be honest enough to say that but instead stated they had no immediate use for the farm. No immediate use (going on what they said) does not equal needed so badly for the public good that it had to be CPOed. That's why he won and they lost.


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    #224
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I suggest you educate yourself as to the propose of a CPO. CPO is not allowed for the benefit of a private company. Try again.;-)

    Its like a Turkey being smug about Christmas.

    Hopefully Intel can re-design the facility, and still have the patience to go ahead with it.

    That way Intel can have its facility, people can have jobs, the area can grow, and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

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    #225
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    greencap wrote:
    That way Intel can have its facility, people can have jobs, the area can grow, and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.


    He's already well known, plus it's no harm letting big companies know they can't always have what they want.


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    #226
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    greencap wrote: »
    ...and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.
    From talking to people around the area (as I live in the area), most are aware of him and agree with him!


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    #227
    10pennymixup
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭10pennymixup


    greencap wrote: »
    .......................................................................................................................That way Intel can have its facility, people can have jobs, the area can grow, and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.

    He is well known, and his story good enough to be made into an award winning cinema released movie. Released internationally in several languages.

    And Worzel was the scarecrow, not the farmer. You should have known that Aunt Polly. greencap.



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    #228
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    dresden8 wrote: »
    Rich man says "Gimme".

    We are obliged to give.

    Nah, I don't think so.

    I work there and this will guarantee me and 1000s of others work for years to come. I'm certainly not rich.


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    #229
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Are you questioning your own adolescent suggestion?

    Lol. You so mature. You stink of cheddar and pipesmoke.


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    #230
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    10pennymixup wrote: »
    He is well known, and his story good enough to be made into an award winning cinema released movie. Released internationally in several languages.

    And Worzel was the scarecrow, not the farmer. You should have known that Aunt Polly. greencap.


    Great. Now he's Braveheart.

    No wonder the Irish diaspora is so big.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

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    #231
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Yet again the article refers to dogs worrying sheep. Says it all when you refer to others as 'loons'. Sense of entitlement? You don't really understand property rights do you?

    I understand that property rights don’t include ‘talking’ to people on public roads while carrying a firearm.


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    #232
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ardillaun wrote:
    I understand that property rights don’t include ‘talking’ to people on public roads while carrying a firearm.
    Have you a point at all, or another irrelevant article?


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    #233
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    bucketybuck wrote: »


    Wait, what about the whole "enormous effect on the economy and country as a whole" thing?

    Exactly - what about it?

    Do you think Intel has not benefited from their stint in Ireland?
    Why do you think they're here - some misty eyed sentimentality on the part of Gordon Moore to help out the old country?

    It's simply a commercial relationship, at the minute it's mutually beneficial and as soon as it isn't one side will tell the other to bounce on.

    Neither side is doing any favours, neither side owes the other anything. Intel get a damn better deal from Ireland than they'd get from France or Germany or any of our European "friends". Quite simply that is why they're here, anyone who can't see that needs an urgent trip to specsavers!

    We are not beholden - we shouldn't act like we are.
    greencap wrote: »
    No its not, thankfully.

    Just the same as if there was someone who owned a square meter in the path of the m50 they would have got some compensation and a wave off, I'm hoping this particular case gets the same treatment.

    A whole country shouldn't have to miss out over one gobshytes nostalgia for a random field.

    A whole country did not miss out - a single foreign company had to slightly re-jig their plans. Don't be so melodramatic!


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    #234
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Are you questioning your own adolescent suggestion?
    cursai wrote: »
    Lol. You so mature. You stink of cheddar and pipesmoke.

    Come on now both of you. Everyone knows that pipesmoke is a teenage thing nowadays.


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    #235
    ifElseThen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭ifElseThen


    Can they not CPO the bank of land to the north of the existing facility?

    https://www.google.com/maps/search/intel/@53.3761187,-6.5335796,656m/data=!3m1!1e3


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    #236
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    ifElseThen wrote: »
    Can they not CPO the bank of land to the north of the existing facility?

    https://www.google.com/maps/search/intel/@53.3761187,-6.5335796,656m/data=!3m1!1e3

    That's the Rye river valley, wouldn't be possible to build there as it's too hilly and would stop any connection to the land further North.

    There was a lot of land for sale to the South across the road, canal and railway track, surprised they did not go for it. Maybe it was too disconnected from the rest of the site but surely a bridge could have been built.


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    #237
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Have you a point at all, or another irrelevant article?

    I responded to your post.


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    #238
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Round One goes to Intel.

    No doubt Farmer Tom will be soon heading up to ABP on his turbo-charged 1957 Massey-Ferguson!


    https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/courts/council-gives-green-light-to-4bn-intel-plan-in-spite-of-farmers-objection-38129885.html


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    #239
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    The only thing I wonder bout the farmer though is he not seing because they're trying to sell him short or simply because hes stubborn because if they're trying to cheat him out of the value of his land Id say fair enough but if they are willing to buy out for a price above its value + costs for moving wouldnt it be easier to move instead?

    As for the other guy if hes being an objector troll or doing it to basically act the bollocks he should be ignored simply because his intentions are malicious.


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    #240
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Infini wrote: »
    The only thing I wonder bout the farmer though is he not seing because they're trying to sell him short or simply because hes stubborn because if they're trying to cheat him out of the value of his land Id say fair enough but if they are willing to buy out for a price above its value + costs for moving wouldnt it be easier to move instead?

    As for the other guy if hes being an objector troll or doing it to basically act the bollocks he should be ignored simply because his intentions are malicious.
    You are making the mistake that he os holding out for money or something. He's not!
    He may be eccentric but he's no fool and he is a farmer through and through who doesn't want to leave his land!


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    #241
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    State of him

    You'd think with all his millions he could cut that hair/wig and clean the **** off his jacket


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